Mr. HUBERT. That this reserve officer told him?
Lieutenant REVILL. That he had seen Ruby in the basement of the city
hall, and that Ruby had presented press credentials to someone in the
basement of the city hall. We were never able to locate this reserve
officer.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Holly tell you that a reserve officer, possibly the
same one, possibly another, had told him that he had seen Ruby coming
down the ramp, Main Street ramp, and just about a minute before the
shooting?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; Holly did not say that to me. I found a
reserve officer who was present in the basement of the city hall who
saw some individual coming down the ramp, the Main Street ramp.
He could not identify this person as being Ruby. As you said,
approximately a minute or minute and a half after the shooting--I mean,
prior to the shooting. Have you got a----
Mr. HUBERT. I don't want to suggest anything to you, but to assist you,
tell me if you don't recognize the name, Officer Newman?
Lieutenant REVILL. I believe that it is Newman. I can show you. You--he
was assigned----
Mr. HUBERT. Did you interview Newman?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; I did.
Mr. HUBERT. Newman said that he had not recognized Jack Ruby?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; he did not recognize the man coming down the
ramp, and the distance involved, I can readily see why he could not
identify him.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Newman mention to you in your interview that as a
matter of fact, there were two people he saw in the basement area. One,
a man coming down the ramp about a minute before the shooting, and
another person who jumped the rail down there from the parking area
into the ramp on the Main Street side, but that he could not identify
either?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And that, as to the man jumping the rail he didn't know
whether it was before the shooting or after.
Lieutenant REVILL. The man that he is making reference to jumping over
the rail was an electrician, and this was prior to the shooting.
Mr. HUBERT. Was this Chabot? [Spelling] C-h-a-b-o-t?
Lieutenant REVILL. Tommy Chabot, I believe he is a mechanic.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he, Newman, identify him as such?
Lieutenant REVILL. Newman did not identify him as such, nor did he
identify the man running down the ramp.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, I can understand then that when he saw the man
running down the ramp he did not know who that was, but did he tell
you later he identified that man as being Ruby by comparing him to the
pictures?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; he did not.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, when Holly was asked to pick out the reserve officer
who had told him what you said he did in the hospital, was Captain
Solomon present?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; Solomon was present and had brought these
photographs to special services bureau, and he was unable to identify
any of these people.
Mr. HUBERT. He didn't pick out any picture at all?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. You know, of your own knowledge, whether or not Solomon had
another interview with this man?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; I do not.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever heard that Holly actually did pick out a
picture in an interview with Solomon and state that he thought that was
the reserve officer who had spoken to him. Now, apparently that didn't
happen when you were present?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; I don't recall this happening in my
presence. I do recall, I believe, Holly thinking that a specific
officer was the individual that--we interviewed this officer and he was
not the one, and I couldn't tell you his name, because we talked to so
many of them.
Mr. HUBERT. Then Holly did say that he thought that this might be the
individual, and he picked out then a particular picture?
Lieutenant REVILL. As I recall, he picked out a picture, and as it
turned out, the man that he picked out wasn't even present at the
basement of the city hall. He had been fishing, was on a fishing
trip, and I talked to this reserve officer, I couldn't tell you his
name. There were two of them that came from Arlington directly to the
hospital.
Mr. HUBERT. But, in any case, it wasn't Newman?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; he was not.
Mr. HUBERT. Newman is a reserve officer?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. So, the picture Holly picked out as being possibly the
man who told him about seeing someone coming through with a pass or
something like that sort was not Newman?
Lieutenant REVILL. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. That reserve officer was interviewed?
Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir; he was interviewed and the report is in
here, if I could find it.
Mr. HUBERT. And your recollection of the interview was that he wasn't
even in the place at all?
Lieutenant REVILL. He had been fishing.
Mr. HUBERT. You have no recollection at all of Holly picking out
Newman's picture?
Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; he did not pick out Newman's picture.