Lieutenant REVILL. Holly----

Mr. HUBERT. That this reserve officer told him?

Lieutenant REVILL. That he had seen Ruby in the basement of the city

hall, and that Ruby had presented press credentials to someone in the

basement of the city hall. We were never able to locate this reserve

officer.

Mr. HUBERT. Did Holly tell you that a reserve officer, possibly the

same one, possibly another, had told him that he had seen Ruby coming

down the ramp, Main Street ramp, and just about a minute before the

shooting?

Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; Holly did not say that to me. I found a

reserve officer who was present in the basement of the city hall who

saw some individual coming down the ramp, the Main Street ramp.

He could not identify this person as being Ruby. As you said,

approximately a minute or minute and a half after the shooting--I mean,

prior to the shooting. Have you got a----

Mr. HUBERT. I don't want to suggest anything to you, but to assist you,

tell me if you don't recognize the name, Officer Newman?

Lieutenant REVILL. I believe that it is Newman. I can show you. You--he

was assigned----

Mr. HUBERT. Did you interview Newman?

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; I did.

Mr. HUBERT. Newman said that he had not recognized Jack Ruby?

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; he did not recognize the man coming down the

ramp, and the distance involved, I can readily see why he could not

identify him.

Mr. HUBERT. Did Newman mention to you in your interview that as a

matter of fact, there were two people he saw in the basement area. One,

a man coming down the ramp about a minute before the shooting, and

another person who jumped the rail down there from the parking area

into the ramp on the Main Street side, but that he could not identify

either?

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. And that, as to the man jumping the rail he didn't know

whether it was before the shooting or after.

Lieutenant REVILL. The man that he is making reference to jumping over

the rail was an electrician, and this was prior to the shooting.

Mr. HUBERT. Was this Chabot? [Spelling] C-h-a-b-o-t?

Lieutenant REVILL. Tommy Chabot, I believe he is a mechanic.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he, Newman, identify him as such?

Lieutenant REVILL. Newman did not identify him as such, nor did he

identify the man running down the ramp.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, I can understand then that when he saw the man

running down the ramp he did not know who that was, but did he tell

you later he identified that man as being Ruby by comparing him to the

pictures?

Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; he did not.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, when Holly was asked to pick out the reserve officer

who had told him what you said he did in the hospital, was Captain

Solomon present?

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes; Solomon was present and had brought these

photographs to special services bureau, and he was unable to identify

any of these people.

Mr. HUBERT. He didn't pick out any picture at all?

Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. You know, of your own knowledge, whether or not Solomon had

another interview with this man?

Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; I do not.

Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever heard that Holly actually did pick out a

picture in an interview with Solomon and state that he thought that was

the reserve officer who had spoken to him. Now, apparently that didn't

happen when you were present?

Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; I don't recall this happening in my

presence. I do recall, I believe, Holly thinking that a specific

officer was the individual that--we interviewed this officer and he was

not the one, and I couldn't tell you his name, because we talked to so

many of them.

Mr. HUBERT. Then Holly did say that he thought that this might be the

individual, and he picked out then a particular picture?

Lieutenant REVILL. As I recall, he picked out a picture, and as it

turned out, the man that he picked out wasn't even present at the

basement of the city hall. He had been fishing, was on a fishing

trip, and I talked to this reserve officer, I couldn't tell you his

name. There were two of them that came from Arlington directly to the

hospital.

Mr. HUBERT. But, in any case, it wasn't Newman?

Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; he was not.

Mr. HUBERT. Newman is a reserve officer?

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. So, the picture Holly picked out as being possibly the

man who told him about seeing someone coming through with a pass or

something like that sort was not Newman?

Lieutenant REVILL. Right.

Mr. HUBERT. That reserve officer was interviewed?

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir; he was interviewed and the report is in

here, if I could find it.

Mr. HUBERT. And your recollection of the interview was that he wasn't

even in the place at all?

Lieutenant REVILL. He had been fishing.

Mr. HUBERT. You have no recollection at all of Holly picking out

Newman's picture?

Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; he did not pick out Newman's picture.

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