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Mr. Mayhew, in opening the proceedings, said:--“The object of this

meeting is threefold. In the first place, I wish society to know more

about you as a distinct class; secondly, I wish the world to understand

the working of the ticket-of-leave system; and, thirdly, I want to

induce society to exert itself to assist you, and extricate you from

your difficulties. When I first went among you, it was not very easy

for me to make you comprehend the purpose I had in view. You at first

fancied that I was a Government spy, or a person in some way connected

with the police. I am none of these, nor am I a clergyman wishing

to convert you to his particular creed, nor a teetotaler anxious to

prove the source of all evil to be over-indulgence in intoxicating

drink; but I am simply a literary man, desirous of letting the rich

know something more about the poor. (Applause.) Some persons study

the stars, others study the animal kingdom, others again direct their

researches into the properties of stones, devoting their whole lives

to these particular vocations. I am the first who has endeavoured to

study a class of my fellow-creatures whom Providence has not placed

in so fortunate a position as myself, my desire being to bring the

extremes of society together--the poor to the rich, and the rich to

the poor. (Applause.) I wish to get bodies of men together in a mass,

their influence by that means being more sensibly felt than if they

remain isolated. I know you, perhaps, nearly as well as many of you

know yourselves. I have had many of you in my house with my wife and

children, and to your honour and credit be it said, you never wronged

me of the smallest article, and, moreover, I never heard a coarse word

escape your lips. I have trusted many of you who have been long tried

by want of food. I have given you money to get change for me, and you

never yet took advantage of me. This shows that there is still a spark

of good in each of you. That spark I wish Society to develope, that

you may be made what all must really desire to see you. Some two or

three Sundays ago I was at Pentonville prison during Divine service.

Society believes you to be hardened in heart and unimpressionable.

Well, I saw some four hundred prisoners there weeping like children

at the melting tale which the clergyman told. He spoke of the burial

of a girl by torchlight, at which he officiated, explaining that the

reason why the funeral took place so late was that the father

of the deceased had to come about fifty miles to be present, and

thence the delay. The old man’s tears, he said, fell like rain on the

coffin-lid; and yet, in his anguish, the bereaved parent exclaimed

that he preferred to see his daughter a corpse than for her to live

a life of infamy in the streets. (Sensation.) This sad story could

not fail to touch a chord in each of your breasts. But to come to the

ticket-of-leave system. The public generally believe that it is a most

dangerous thing to set you free under that system. I know this is one

of the most important experiments in connexion with the reformation

of offenders that has ever been tried, and it has worked better than

any other of which I have had experience. In 1853, the old mode of

transportation was changed, and an Act passed directing that no person

should be sentenced to transportation except for fourteen years or

upwards, and that thenceforward sentence of penal servitude should

be substituted for transportation for less than fourteen years. At

the same time, a discretionary power was given to commute sentences

of transportation into terms of penal servitude. Then, for the first

time, was it ordained that it should be lawful for her Majesty, under

the seal of her secretary of state, to grant any convict, now or

hereafter sentenced to transportation, or to the punishment substituted

for it, a license to be at large in the United Kingdom, or such part

thereof as is expressed in the license, during a portion of his term

of imprisonment. The holder of this license is not to be imprisoned

by reason of his previous sentence; but if his license is revoked,

he is to be apprehended and re-committed. Since the passing of that

Act, and between September 1853 and December 31, 1855--a period of

about two years and a quarter--the number of convicts released from

public works and prisons has been 3880. To this number have to be

added juveniles from Parkhurst prison, 297; and convicts from Bermuda

and Gibraltar, 435: making a total of 4612. Of this aggregate, 140

have had their licenses revoked, and 118 have been sentenced to penal

servitude and imprisonment; making together 258 who have had their

licenses cancelled out of the entire 4612. Out of this 258, 27 were

committed for breach of the vagrancy law, 20 for ordinary assaults,

8 for assaults on the police, 6 for breach of the game-laws, 2 for

desertion from the militia, and 20 for misdemeanour; making together

84, and leaving 174 as the exact number who have relapsed into their

former course of life. Thus it appears that only five and a-half per

cent of the whole number of tickets-of-leave granted have been revoked.

Now, considering that the number of re-committals to prison for England

and Wales averages thirty-three in every hundred prisoners; this, I

think, is a very favourable result of the ticket-of-leave experiment.

Looking at the extreme difficulty of a return to an honest life, it

is almost astonishing that so low a per-centage as five and a half of

the licenses in all England should have been revoked. You know that,

during your imprisonment, there are four stages of probation. In

certain prisons you have to do a prescribed amount of work, for which

you receive a certain gratuity. The shoemakers, for instance, get 4_d._

every week if they make two and a-half pairs, 6_d._ for three pairs,

and 8_d._ for four pairs. The tailors get 4_d._ if they make two suits

of prison garments, 6_d._ for three suits, and 8_d._ for four. The

matmakers get 4_d._ for thirty-six square feet of their work, 6_d._ for

forty-five feet, and 8_d._ for fifty-four. The cotton-weavers get 4_d._

for twenty-four yards, 6_d._ for thirty, and 8_d._ for thirty-six. The

cloth-weavers are paid in a similar manner. These sums are entered

to your credit, and pass with you from prison to prison until they

at last accumulate into an amount, which is handed over to you under

certain restrictions on leaving. In the second stage of probation,

you receive 6_d._ in addition to the ordinary weekly gratuity; in the

third stage you receive an addition of 9_d._; and in the fourth stage

one of 1_s._ or 1_s._ 3_d._ This sum--large or small, according to the

term of imprisonment--is placed to your credit on quitting the prison,

and is thus distributed:--5_l._ to be paid immediately on discharge,

or by post-office order on the convict’s arrival at his native place.

If the sum is over 5_l._ and under 8_l._ he receives 4_l._ on his

discharge, and the balance at the end of two months; if over 8_l._ and

under 12_l._, half is paid on his discharge and the balance at the end

of three months; if over 12_l._ and under 20_l._, 5_l._ is paid on his

discharge, half the balance in two months, and the remainder in three

months. In order, however, to obtain this balance, it is necessary

for you to be provided with certificates as to character, either from

a clergyman, a magistrate, or the employer with whom the holder of

the license is then at work. The applicants for these balances have

been 1242 in number up to the 31st December last. Of these, 1225 have

sent in certificates of a satisfactory nature, only 17 having been

sent in of a contrary character--851 certificates were furnished by

clergymen, 214 by magistrates, and 177 by employers under whom the

persons liberated were engaged. In the 1225 cases above-mentioned,

after the expiration of the prescribed number of months, the money was

paid to the applicants. Considering the difficulty these persons must

experience in obtaining the certificates required of them, the figures

I have stated are highly satisfactory as to the working of the system;

and I cannot, therefore, understand how society should have gone so

far astray on this point as it has done. The public, however, believe

ticket-of-leave men to be very dangerous characters--it does not know

the training they undergo while in prison. A high authority tells me,

that it is impossible for a gentleman’s son to be trained with greater

care at Eton or at any of the other public schools than each of you

have been. When, however, Society sees two or three, or even some

half-dozen of you relapse into your former practices, they jump to the

conclusion that the same is the case with you all. They, in fact, think

that relapses are the rule and amendment the exception, instead of the

fact being quite the other way. This is like the self-delusion of the

London apprentices, who fancy there are more wet Sundays in a year

than rainy week-days, simply because they want to get out on Sundays,

and are particularly vexed when the bad weather keeps them at home.

(Laughter.) Now I have tried many experiments at the reformation of

criminals, and one-half of them have failed. Yet I am not discouraged;

for I know how difficult it is for men to lay aside their past habits.

Every allowance ought, therefore, to be made, because they cannot be

expected to become angels in a moment. The vice of the present system,

in fact, is, that unless a criminal suddenly becomes a pattern man, and

at once forgets all his old associates, Society will have none of you,

and, as a certain gentleman has expressed it, ‘you must all be shot

down, and thrown into Society’s dust-bin.’ (Applause.) A well-known

literary gentleman, who had moved in good society, had a daughter, with

whom he lived at the east end of London. He was rather lax, perhaps, in

the rearing of his child, allowing her to do pretty much as she liked.

She once went to a concert, and got acquainted with a ‘mobsman,’ who

accompanied her home, and at last introduced himself to her father

as his daughter’s suitor. Being a well-dressed, respectable-looking

person, the father--good, easy man!--took a liking for him, and not

being particular in his inquiries as to the lover’s course of life,

allowed them to marry. After their marriage, however, the daughter

discovered what her husband’s pursuits really were. She, of course,

acquainted her father with the fact, who, in great distress of mind,

called his son-in-law to him, and telling him that he had never had a

stain upon his name or character, implored him by every argument he

could urge to lead an honest life. The mobsman promised to comply.

His father-in-law removed him from the neighbourhood in which he was

staying, and placed him in the service of a large railway carrier. In

this employ, having one day to take a parcel to a gentleman’s house,

up-stairs on the mantelpiece he saw a gold watch. This temptation was

too much for him, and he seized the article and put it into his pocket.

The theft was discovered before the offender had gone any distance;

the man was soon arrested, but the father, by dint of great exertion,

got him off, on returning the watch and communicating with its owner

before the complaint was made at the police-office. The father again

entreated his son-in-law to abandon his evil courses, but the latter

said his old associations were too strong for him, and that he saw no

other resource open for him than to leave London altogether. The old

man accordingly took him with him to a residence on the banks of the

Thames, where, at length, some of his old companions unfortunately met

him, and told him of a ‘crib’ they were going to ‘crack,’ and of the

heavy ‘swag’ they were likely to get. The prodigal’s old habits were

again too much for him. He accompanied his former associates in their

criminal enterprise, was captured, and thrown again into prison--his

father-in-law died in a mad-house, and his wife committed suicide. Thus

fearful, then, are the effects of criminal associations, and therefore

I am only surprised that so small a per-centage of the ticket-of-leave

men have yielded to a relapse. Successful, however, as the system has

thus far proved, I yet see a considerable amount of evil in connexion

with it; and this is the reason why I have called you together, hoping

that some of the tales you have to relate will serve to rouse the

public to a sense of your real position, and induce them to stretch

forth a hand to save you from the ruin that on every hand threatens

you. When you come out of prison, destitute as you are of character,

there are only two or three kinds of employment open to you, and I

therefore wish Society to institute some association to watch over

you, to give you every possible advice, to lead you to good courses,

and, moreover, to provide you with the means of getting some honest

livelihood. (Applause.) I know that as a class you are distinguished

mainly by your love of a roving life, and that at the bottom of all

your criminal practices lies your indisposition to follow any settled

occupation. Continuous employment of a monotonous nature is so irksome

to you, that immediately you engage in it you long to break away from

it. This, I believe, after long observation of your character, to be

true of the majority of you; and you are able to judge if I am right

in this conclusion. Society, however, expects, that if you wish to

better yourselves, you will at once settle down as steadily as it

does, and immediately conform to all its notions; but I am satisfied

that if anything effectual is to be done in the way of reforming you,

Society must work in consonance and not in antagonism with your nature.

In this connexion it appears to me that the great outlet for you is

street-trading, where you are allowed to roam at will unchafed by

restraints not congenial to your habits and feelings. In such pursuits

a small fund for stock-money suffices, and besides, no character is

required for those who engage in them. From the inquiries made by a

gentleman who lately visited the places in which most of you live,

I find that the great majority of you follow some form or other of

street occupation. Still there is this difficulty in your way. The

public requires its thoroughfares to be kept clear of obstruction,

and I know that the police have been ordered to drive you away--to

make you, as the phrase is, ‘move on.’ You may fancy that the police

act thus of their own accord; but I learn from communication with the

Commissioners, that the police have to receive requisitions from the

shopkeepers and other inhabitants to enforce the Street Act, and are

compelled to comply with them. In one instance a tradesman living in a

street-market, where about five hundred poor persons were obtaining a

livelihood, complained to the police of the obstruction thus occasioned

to his business, which was of a ‘fashionable’ nature. The consequence

was that the thoroughfare had to be cleared, and these five hundred

persons were reduced almost to a state of starvation, and many of them

were forced into the workhouse. Now I don’t believe that this is right;

and I am prepared to say to Society, that no one man in the kingdom

should have the power to deprive so large a body of poor persons of all

means of gaining an honest subsistence. (Loud applause.) At the same

time, certain regulations must be respected; the streets even, you will

allow, must not be blocked--(hear, hear)--there must be a free passage,

and it is necessary to consider whether a plan may not be devised which

will answer both ends. It strikes me that a certain number of poor

men’s markets might be established very advantageously; for the poor

are so linked together that they would rather buy of the poor than the

rich; and it is much to their credit that it is so. If spots of ground

for markets of this kind were bought by benevolent individuals, and

a small toll levied on admission to them, I am sure the speculation

would be profitable to those who embarked in it, as well as beneficial

to the interests--moral as well as pecuniary--of the street traders.

Connected with these establishments there ought to be a school for

the children of the traders, a bank for preserving your money, a

cook-shop to prevent you from being obliged to take your meals at the

public-house, together with many other useful adjuncts which might be

grouped round the market. Such experiments have been tried before now.

There is the old Rag-fair at Houndsditch, where formerly old clothes

were sold in the streets. In that case a Jew bought a piece of land, to

which poor traders were admitted on payment of a halfpenny per head,

and the project succeeded so admirably that the owner of the ground

soon became a rich man. At Paris similar markets have been instituted,

and with success, by M. Delamarre; and in the same city there are also

public kitchens, where cooked meat can be had at a cheap rate, so as

to keep the poor people out of the public-houses. Lodging-houses for

such of the men as choose to come to them would likewise be a valuable

appendage to the suggested street-markets, but they must be free from

the almost tyrannical supervision which prevails in the existing model

lodging-houses in London. Whilst so much vexatious restriction is

put upon men’s liberties, they cannot be expected to frequent these

places in the numbers they otherwise would. Lodging-houses for the

reception of ticket-of-leave men on leaving prison might prevent them

from being thrown loose upon the world until they have some prospect

of a livelihood before them. I wish Society to take these men by

the hand--to be lenient and considerate towards them, and not to be

annoyed if one or two should recede from their good resolutions;

for the experience of the reformatory institutions of London shows

that there are often twenty-five per cent of relapses among their

inmates. Therefore, if only five and a-half per cent of you fail in

your laudable endeavours, as the returns I have quoted show, to be

the whole proportion, then I say that you are a class who ought to be

encouraged. By this means we shall be able to grapple effectually with

this great trouble--viz. how to reform the great bulk of our criminals.

Under these circumstances I have invited you here to-night, to give

you an opportunity of telling Society what are your difficulties.

There is a gentleman present who will publish your grievances all over

the kingdom, and I charge you all to speak only the truth. You cannot

benefit by any other course, and therefore be you a check the one upon

the other; and if any one departs from the strict fact, do you pull him

up. Thus you will show the world that you have met here with an earnest

desire to better yourselves--thus you will present a spectacle that

will go far to convince Society that it runs no risk in giving you your

liberty--and prevail upon it to regard not wholly without compassion

the few members of your class who, yielding in an evil hour to the

trying temptations which beset them, sink unhappily into their former

delinquencies.” (Loud and prolonged applause.)

The men were then requested to ascend the platform, and relate their

own experience, as well as to state their views of how their class

could best be assisted. The first to respond to this invitation was a

young man of neat and comparatively respectable appearance, who seemed

to be known to the rest by the name of ‘Peter,’ and who, with great

fluency and considerable propriety of expression, proceeded to narrate

his own past career as follows:--

“Friends, I hope you will excuse any hesitation or stammering on my

part while I stand in this unusual position. All the education I have

received has been picked up in prison--understand that. As to the

difficulties encountered by ticket-of-leave men I know nothing, save

from my own personal experience. You cannot judge properly of the

intentions of the convict, unless you begin with his career from the

first time that he enters prison. Well, you must know, that I was

transported for seven years. I was sent to Millbank, and there put

to the tailoring business. From the outset I had a great partiality

for books, and I then learnt to read and write better than I could

do before. I also acquired a little grammar and arithmetic, simply

to improve my mind; and if mental improvement is any part of moral

improvement, I was, of course, morally improving also. I knew more

arithmetic then than I do now, having lost my knowledge in consequence

of excessive indulgence in intoxicating liquors. In fact, I got as

far as the beginning of algebra--certainly a very abstruse science to

tackle. After spending fourteen months in Millbank I went to Portland,

where I had to wheel barrows from morning to night. I still persevered,

however, with my books; and the great anxiety that constantly weighed

on my mind was, what would become of me when I was liberated. I knew

that the work I was doing would be well done; and I was far happier

then than I am now, because I feel that there is no breakfast for me

to-morrow morning till I go and thieve it; and that is the simple

truth. (Applause.) I supposed that if I went to the Chaplain, who had

delivered several charitable discourses, very much in accordance with

my own feelings, he might assist me. I therefore stated my case to him,

telling him that I really wished to become a better member of society.

He listened to my tale, and wished me to see him once a-week, which

I did. But the Chaplain at this time was the Rev. Mr. Moran (as we

understood), and when I wanted books he would not encourage me, unless

I consented to become a communicant. If I had done that I should have

had more favour shown to me, and been provided with whatever I wished;

but not feeling myself fit for such a thing, I therefore refused. I

then waited till a change took place, and the Rev. Mr. Ubridge, (as we

understood), a lover of science and literature, came--a clergyman whose

system was altogether different, having none of these Roman Catholic

restrictions. We were then allowed to think and do as we liked in

regard to religion, and no man was forced to attend the communion-table

unless he thought himself as fit for it as the Minister. I applied to

the new Chaplain, and told him I considered my mind to have been much

enlightened. I suppose everybody fancies the same, who knows a little,

though not much. When my turn to be liberated approached they came

to me in my separate cell, and I told them there was no chance of my

bettering myself unless I could get an honest living. I said that I

must go back to London, where I had first been transported, and that

the only thing I expected was to be transported again; for my bad

character would be no recommendation to me--the police all knew me,

and wherever they saw me they would point me out as a ticket-of-leave

man. (Applause.) On my release I received 6_l._ 12_s._ I came to

Southampton with one of the officers of the establishment, who was

kind enough to ask me to take a drop of brandy. Not having had any

spirits for four years previous, this little got into my head, and

having drank another glass or two I was intoxicated, and I spent all my

money that night--yes, and got locked up into the bargain. (Laughter.)

If I did not quite spend all my money myself, somebody else helped me

to spend it. I came to London without a farthing. I hadn’t a friend

in the world, and even at present, if I want a meal, I have no one to

say ‘Here it is for you.’ What is a man in such a case, being without

work, to do? Is he to starve? Well, I wore out two pairs of shoes,

walking the streets for three months together, looking for a situation,

but all in vain; and I became as emaciated as this post, (pointing to

the pillar of the lamp on the platform,) having had nothing better

than a bit of bread and a herring to eat, and not one ounce of animal

food during all that period. I had a little pride, which kept me from

begging. All the good feelings engendered in prison passed away. I

returned to my old companions, with whom I went for about two months,

when I was at length caught, and received another twelvemonth’s

imprisonment, which expired only last Monday fortnight. During the two

months I was with my old companions I got a good living--I could always

make my 5_l._ or 6_l._ a-week by practices which I did not like, but

which I was driven to adopt, because the public would not let me earn

1_l._ honestly. Since, however, I received the card of admission to

this meeting, I have not put my hand to a dishonest act, and if the

promise it holds out is fulfilled I never will. I have little more to

say. I attended here to-night in the hope of reaping some permanent

benefit, and also to encourage those who, like myself, wish to become

honest members of society. (Applause.) I trust the benevolent gentleman

who has so humanely interested himself in this cause will be successful

in his exertions on behalf of a body of unfortunate and persecuted

beings, who, I should say, are more knocked about by the police, and

more discouraged by the opinions of the public at large, than any other

class in the United Kingdom. (Applause.) May God and right reason

direct this movement, and bring it to a speedy and prosperous issue.”

(Loud cheers greeted “Peter,” as he descended from the “tribune.”)

The next spokesman was a thin-faced and diminutive, but shrewd-looking

costermonger, of about twenty-five years of age, and tidier in

appearance than many of his class, who said:--“Friends, I am only a

little one, and you can’t expect much from me; indeed, ‘Peter’ hasn’t

left me much to say. I will, however, begin at the beginning. At the

age of ten I was left without father or mother, and others here could

say the same. I was taught to get a living by selling oranges in the

streets, and I kept at that for twelve months. I was afterwards induced

to go along with a few Westminster boys, who went about thieving;

and I had nobody to look after me. Having no friend, I nevertheless

always got a good ‘lift’ from the police. I was soon arrested, and at

Newgate received seven years’ transportation. I spent three years and

seven months at the Isle of Wight, and eleven months at Portsmouth. I

would not have been kept so long at the Isle of Wight if I had been

religious; but as I could not act the hypocrite I was obliged to give

up this religion. During this time I never took the sacrament, as they

wanted me to do. Well, I gets my liberty, and I had several pounds put

into my hands when I left. I came to London-bridge station, and thought

it was the Waterloo station, and fancying I was near Westminster, I

looked about for the Victoria Theatre. A chap then said to me, ‘You

had better not be seen in those clothes.’ I afterwards changed my

dress and sold the other clothes. I soon found myself with only about

three half-crowns in my pocket. My only friend was a cousin, who was

engaged in buying hare-skins and rabbit-skins about the streets, and

he recommended me to do the same. This was in the winter time, and I

hardly knew one kind of skin from another. However, I did pretty well

at this for two or three weeks; when, one day, as I was walking with

a sack of skins upon my back through Tothill-street, Westminster, two

policemen came up to me, and demanded to look into my bag. Rather

than consent to this I went to the Police Court along with them.

When I got there a policeman said to the inspector, that I was a

‘ticket-of-leave,’ and had something in my sack. I insisted on seeing

the magistrate, and the inspector brought me to him, but instead of

allowing me to speak to his worship, he spoke first, saying that I was

very violent and saucy, and a ‘ticket-of-leave.’ Instead of hearing

what I had to say under these circumstances, the magistrate, too, burst

out, ‘Oh, you are an insolent fellow, and a disgrace to society; if

the Secretary of State knew of your doings, he would banish you.’ And

his worship, also muttering something about sending me to ‘quod’ for

contempt of court, I thought it better to ‘hook it.’ During two years

and a-half of my term at the Isle of Wight, having learnt something

of shoemaking, I now travelled down to Northampton, but could get no

work because I had no tools. Even what I did know of the trade was not

enough to enable me to get a living by it. I then went on to Derby,

and was near starving. I had no lodging. I was not quite so proud as

‘Peter,’ for I went up to a gentleman and told him the strength of it.

I said, I am a ‘ticket-of-leave.’ He hardly understood me, but I tried

to explain it to him, and he gave me a shilling. With this aid I got my

shirt washed, put myself to rights, polished my boots, and up I goes

to a magistrate to see what he would say about it. I told him I wanted

to go to London, and could not walk all the way. This magistrate can

tell whether I am now speaking the truth. I got an interview with him

at Derby, and told him I was a ticket-of-leave man. He would scarcely

believe me, and imagined rather that I was a returned convict. The

police jeering me, said, ‘How well polished his boots are! but we

think him an impostor.’ So, with no other help than the shilling I

had obtained, I trudged along in my misery until, with the worms and

maggots gnawing my belly, I reached London. Here my cousin got me into

the ‘market’ again, and I married last Christmas twelvemonth, and have

one child. I am now just managing to ‘crack an honest crust;’ and while

I can do that I will never thieve more. (Applause.) I am not much of

a talker, therefore I can only hope that the kind gentleman who has

called us together will succeed in his praiseworthy endeavours to

secure fair-play to our ill-used class. I have nothing more to say.”

(Loud cheers.)

The third speaker was a stonemason, of about thirty, and of a honest

and industrious aspect, who said:--“My friends, I have but little

to say regarding myself. I was sent away from Newgate to Wakefield

in 1851, and put to work. As to gratuity money given to convicts,

certainly none was allowed at Wakefield while I was there. As to our

treatment there and at other places, I can say that I never had a bit

of sweet meat all the time I was at Wakefield. I never had anything but

mince-meat chopped up, always green, and others can testify to the same

thing. One man got three days of bread and water for complaining of

this. After staying thirteen months at Wakefield I went to Portsmouth,

where I remained about three years and a half, during which time I

certainly worked hard. There the treatment of the men differs greatly,

according to their conduct. A man who behaves well is treated well; but

those of a volatile spirit are treated badly. For myself I never had

a report made against me all the time I was there, and I obtained my

liberty under ticket-of-leave, although I was sentenced to ten years’

imprisonment, at the end of four years and four months. A few others,

who came later than I did, were fortunate enough to get their freedom

about the same time. I was not jealous about that, but was glad to get

away myself. I had a mother and sister to go to; and though my sister

was in employment, I did not cost them anything. I got work at my own

trade, and experienced few of the hardships which most of my class

do when first liberated. I know one poor man who said this meeting

was the last place that he would come to, as it would expose him. He

has worked five weeks for a person in Gray’s-Inn-lane. He had been in

good circumstances, was a clerk, and under the eye of a minister. He

had to sleep in a place where the vermin crawled over his bed, and he

had to get up in the night and remove his clothes to keep them clean.

For the five weeks he has been at work he has scarcely had the barest

necessaries of subsistence. I have been to see this man every Sunday,

and can safely say that he has not had sixpence in his pocket ever

since he has been out of prison. He was engaged at fire-work making,

but this trade becoming slack after the 5th of November, he was

thrown upon the streets again. I will not say what became of the man

afterwards, because that is not necessary. I will merely mention that

he is now struggling on, depending entirely on the public for a meal of

victuals. I have myself been to work in the city for two months, and

have not been intoxicated once. I am not fond of drink. I am steady and

mean to continue so, and I trust every one here will resolve to do the

same, for you will find it much more to your comfort. I am fortunate

enough to be able to earn a livelihood at my trade as a mason; but

though I am not in want myself, I could not refrain from coming here to

throw what light I could on this subject, and showing my readiness to

help others who are in distress.” (Applause.)

The next who mounted the platform was an elderly man, evidently much

reduced in circumstances. He stated--“I am a dock-labourer, and in

1848 was convicted, though innocent, at the Old Bailey. I was within

three miles of the place where the robbery of which I was accused was

committed. I was certainly in company with the female who was robbed

three hours before the theft occurred; but I had no hand in it, and

yet I was sentenced to fourteen years’ transportation. I passed my

first eleven months at Millbank; then I went to Woolwich, and next

to Gibraltar. At the latter place Mr. Armstrong is the overseer of

the convicts, and he is the severest man ever known; not a worse

being in the Australian or any penal settlements. Flogging went on

there from before daylight till long after dark. I was six years and

eight months under his system, and I received 4_l._ 14_s._ 6_d._ on

leaving Gibraltar, 2_l._ 10_s._ of which was stopped to pay my passage

to England. When I came home I strived as hard as any man to get an

honest livelihood. I tried every experiment--I went all up and down

Whitechapel, but no, the police would not allow me--they picked me out

as a marked man. Then I worked fifteen or sixteen months at the Docks,

but lately that employment has been very slack, and I have tried all

the offices in vain for the last fortnight. I leave you to consider,

therefore, what a man is to do when he strives to get a living and

can’t. No man in all London has seen more trouble than I have. In 1840

I got three years’ imprisonment. When I came out a man borrowed my

coat to walk through the City with, and next day, as I was going past

Bow Church, I was taken up for a robbery which that man had committed,

my coat being sworn to, as it had a stain on the collar. I was taken

before Alderman Gibbs that morning, and fully committed for trial; and

when I appeared at Newgate I got twelve months in the Compter gaol,

though innocent. I had not been three months out of the Compter before

I was taken up for beating a policeman, who said I threw a stone at

him, but I never did. A fortnight afterwards the man who did it got

fourteen days, and I gets two years for it, though I was not nigh the

place. No man in London has suffered as I have done wrongfully, and

none has been so ‘worked up’ as I am at this moment. For the last

fortnight the winds have been such as to prevent a single ship from

coming up the Channel, and morning after morning between five hundred

and six hundred men regularly wait at the Docks for employment and

cannot get it. When I am employed, it is at the West Quay; but the

permanent labourers are served first. Such men as I have very little

chance, as they bring persons from the other side of the Dock sooner

than engage ‘casualty’ labourers. During the eighteen months that have

elapsed since I came from Gibraltar, I have walked the streets of

London whole days without breaking my fast; and since twelve o’clock

yesterday up to this moment I have not done so. I really wish, sir,

that something could be done for us all.”

Mr. Mayhew asked the men whether they thought the formation of a

society, and a system by which those who were in work could assist

those who were out of it, would benefit them?

To this many voices answered, “Yes! yes!”

Mr. Mayhew continued: “I know that if your stock-money is once gone you

are completely helpless. A man who had been tried for his life and sent

to Australia came to me one day, when let out of prison, with a loaf

under his arm, and said, ‘This is all I have got to keep me, and if I

ask for work there is a policeman at my heels to tell every one that

I am a returned convict.’ His case became desperate, when, about the

time of the Great Exhibition, I offered to give him a little money if

he would pledge me his word to do all that he could to lead an honest

life. He shook hands with me, and promised to do so. He then had cards

printed, and tried to make a living by selling gelatine sweets. After a

little time he took a small huckster’s shop, and subsequently married

a lodging-house keeper, and has since been doing very well. I know

that the period between the ages of twenty-five and fifty is the time

when a roving life has its strongest attractions; but after that, when

a man is hunted like a dog, he gets tired of it. I have seen frequent

examples of this, and known whole families of poor people, with only

sixpence at their command, to invest that small sum in sprats, and live

a month upon it by turning it over and over.

“I once took a poor boy (a young thief) and got him a place at the

_Daily News_ office, when the printer and editor told me he was as good

and as well-behaved as any boy on that establishment. The difficulty,

however, was to separate him from his old ‘pals.’ He got among them on

an Easter Monday, and was found picking pockets at a fair, and taken

to prison; it was ‘all up with him’ till he had seen the misery of his

course of life, but I am sure, if taken by the hand, he will ultimately

become a good member of society. I mention this to show, that if a

little leniency and kindness are evinced towards the men we may beat

down the crime of the country to an enormous extent. But we must

not fancy it possible that such persons can be made model-men in an

instant. Indeed, I believe that the disposition shown to make converts

to religion of you produces a large amount of hypocrisy. (Cries of

Yes! yes!) If this leads you to become better men, in Heaven’s name,

say so; but if it engenders the worst form of evil, let it be exposed.

That there are such things as miracles of instantaneous reformation,

I don’t deny; but the first thing wanted is some society to give men

what will keep them from starving, clothe them, and find them in a

lodging; and when they are thus placed in decent comfort, and made,

as a necessary consequence, more kindly in their nature, other people

may then come to them and try to make them religious. To attempt,

however, to proselytise men who are famishing, appears to me a mockery

and a delusion, and only the most depraved class of criminals would, I

believe, yield to it.” (Applause.)

The fifth ticket-of-leave man who addressed the assembly was a man of

middle stature, slightly made, and between twenty-five and thirty. He

said:--

“I was sentenced to seven years’ transportation at the Old Bailey. I

went to Wakefield and can confirm the statement of a previous speaker,

that no gratuities are allowed there. I next went to Portsmouth,

where I remained two years and two months, when I was discharged on

ticket-of-leave. I returned to the neighbourhood from whence I was

committed. A master who promised to give me constant employment had

before this given me a certificate. I was discharged about eighteen

months ago. Whilst I was at work for my master a female came up to me

and asked me if I had seen two other women pass. I answered, ‘No,’ when

she invited me to have something to drink; and knowing the female, I

accepted her offer. While walking with her, only two doors from where

I lived, a policeman came up and took us both into custody. This, I

suppose, was because I was known to be a returned convict. The woman

was charged with being concerned with others of her own sex with

robbing a gentleman, and on being searched a portion of the money was

found on her, but none on me. Moreover, the gentleman stating that

there was no man engaged in the theft, I was discharged. I then resumed

work, but was taken again upon a charge of burglary. Many of you may

have heard of the case. I was in my shirt-sleeves when I was arrested.

The case was tried before Mr. Brenham. I did not deny my name, and

being a ticket-of-leave man I was remanded for a week. I was afterwards

brought up and re-examined, and after a careful investigation I was

discharged. If there had been the slightest suspicion attaching to me,

from my character being known, I must have been either imprisoned for

three months, or committed for trial. I again returned to my work,

but in three weeks afterwards I was dragged out of my bed and locked

up for three hours in the Bagnigge-wells station, whence I was taken

to Bow-street. Three policemen had burst my bedroom-door open before

six o’clock in the morning, and while it was yet dark. They said they

wanted me, because I had been concerned with a female in the robbery

which had occurred two nights previous, on Pentonville-hill. The

inspector told me he had received an order from the Secretary of State

to send me back to Portsmouth prison, my license being revoked. When I

got to Bow-street I was placed before Mr. Hall, not in open court, but

in a private room. That gentleman also told me that my license had been

revoked, on the alleged grounds that I was living by dishonest means.

I was sent back to prison accordingly; but through the intercession

of my brother--a married man, who showed that I had been working for

twelve months--I was again released. There was no just ground whatever

for sending me back to prison. I have only been home a fortnight, and

having no tools I don’t know what to do. The master who employed me

before has got another man.”

MR. MAYHEW here remarked, that it would be a great encouragement to

Society to help them, if those who were doing well assisted those who

were doing badly; whereupon

PETER observed that “it was little help that the one could possibly

give to the other. An Association (he said) was what was wanted,

whereby the men’s present urgent necessities could be relieved

before they fell into mischief. A few days after a man’s liberation

he generally found that he had acted foolishly, and returned to his

senses. If, therefore, a society took him by the hand, and gave him

temporary shelter and counsel, it would be the best thing that could

happen to him.”

Those of the lads and men present who had been left without father or

mother from an early age, were then requested to hold up their hands;

when twenty out of the forty-eight did so.

A lame blacksmith and fitter, of about forty, whose garb and complexion

were in strict keeping with his craft, and who spoke with not a few

grains of stern bitterness in his tone, next mounted the rostrum. He

said: “I have been transported, and am a ‘spotted man,’ with whom the

police can do as they like. I was a long time at Dartmoor, one of the

hardest convict stations a man can go to, and I did the prison work

there. I went there in 1851, when an eminent doctor, Mr. McIntosh,

belonged to the place, but having good health I did not need his

assistance. While in the infirmary on several occasions, but not for

illness, I saw the medicine that was given to the patients. It was

only a large bottle of salts. I have known a man to be cut out of his

hammock, taken down-stairs, and buried, all in three hours; and I have

heard the doctor say of a sick man, ‘Let him drink out of a pail till

he bursts.’ (Some sensation.) I was a privileged man because I was

handy, and fitted up almost the whole iron-work of the place. Once some

books were pilfered; and at dinner-time there was a general turn over

and search at parade. The ‘searcher’ was a very sedate man, at least

in the eyes of the Governor, but he was the most malicious person that

ever stripped. After feeling the pockets of the man next to me, this

person called me out, and, contrary to the rule, took me into the yard

and stripped me naked. I remonstrated, and wished him to choose a place

not in the open air, but for this I was ordered to a cell, and while on

my way there he borrowed a sword from an officer--the foreman of the

smith’s shop--and made a cut at me with the back edge of the weapon,

inflicting a wound of eighteen inches long. I went to my cell, and next

morning I was, to my astonishment, charged with attempting to knock

this very man down with a hammer! The Governor would not hear a word

that I had to say. I was inspected by the doctor, and then put back,

to appear afterwards before the directors. The charge against me was

wholly false. The foreman of the smith’s shop was a straightforward

man, and when applied to about my character, he told the governor that

a quieter man, and one more capable of doing his work than me, he could

not wish to see. The accuser could not look me in the face; but if the

foreman spoke the truth to the directors,--and he was a man who would

speak nothing else,--he would have been sure to have his band removed

from his cap. So, instead of my being taken before the directors, I

was sent to my dinner; and I never received the least redress for the

wrongs I endured.

“Before returning home I was classed as a permanent invalid, and yet I

was kept at work on iron-work of three tons weight. After acting four

years as a mechanic and a ‘first-rater’ at Dartmoor, I got invalided

pay, and went home with about 7_l._ in my pocket. That is all the

reward given to a good workman and well-conducted man at Dartmoor. I

have heard much of Wakefield, and believe the system there will reform

any man. It has a first-rate character; but as to Dartmoor, a man

leaving it can have no reformation in him. At Dartmoor, when visitors

wish to try the prisoners’ soup, a basin of nice beef tea, standing

smoking on the hob, and fit to show gentlemen, is offered them to

taste. But this is not the soup which is really given to the convicts;

that is merely a little rice and water. In fact, Dartmoor is one of the

most villanous places a man can be put into. You have there to swab up

two or three pails of water before you can rise in the morning. The

brutality practised is terrible; and remember, when a man is prejudiced

against the treatment he receives, no permanent improvement of his

character is possible. Let any Dartmoor man here get up and deny what

I say about the place, if he can. The aristocracy fancy that it is

an excellent convict station, but it is not. I have seen clean and

comfortable-looking men taken off parade, because they would not do an

officer’s dirty work, and conducted to a covered passage, from which

they have not come out again until they did so with faces cut about and

bleeding, and with clothes all torn to pieces. I don’t say that all

the other convict establishments are like Dartmoor. I have seen bodies

of seventy and eighty men come there from Wakefield--good-intentioned

persons, and evidently having undergone religious impressions, to

judge by their regularly kneeling down to prayers; but Dartmoor must

contaminate them, and make them worse than ever before they leave it. I

never had any particular religious feelings myself while at Dartmoor;

but I am sure that a pious life is the most comfortable one under

the canopy of heaven. I was very wrongfully sent away to that penal

establishment. I had never been convicted before; and my only offence

was being concerned in a tap-room drunken fight, for which I was

charged with a misdemeanour. It was stated that I intended to do a man

some grievous bodily harm, but it was proved that I had no weapon at

the time larger than a penny-piece. I only left Dartmoor six or seven

months ago. If I were in work, I should be most happy to give my mite

towards the society that this gentleman (Mr. Mayhew) speaks of, for the

benefit of the poor ticket-of-leave men; but the slackness of trade has

thrown me out for the last month, and I have maintained myself and four

others who are on my hands for half-a-year.”

The concluding speaker was a young and cleanly-looking working man, of

prepossessing address, who stated:--“I have experienced considerable

oppression from the police, who, I think, want as much showing

up as anybody. In January, 1852, I was sentenced to seven years’

transportation. I stopped at the House of Correction for some time,

and then went to Northampton borough gaol, where I lay eleven months.

Thence I was sent to Woolwich, where I stayed about two years and five

months, and was employed in dragging timber from one end of the yard

to the other. However, I did very well there, and I find no fault with

the place. When I got my liberty I returned home, where I had a father

and mother and a sister; but as they were in humble circumstances, I

did not like to throw myself on them for my support, and so I looked

about for something to do. I am now keeping company with a young woman.

One night as I was going home, at half-past twelve, after sitting some

hours with her and her father, a policeman suddenly comes up to me, and

tapping me on the shoulder, says: ‘Holloa, George; so here you are!

Mind I don’t send you somewhere else for twelve months.’ I answered:

‘So you may, when I have given you occasion for it.’ My landlord saw

us, and said that I had done nothing. ‘No,’ said the policeman, ‘or I

would not allow him to go free;’ and he then told me to move on. My

young woman’s father keeps a barber’s shop; and this policeman goes up

to him and acquaints him with my character, asking him whether he is

aware that the young man his daughter keeps company with is a returned

convict. The father tells her of it, at least she gives me broad hints

that imply as much. This man then shows me up, and exposes me several

times to the tradesmen in my neighbourhood. I then see what I can do. I

cannot get a certificate of character, and I try to write one myself.

Then I get several months’ imprisonment, and now I have been out seven

weeks. But I have not done anything dishonest. Still, if it goes on

like this, I am sure I must be compelled to do that. A fortnight ago,

as I was going home, the same policeman again interfered with me,

and I was obliged to put up with his insults. Last week I wrote a

letter to the captain of the hulks at Woolwich, telling him of the

oppression I suffer. I received a letter from the chaplain, of course

containing religious advice, but the answer I obtained from the captain

of the hulks was, that the next time I am insulted I should write to

him again, when he will acquaint the Secretary of State with it, and

put it down, if possible. How can we hope to get employment from any

tradesmen, if the policemen persist in telling who we are? I know that

if I were an independent gentleman myself, I would not trust a man who

had no reference of some kind.”

MR. MAYHEW: “We will now break up this meeting. I will let you know

when to meet again. When I can arrange the formation of a committee of

gentlemen willing to connect themselves with the undertaking I have

sketched out, we can hold another assemblage in public. (Cheers.)

In the meantime, if I can assist any of you with the loan of a few

shillings--but, mind you, come to me gently, and not thick and fast--I

will do what I can to help you. (Hear, hear.) I am a person who work

myself for all I get, and remember I call myself a ‘shilling man,’

and not one of your ‘sovereign people’ (Laughter); and when I say ‘a

loan,’ I want you all to feel that by doing your best to repay me, you

will enable me to extend the same assistance to a greater number of

your class. (Hear, hear.) Colonel Jebb looks on you almost with the

eye of a father, and it touches him to the quick to hear of any of you

relapsing. I trust that we shall prove successful in our object; but

let me in conclusion entreat you all to adhere faithfully to your good

resolves; and I hope you will find far greater happiness in pursuing

honest courses than dishonest ones.” (Cheers.)

The meeting, which lasted from eight o’clock to half-past ten, and was

most orderly throughout, then quietly dispersed.

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