Mr. HUBERT. Rode to the third floor----

Lieutenant REVILL. Now, he says this.

Mr. HUBERT. Oh, he says this.

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, for the past 7 weeks I have been assigned to

the district attorney's office, the prosecution of Ruby, running down

leads and interviewing witnesses and this preacher was one of the

people that we located, and he related this story to me, that he rode

up on the elevator with Jack Ruby on the morning of November 24. Mr.

Wade did not use this man. He didn't need the testimony, because he had

placed Ruby there the morning of the shooting.

Mr. HUBERT. In other words, Rushing says that he rode up with Ruby on

the morning of the 24th, prior to the shooting?

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. What was his name?

Lieutenant REVILL. Ray Rushing.

Mr. HUBERT. You don't know how we could reach him?

Lieutenant REVILL. No; he lives in Richardson, Tex.--correction,

please--Plano, Tex.

Mr. HUBERT. How do you spell that?

Lieutenant REVILL. P-l-a-n-o, north of Richardson, and at this time he

does not have a phone.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you make a report on the interview with him?

Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; I did not. This was an interview conducted

by the--at the district attorney's office in the presence of Assistant

District Attorney Alexander.

Mr. HUBERT. Did Rushing say what time that was?

Lieutenant REVILL. 9:30. He was sure of the time, because he had let

his wife and family out at the First Baptist Church, and traveled

directly to the city hall.

Mr. HUBERT. Was he sure it was Sunday the 24th?

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, sir; he had gone there to speak to Oswald.

Mr. HUBERT. How did he recognize Ruby? Did he say?

Lieutenant REVILL. He said he recognized him from the newspaper article

that appeared that day, and later days.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he say whether he had any conversation with him?

Lieutenant REVILL. He talked about the weather. I asked him.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he say whether he was--whether he saw Ruby there

afterwards?

Lieutenant REVILL. He said he turned to the right and--went up to

the third floor and after arriving on the third floor, he turned to

the right and went to the administrative office and talked to Chief

Assistant Batchelor.

Mr. HUBERT. But, anyhow, after you interviewed this man Rushing, you

turned over the information concerning your interview to Assistant

District Attorney Alexander?

Lieutenant REVILL. What I did is, I interviewed Mr. Rushing one night

and asked him if he could come to the district attorney's office and

relate this to Mr. Wade. Possibility that the district attorney might

use him as a witness, and Alexander was of the opinion that the man

might be mistaken. That he saw this as a means of getting publicity. Of

course, I disagree with that thinking. I think that the man is truthful

in that he is reporting what he thinks he saw.

Mr. HUBERT. When you interviewed him did he give you what you

considered a fairly accurate description of Ruby?

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes. Of course, so many photographs had appeared in

the newspapers and it would be easy for someone to----

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you interview him?

Lieutenant REVILL. At the district attorney's office.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he give you a specific address in Plano?

Lieutenant REVILL. It is out in the country. It is a box number. I

can't----

Mr. HUBERT. What is he? A Baptist minister?

Lieutenant REVILL. He is, yes; I guess he would be. He attends the

First Baptist Church. He is one of these Evangelist--that his calling

is to dry up the liquor industry, throughout the nation, so they tell

me.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he state to you what his purpose was in seeing Oswald?

Lieutenant REVILL. Yes, he felt that Oswald needed spiritual guidance

at that time. He was in trouble and he felt like he could possibly help

him.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he say whether he got to see Oswald?

Lieutenant REVILL. He did not get to see him.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he say how he got into this building?

Lieutenant REVILL. He walked into the building.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he have any difficulty getting in?

Lieutenant REVILL. Not at that time, no.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he state whether he was stopped and asked for

identification by anyone?

Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; I don't believe he was. At that time, of

course, I don't know for sure--I don't know that they were--had the

building secured.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, as to the second thing that Mayo told you. To wit,

about Ruby's roommate who may or may not be Senator, you do recall that

he said that, but you don't know why it was left out of the----

Lieutenant REVILL. It was an oversight. It seems as though I do recall

him telling me something about that, and that he referred this man to

Lieutenant Gilmore, who was assigned to the special service section.

Mr. HUBERT. The third thing, that man and wife from Springfield, Ill.,

you have no recollection of that?

Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; no recollection whatsoever.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall interviewing Pat Dean?

Lieutenant REVILL. Sergeant Dean? No, sir; I did not interview Sergeant

Dean.

Mr. HUBERT. Or Archer?

Lieutenant REVILL. No, sir; these interviews were conducted by

Lieutenant McCaghren and Wallace. Now, Dean, being a uniformed officer,

he might have been interviewed by Captain Westbrook.

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