Lieutenant REVILL. What upset him----

Mr. HUBERT. Did he say any other things?

Lieutenant REVILL. What upset him was that I was involved in this

thing. When I walked in he said something to the effect, "Well,

the Intelligence people are involved in it now. They think I am a

Communist." I don't know what gave him that idea, but I have known

Jack Ruby since 1953. I have never been a friend with him. I knew him

enough to talk to him. Lieutenant Cornwall took the position of being

his friend, and I was the foe, and that is the way we conducted our

interview. We were unable to get any information from him.

Mr. HUBERT. But the mention of Harrison, apparently is the thing that

set----

Lieutenant REVILL. Set him off, and I have never been satisfied,

personally, with Harrison's statement. Of course, this is my personal

opinion.

Mr. HUBERT. I think that kind of answers the other question.

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; it does. They were reluctant--I say, "They,"

the other members of the committee were reluctant to have him submitted

to a polygraph examination, but I thought that this was one way of

determining if he was truthful or not.

Mr. HUBERT. It was as a result of your insistence that he was put under

one?

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. All right, perhaps we can go to the second interview. On

what date was that?

Lieutenant REVILL. This would have occurred on the 3d of December.

Mr. HUBERT. Tuesday?

Lieutenant REVILL. On a Tuesday, yes, sir. The afternoon of December 3.

What we had been attempting to do was to put Jack Ruby on a polygraph

machine, and his lawyer, Tom Howard, had been approached during the

first interview as to doing this. He stated that there were other

lawyers coming into the case and that he would have to have their

permission before agreeing to let Jack take this examination.

On Monday we communicated with Tom by telephone and he kept hedging

with us, and telling us he had not heard from the other lawyers. By

"Tom," I mean Tom Howard, the lawyer. On Tuesday, we discussed it again

with him and he stated that he was still trying to work this thing out.

So, Cornwall and I again decided--that we would go directly to Jack

Ruby. He was the person involved, and we would give him the opportunity

to submit to the examination. If he wanted to, fine. If he doesn't want

to then it's also fine. So, we went to Jack on the 2d--on the 3d of

December and gave him the opportunity to take the polygraph.

Mr. HUBERT. That is to say, you asked him?

Lieutenant REVILL. Asked him, yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Was his lawyer present then?

Lieutenant REVILL. Not in the beginning. We later called Tom Howard to

the interview so that he could be present, and they refused to have

Jack submitted.

Mr. HUBERT. At first when you asked Jack about going on the polygraph

machine prior to Tom Howard's being present, what did he say?

Lieutenant REVILL. He said--during the second interview he said that

his lawyer would have to----

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