Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, would you put a mark on the map where you were, where
you stationed yourself at about 11:05?
Mr. ARNETT. Let's see if we understand each other here on this. Is this
the office where they come out of the jail [indicating]?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes, it is.
Mr. ARNETT. And this comes out so far and then this is the ramp
[indicating]?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes, it is.
Mr. ARNETT. All right. I was right along in here then [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you put an A there, also?
Mr. ARNETT. Okay [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. And put a circle around that.
Mr. ARNETT. All right [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, would you mark the time that you think you first
arrived there?
Mr. ARNETT. I would say 11:05.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. How do you fix that time 11:05?
Mr. ARNETT. I believe I looked at my watch.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you write up a report on this on November 24?
Mr. ARNETT. Did I write it up?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. ARNETT. I made the statement.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you write a letter to Chief Curry?
Mr. ARNETT. Well, that's the letter [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you didn't mention in that letter anything about
11:05. Was the first time that you thought about 11:05 when you were
interviewed by the FBI agents on December 4?
Mr. ARNETT. You mean was that the first time I thought about it being
11:05 when I went there?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. ARNETT. Well, no; I wouldn't say it was the first time I thought
about it. It might have been that I didn't think about it when I was
writing that letter.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, captain, if you were to place the time that you
stationed yourself here, in terms of how much before--well, in terms
of the time that the armored car was in the ramp, did you place
yourself before or----
Mr. ARNETT. It was here before I went there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. This was after the armored car arrived?
Mr. ARNETT. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And how long before Lee Oswald was brought down?
Mr. ARNETT. After I placed myself over there?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. ARNETT. Well, around 15 minutes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know what time Oswald was brought down?
Mr. ARNETT. I know what time the ambulance was called.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What time was that?
Mr. ARNETT. 11:21.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you stationed yourself at that point, were the
floodlights from the TV cameras on?
Mr. ARNETT. Were they on?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. ARNETT. If I remember right, they had been on all the time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. They had been on all the time?
Mr. ARNETT. They wasn't alive all the time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You mean the cameras weren't alive?
Mr. ARNETT. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. At the time you searched the basement, were the
floodlights on from those TV cameras?
Mr. ARNETT. Well now, whether they were on or not, I don't know. I
believe the machine was lighted up. Now, whether that's what you
call----
Mr. GRIFFIN. No; I mean the floodlights.
Mr. ARNETT. Well, I am not going to say either way on that, because I
am not going to tell you anything I don't think is the truth.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you sure the floodlights were on when you stationed
yourself at the point that we have marked as point A at the bottom of
the ramp?
Mr. ARNETT. I would say lights were on. Now, whether they were
floodlights or not, I couldn't tell you. I don't know whether you say
just a light fitting there was a floodlight or the lights in the camera
or----
Mr. GRIFFIN. No; I am talking about the lights they use to illuminate
the picture they are going to take, throw out on the subject?
Mr. ARNETT. I will say the cameras had a light in them. I will say
that. Now, whether you call them floodlights or not, I don't know. Now,
they tell me that they can be on and not be taking pictures unless
there is a red light burning. Now, whether that's true or not, I don't
know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Over where these TV cameras are, were there
some lights placed in association with those cameras?
Mr. ARNETT. All I can remember of, and I am trying to tell you the
truth----
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. ARNETT. Is that the light was on in the camera. You know what I
mean, that [indicating] was burning.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I don't know if you have taken home movies or anything
like that, or just had your picture taken in a photographer's studio,
often they beam a lot of lights down?
Mr. ARNETT. I know what you are talking about there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there any lights like that over by these TV cameras?
Mr. ARNETT. I don't remember any like that, but they had to be for it
to be alive, I guess, but I don't remember them being on when this
happened.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Before Oswald came out you were where we put this A at the
bottom of the ramp, when you had occasion to look off into the garage
area, was it possible to distinguish objects, or distinguish people or
cars in there?
Mr. ARNETT. There was a car came out the ramp, after we got in line,
and went out the ramp on North Main, up the ramp, out on North Main. We
broke up----
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to ask you this simple question, as you looked
out over in there, could you see cars or people or anything over
behind those TV cameras; could you see anything beyond those TV cameras?
Mr. ARNETT. Well, I saw this car that was coming out. Now, that was
before Lee Oswald was brought down.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But did you see that car before it came out of the garage?
Mr. ARNETT. I saw it coming out of the ramp.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Now, did you see it before it came to the ramp?
Mr. ARNETT. I don't believe I did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. So do you have any recollection as to whether
you could see objects in that area?
Mr. ARNETT. No, sir; I don't, I sure don't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you watched that car come out of the garage?
Mr. ARNETT. Uh huh.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, where did you watch it go?
Mr. ARNETT. It went out the Main Street entrance, up the ramp.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you see it get to the top of the ramp?
Mr. ARNETT. I didn't look at it as it entered the top of the ramp. We
were getting back into position, but we did have to break up, because
we were all the way across the ramp, and we had to break up for it to
go out, but you know how you would do, you would back up against the
wall or something out of the way, for it to go by.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you say you had to break up. Was there a line formed
across there before the car came out?
Mr. ARNETT. Well, we were standing just, you know, side of one another
all the way across there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that Sam Pierce's car?
Mr. ARNETT. They say it was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. They say it was. Do you remember how many people were in
that car?
Mr. ARNETT. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Was this the last car that came out of the garage before
Lee Oswald was shot?
Mr. ARNETT. There was one come out and backed up in position.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; but was that the last one that went up the Main
Street ramp?
Mr. ARNETT. I said there was two cars to start with, and some of them
said there wasn't but one, and I said I guess there was just one, but
I thought at that time I remembered two cars going out, but I am not
going to swear that there were, because I could be wrong about that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I know that, but I want to know just what you remember
and whatever your recollection is. Then we will try to see how good it
really is. But what do you think you saw when this car--you say you
think you saw two cars go up the ramp?
Mr. ARNETT. I think so. That's my honest opinion about it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That's what I want. Now, when you saw that first car go up
the ramp, how long would you say after the first car went up did the
second car go up?
Mr. ARNETT. Well, it wasn't very long.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Now, did you watch that first car go up the
ramp?
Mr. ARNETT. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, as you were standing here where we have marked the A
and as you looked over toward the armored car, did you have occasion to
look over at that armored car?
Mr. ARNETT. It was straight in front of me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That was up near the top of the Commerce Street ramp,
wasn't it?
Mr. ARNETT. Yes, sir; or just inside. I don't believe it was all the
way under the shed.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see Chief Batchelor up there?
Mr. ARNETT. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see Captain Butler up there?
Mr. ARNETT. Captain Butler?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. ARNETT. I don't remember Captain Butler.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Sergeant Dean, did you see him up in that area?
Mr. ARNETT. Sergeant Dean. I believe I did. There was a bottle fell out
of it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you see the bottle fall out?
Mr. ARNETT. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Could you actually see the bottle from where you were
standing?
Mr. ARNETT. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you had occasion to look up the Main Street
ramp----
Mr. ARNETT. Well now, my back was to the Main Street ramp.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Not the entire time; there were times when you looked up
that ramp too, wasn't there? You were down there for quite awhile?
Mr. ARNETT. Well, I don't remember just, you know, turning around and
looking back up that way.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember whether or not there was an officer
stationed up there?
Mr. ARNETT. Yes, sir; there was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever see him up there?
Mr. ARNETT. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Did you know who he was?
Mr. ARNETT. No, sir; he was a regular officer, though.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you know that?
Mr. ARNETT. Well, a regular officer patrolman has a green patch on his
shoulder up here. A reserve officer has a white patch; a radio accident
investigator has a red patch. I believe traffic wears a brown. He was a
regular patrolman.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you see him before he got up to the top of that
ramp?
Mr. ARNETT. Did I see him before he got up there?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. ARNETT. You mean did I see him going up there? Now, I may have seen
him in the basement, before he was sent up there. I don't know about
that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you have remembered him, though; do you remember
seeing him in the basement before he was sent up?
Mr. ARNETT. Not that I recall; no sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember seeing him walk up the ramp?
Mr. ARNETT. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So from where you were standing, I take it you could see
the green patch on his----
Mr. ARNETT. Uh-huh.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Coat. And you wear glasses, don't you?
Mr. ARNETT. Not all the time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you wearing glasses that time?
Mr. ARNETT. No, sir; I use them mostly to read with or some work like
this [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, is your eyesight without glasses 20-20?
Mr. ARNETT. No, sir; if they was I wouldn't be wearing glasses.