I expected that interruption. That is not a settled controversy. It is

a matter which lies in the future. The cases I have mentioned are

cases where we have carried the law into effect and have seen the

results, and found that they have been good.

Let me remind the House that, but for a lucky accident, but for the

fact that Letters Patent can be issued by the Crown and do not require

the statutory assent of Parliament, it would very likely have been

impossible for this Government to have made the constitutional

settlement in the Transvaal and in the Orange River Colony, because

the Constitutions would probably have been mutilated or cast out by

the House of Lords, and the Executive Government would have found

itself responsible for carrying out the government of Colonies on

lines of which it wholly disapproved, and after their own policy had

been rejected.

I proceed to inquire on what principle the House of Lords deals with

Liberal measures. The right hon. Member for Dover[8] by an imaginative

effort assures us that they occupy the position of the umpire. Are

they even a sieve, a strainer, to stop legislation if it should reveal

an undue or undesirable degree of Radicalism or Socialism? Are they

the complementary critic--the critic who sees all the things which the

ordinary man does not see? No one can maintain it. The attitude which

the House of Lords adopts towards Liberal measures is purely tactical.

When they returned to their "gilded Chamber" after the general

election they found on the Woolsack and on the Treasury Bench a Lord

Chancellor and a Government with which they were not familiar. When

their eyes fell upon those objects, there was a light in them which

meant one thing--murder; murder tempered, no doubt, by those

prudential considerations which always restrain persons from acts

which are contrary to the general feeling of the society in which they

live. But their attitude towards the present Government has from the

beginning been to select the best and most convenient opportunity of

humiliating and discrediting them, and finally of banishing them from

power.

Examine, in contrast with that of the Education Bill, their treatment

of the Trades Disputes Bill. Lord Halsbury described that Bill as

outrageous and tyrannous, and said it contained a section more

disgraceful than any that appeared in any English Statute. On what

ground then did they pass that Bill, if it was not the ground of

political opportunism and partisanship? What safeguard can such a

Second Chamber be to the commercial interests of this country? Is it

not clear that they are prepared to sacrifice, if necessary, what they

consider to be the true interests of the country in order to secure an

advantage for the political Party whose obedient henchmen they are?

The Trades Disputes Bill was a very inconvenient measure for the

Conservative Party to leave open, because so long as it was left open

a great mass of democratic opinion was directed against them. And so

it was passed. On the other hand, the Education Bill was very

inconvenient for the Liberal Party to leave open, because they are

supported by Catholics and Nonconformists, and to bring in an

Education Bill to satisfy those two extremes is not to solve a

problem, but to solve a double acrostic. So that Bill was not passed.

Upon a measure which it would be inconvenient to the Liberal Party to

leave open the House of Lords rejected all compromise. Upon a measure

which it would be inconvenient for the Conservative Party to leave

open, they submitted at once--their action being irrespective of

merits in either case. That, I suppose, is what the Leader of the

Opposition called "an averaging machinery."

I press these points in order to justify me in making this statement,

that the House of Lords, as it at present exists and acts, is not a

national institution, but a Party dodge, an apparatus and instrument

at the disposal of one political faction; and it is used in the most

unscrupulous manner to injure and humiliate the opposite faction. When

Conservative Members go about the country defending a Second Chamber,

let them remember that this is the kind of Second Chamber they have to

defend, and when they defend the veto let them remember that it is a

veto used, not for national purposes, but for the grossest purposes of

unscrupulous political partisanship.

I have dealt with the issues between Houses, and I come to that

between Parties. Great changes in a community are very often

unperceived; the focus of reality moves from one institution in the

State to another, and almost imperceptibly. Sometimes the forms of

institutions remain almost the same in all ceremonial aspects, and yet

there will be one institution which under pretentious forms is only

the husk of reality, and another which under a humble name is in fact

the operative pivot of the social system. Constitutional writers have

much to say about the estates of the realm, and a great deal to say

about their relation to each other, and to the Sovereign. All that is

found to be treated upon at length. But they say very little about the

Party system. And, after all, the Party system is the dominant fact in

our experience. Nothing is more striking in the last twenty-five years

than the growth and expansion of Party organisation, and the way in

which millions of people and their votes have been woven into its

scope.

There are two great characteristics about the Party institutions of

this country: the equipoise between them, and their almost incredible

durability. We have only to look at the general elections of 1900 and

1906. I do not suppose any circumstances could be more depressing for

a political Party than the circumstances in which the Liberal Party

fought the election in 1900, except the circumstances in which the

Conservative Party fought the election of 1906. At those two

elections, what was the salient fact? The great mass of the voters of

each political Party stood firm by the standard of their Party, and

although there was an immense movement of public opinion, that

movement was actually effected by the actual transference of a

comparatively small number of votes.

When Parties are thus evenly balanced, to place such a weapon as the

House of Lords in the hands of one of the Parties is to doom the other

to destruction. I do not speak only from the Party point of view,

although it explains the earnestness with which we approach this

question. It is a matter of life and death to Liberalism and

Radicalism. It is a question of our life or the abolition of the veto

of the House of Lords. But look at it from a national point of view.

Think of its injury to the smooth working of a Liberal Government. At

the present time a Liberal Government, however powerful, cannot look

far ahead, cannot impart design into its operations, because it knows

that if at any moment its vigour falls below a certain point another

body, over which it has no control, is ready to strike it a blow to

its most serious injury.

It comes to this, that no matter how great the majority by which a

Liberal Government is supported, it is unable to pass any legislation

unless it can procure the agreement of its political opponents.

Observe the position in which the present Executive Government is

consequently placed. Take only the question of passive resistance. The

action of the House of Lords at the present time forces the Executive

Government to lock up in prison men with whose action they entirely

sympathise and whose grievance they have faithfully promised to

redress. Such a position is intolerable. Indeed, I am sure that if

right hon. gentlemen opposite would only utilise that valuable gift of

putting themselves in imagination in the position of others, they

would see that no self-respecting men could continue to occupy such a

position except with the object of putting an end to it for ever.

Much might be said for and against the two-Party system. But no one

can doubt that it adds to the stability and cohesion of the State. The

alternation of Parties in power, like the rotation of crops, has

beneficial results. Each of the two Parties has services to render in

the development of the national life; and the succession of new and

different points of view is a real benefit to the country. A choice

between responsible Ministries is a great strength to the Crown. The

advantage of such a system cannot be denied. Would not the ending of

such a system involve a much greater disturbance than to amend the

functions of the House of Lords? Is there not a much greater cataclysm

involved in the breakdown of the constitutional organisation of

democracy--for that is the issue which is placed before us--than would

be involved in the mere curtailment of the legislative veto which has

been given to another place?

I ask the House what does such a safeguard as the House of Lords mean?

Is it a safeguard at all? Enormous powers are already possessed by the

House of Commons. It has finance under its control, it has the

Executive Government; the control of foreign affairs and the great

patronage of the State are all in the power of the House of Commons at

the present time. And if you are to proceed on the basis that the

people of this country will elect a mad House of Commons, and that the

mad House of Commons will be represented by a mad Executive, the House

of Lords is no guarantee against any excesses which such a House of

Commons or such an Executive might have in contemplation. Whatever you

may wish or desire, you will be forced to trust the people in all

those vital and fundamental elements of government which in every

State have always been held to involve the practical stability of the

community.

Is the House of Lords even a security for property? Why, the greatest

weapon which a democracy possesses against property is the power of

taxation, and the power of taxation is wholly under the control of

this House. If this House chooses, for instance, to suspend payment to

the Sinking Fund, and to utilise the money for any public purpose or

for any social purpose, the House of Lords could not interfere. If the

House of Commons chose to double taxation on the wealthy classes, the

House of Lords could not interfere in any respect. Understand I am not

advocating these measures; what I am endeavouring to show to the House

is that there is no real safeguard in the House of Lords even in

regard to a movement against property.

But surely there are other securities upon which the stability of

society depends. In the ever-increasing complexities of social

problems, in the restrictions which are imposed from day to day with

increasing force on the action of individuals, above all, in the

dissemination of property among many classes of the population, lie

the real elements of stability on which our modern society depends.

There are to-day, unlike in former ages, actually millions of people

who possess not merely inert property, but who possess rent-earning,

profit-bearing property; and the danger with which we are confronted

now is not at all whether we shall go too fast. No, the danger is that

about three-fourths of the people of this country should move on in a

comfortable manner into an easy life, which, with all its ups and

downs, is not uncheered by fortune, while the remainder of the people

shall be left to rot and fester in the slums of our cities, or wither

in the deserted and abandoned hamlets of our rural districts.

That is the danger with which we are confronted at the present moment,

and it invests with a deep and real significance the issue which is

drawn between the two Parties to-night. It is quite true that there

are rich Members of the Liberal Party, and there are poor men who are

supporters of the Conservative Party; but in the main the lines of

difference between the two Parties are social and economic--in the

main the lines of difference are increasingly becoming the lines of

cleavage between the rich and the poor. Let that reflection be with

us in the struggle which we are now undertaking, and in which we shall

without pause press forward, confident of this, that, if we persevere,

we shall wrest from the hands of privilege and wealth the evil, ugly,

and sinister weapon of the Peers' veto, which they have used so ill so

long.

FOOTNOTES:

[6] Lord Robert Cecil.

[7] Mr. Balfour.

[8] Mr. Wyndham.

THE DUNDEE ELECTION

KINNAIRD HALL, DUNDEE, _May 14, 1908_

A new Government has come into being under a Prime Minister who, like

his predecessor, is tied to Scotland by strong and intimate bonds.

Give him a fair chance. Give the Government which he has brought into

being the opportunity of handling the great machinery of State. Be

assured that, if you do, they will employ it for the greatest good of

the greatest number. I am well satisfied at what has taken place since

I have been in Dundee. I see a great concentration of forces

throughout the constituency. I see the opportunity of retrieving, and

more than retrieving, the injury which has been done to the cause of

progress and reform by elections in other parts of our island.

Ah, but, a very sad thing has happened; an awful thing has

happened--the Liberal Party has gone in for Home Rule. _The Scotsman_

is shocked, _The Times_ is speechless, and takes three columns to

express its speechlessness; _The Spectator_, that staid old weekly,

has wobbled back to where it never should have wobbled from; the

Ulster Unionists declare that the Government has forfeited all the

confidence that they never had in it, and thousands of people who

never under any circumstances voted Liberal before are saying that

under no circumstances will they ever vote Liberal again. And I am

supposed to be responsible for this revolution in our policy.

Why, the statements I have made on the Irish question are the logical

and inevitable consequence of the Resolution which was passed by the

House of Commons, in which every member of the Government voted, which

was carried by an enormous majority--more than 200--a month ago[9]--a

Resolution which, after explaining the plain and lamentable evils

which can be traced to the existing system of government in Ireland,

affirmed that the remedy for those evils would be found in a

representative body with an Executive responsible to it, subject to

the supreme authority of the Imperial Parliament.

The Irish question at the present time occupies a vastly different

position to what it did in the year 1886. Ever since 1880 the

attention of Parliament has been devoted constantly to Ireland, and

the attention of Parliament, when devoted constantly to one object, is

rarely fruitless. The twenty-five years that have passed have seen

great changes in Ireland. We have seen a great scheme of local

government, which Lord Salisbury said would be more disastrous than

Home Rule itself, actually put into force. We have seen the scheme of

land purchase, which in the year 1886 did more to injure the Home Rule

Bill than anything else, actually carried, not indeed to a complete

conclusion, but carried into practical effect by a Unionist

Administration. These are great events; and their consequences, I

think, ought to encourage us to move forward, and not to move back.

They have produced results in Ireland which are beneficent, and the

Irish question no longer presents itself in the tragic guise of the

early eighties. They have produced an effect on Great Britain too. All

over our country people have seen Bills which they were told

beforehand would be ruinous to the unity and integrity of the United

Kingdom--Land Bills and Local Government Bills--passed into law; and

so far from the dire consequences which were apprehended from these

measures, they have found--you here have found--that great good has

resulted from that legislation. Many people are encouraged by what has

taken place to make a step forward in the future; and I think if we

need to look for any further encouragement, we should find it in the

great and undisputed triumph which, under the mercy of Heaven, has

attended our policy in South Africa, and has resulted in bringing into

the circle of the British Empire a strong and martial race, which

might easily have been estranged for ever.

The Irish polity finds its fellow nowhere in the world. It is a

Government responsible neither to King nor people. It is not a

democratic Government, nor an autocratic Government, nor even an

oligarchical Government. It is a Government hag-ridden by forty-one

administrative Boards, whose functions overlap one another and

sometimes conflict with one another. Some are fed with money from the

Consolidated Fund, some are supplied by vote of the House of Commons,

some are supplied from savings from the Irish Development grant. Some

of these Boards are under the Viceroy, some under the Chief Secretary,

some under Treasury control, and some are under no control at all. The

administration resulting from that system is costly, inefficient,

unhandy beyond all description: a mighty staff of officials and

police; a people desperately poor; taxation which rises automatically

with every increase in the expenditure of this vast and wealthy

island; and a population which dwindles tragically year by year. Add

to all this a loyalist caste, capable and well-organised, who are

taught generation after generation to look for support not to their

own countrymen, but to external force derived from across the sea.

There exists in effect in Ireland at the present time almost exactly

the same situation which would have grown up in South Africa, if we

had not had the wit and the nerve to prevent it. Take the whole of

this situation as I have described it, thrust it into the arena of

British politics to be the centre of contending factions, and the

panorama of Irish government is complete.

With these facts before us, upon the authority of men like Lord

Dunraven, Sir Joseph West-Ridgeway, Sir Antony MacDonnell, Lord

Dudley, and others who have served the Crown in Ireland--is it

wonderful that we should refuse to turn our eyes away from the vision

of that other Ireland, free to control her own destiny in all that

properly concerns herself, free to devote the native genius of her

people to the purposes of her own self-culture--the vision of that

other Ireland which Mr. Gladstone had reserved as the culminating

achievement of his long and glorious career? Is it wonderful that we

should refuse to turn our eyes away from that? No; I say that the

desire and the aim of making a national settlement with Ireland on

lines which would enable the people of that country to manage their

own purely local affairs, is not an aim that can be separated from the

general march of the Liberal army. If I come forward on your platform

here at Dundee it is on the clear understanding that I do not preclude

myself from trying to reconcile Ireland to England on a basis of

freedom and justice.

I said just now that this was an important election. Yes, the effect

upon his Majesty's Government and upon the Liberal Party for good or

ill from this election cannot fail to be far-reaching. There are

strong forces against us. Do not underrate the growing strength of the

Tory reaction now in progress in many of the constituencies in

England. I say it earnestly to those who are members of the Labour

Party here to-day--do not underrate the storm which is gathering over

your heads as well as ours. I am not afraid of the forces which are

against us. With your support we shall overwhelm them--with your

support we shall bear them down. Ah, but we must have that support.

It is not the enemy in front that I fear, but the division which too

often makes itself manifest in progressive ranks--it is that division,

that dispersion of forces, that internecine struggle in the moments of

great emergency, in the moments when the issue hangs in the

balance--it is that which, I fear, may weaken our efforts and may

perhaps deprive us of success otherwise within our grasp.

There are cross-currents in this election. You cannot be unconscious

of that. They flow this way and that way, and they disturb the clear

issue which we should like to establish between the general body of

those whose desire it is to move forward, and those who wish to revert

to the old and barbarous prejudices and contentions of the past--to

the fiscal systems and to the methods of government and

administration, and to the Jingo foreign policies across the seas,

from which we hoped we had shaken ourselves clear.

I want to-night to speak about these cross-currents; and let me first

say a word about Socialism. There are a great many Socialists whose

characters and whose views I have much respect for--men some of whom I

know well, and whose friendship I enjoy. A good many of those

gentlemen who have delightful, rosy views of a noble and brilliant

future for the world, are so remote from hard facts of daily life and

of ordinary politics that I am not very sure that they will bring any

useful or effective influence to bear upon the immediate course of

events. To the revolutionary Socialist, whether dreamer or politician,

I do not appeal as the Liberal candidate for Dundee. I recognise that

they are perfectly right in voting against me and voting against the

Liberals, because Liberalism is not Socialism, and never will be.

There is a great gulf fixed. It is not only a gulf of method, it is a

gulf of principle. There are many steps we have to take which our

Socialist opponents or friends, whichever they like to call

themselves, will have to take with us; but there are immense

differences of principle and of political philosophy between our views

and their views.

Liberalism has its own history and its own tradition. Socialism has

its own formulas and aims. Socialism seeks to pull down wealth;

Liberalism seeks to raise up poverty. Socialism would destroy private

interests; Liberalism would preserve private interests in the only way

in which they can be safely and justly preserved, namely, by

reconciling them with public right. Socialism would kill enterprise;

Liberalism would rescue enterprise from the trammels of privilege and

preference. Socialism assails the pre-eminence of the individual;

Liberalism seeks, and shall seek more in the future, to build up a

minimum standard for the mass. Socialism exalts the rule; Liberalism

exalts the man. Socialism attacks capital; Liberalism attacks

monopoly.

These are the great distinctions which I draw, and which, I think, you

will agree I am right in drawing at this election between our

respective policies and moods. Don't think that Liberalism is a faith

that is played out; that it is a creed to which there is no expanding

future. As long as the world rolls round, Liberalism will have its

part to play--grand, beneficent, and ameliorating--in relation to men

and States.

The truth lies in these matters, as it always lies in difficult

matters, midway between extreme formulas. It is in the nice adjustment

of the respective ideas of collectivism and individualism that the

problem of the world and the solution of that problem lie in the years

to come. But I have no hesitation in saying that I am on the side of

those who think that a greater collective element should be introduced

into the State and municipalities. I should like to see the State

undertaking new functions, stepping forward into new spheres of

activity, particularly in services which are in the nature of

monopolies. There I see a wide field for State enterprise. But when we

are told to exalt and admire a philosophy which destroys individualism

and seeks to replace it absolutely by collectivism, I say that is a

monstrous and imbecile conception, which can find no real acceptance

in the brains and hearts--and the hearts are as trustworthy as the

brains--in the hearts of sensible people.

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