When the shooting took place, the officers on the Main Street ramp,
this one up here----
Mr. HUBERT. That would be Mr. Vaughn?
Mr. STEVENSON. I don't know that he was one that pulled his gun, but
there were several reserve officers and other officers down in here.
Mr. HUBERT. That is on the Main Street ramp?
Mr. STEVENSON. I was told by, I believe it was, Captain Jones, that the
officers up there had their guns out. And I stepped back out of the
jail office after seeing that Ruby and Oswald had been taken care of.
The north ramp was quiet, but the officers were having difficulty with
people.
Mr. HUBERT. On the Commerce Street ramp?
Mr. STEVENSON. At the top of the Commerce Street ramp, or near the top.
I stepped back up here and told those officers that the man that did
the shooting was in custody and there was no more trouble. Ruby was
taken upstairs and the ambulance picked up Oswald.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you go up with Ruby yourself?
Mr. STEVENSON. No; Captain King, Detective Archer, and I believe
McMillon went up with Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. HUBERT. You mean with Ruby?
Mr. STEVENSON. I mean with Ruby, pardon me. With Ruby up to the jail
office.
Captain King advised me when I came back down that they had stripped
Ruby of his clothing, searched him to see that he had nothing on him
with which he could harm himself or harm anyone else, and in about, oh,
I would say possibly 10 minutes after he was taken upstairs, Secret
Service Agent Forrest Sorrels did go up and talk with him, and Sergeant
Dean, I believe it was, took him up there.
Now this was told to me by Sergeant Dean, that Mr. Sorrels did request
to go up and talk to him, and he did take him up there.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you observe Ruby before he was stripped of his clothing?
Mr. STEVENSON. Yes; I observed him in the jail office after he had been
picked up, after he had shot Oswald.
He had been picked up from just outside the jail office door near the
ramp and was taken into the jail office, and he was standing in the
jail office with the detectives holding him, when I walked in there.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you observe any kind of press pass on his person?
Mr. STEVENSON. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know Ruby prior to that time?
Mr. STEVENSON. No, sir; I had never seen him before, as far as I know.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you seen him in the crowd?
Mr. STEVENSON. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Ruby say anything in your presence that you yourself
heard?
Mr. STEVENSON. Not that I heard myself.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you give any orders concerning the search of Ruby's
automobile?
Mr. STEVENSON. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. HUBERT. Will you tell us what they were, please?
Mr. STEVENSON. I don't recall who contacted me or called me and told
me where his car was on the parking station near the Western Union,
advising me that he had a dog in the car, a dog of some kind.
I contacted my Automobile Theft Bureau, which handles and is
responsible for all impounded cars, and asked Lieutenant Smart to go up
and get the car.
He took someone with him, I don't recall who, to impound the
automobile, search it, and take everything out of it that he could find.
Mr. HUBERT. Now you did not get your information about the location of
the car from Ruby himself?
Mr. STEVENSON. No, sir; I did not.
Mr. HUBERT. And you think you got it from someone whose name you don't
know or now remember?
Mr. STEVENSON. I don't recall who it was. It is possible someone who
had talked to Ruby, but now I can't say about that because I just
don't recall who it was that advised me that his car was up there at
the Western Union, but I did receive the information and directed
Lieutenant Smart to get the car and search it thoroughly, impound it,
and have the pound take the dog.
Mr. HUBERT. So that when you did get the information about Ruby's car,
you also got the information that there was a dog in it?
Mr. STEVENSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know who was assigned to control traffic at the
corner of Main and Pearl? That is, by the Western Union Office?
Mr. STEVENSON. No, sir; I don't.
Mr. HUBERT. Or Main and Harwood?
Mr. STEVENSON. No, sir; I don't.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you have made a statement, I think, to the FBI, have
you not, sir?
Mr. STEVENSON. Yes; I was interviewed by the FBI.
Mr. HUBERT. I will hand you a document that I am going to mark now for
identification as follows: Dallas, Tex., March 23, 1964, an Exhibit
5051, Deposition of Chief M. W. Stevenson. I am signing my name, and I
would like you to read it, sir.