Now I must trench for one moment upon the economic aspect. What does

preference mean? It can only mean one thing. It can only mean better

prices. It can only mean better prices for Colonial goods. I assert,

without reserve, that preference can only operate through the agency

of price. All that we are told about improving and developing the

cultivation of tobacco in South Africa, and calling great new areas

for wheat cultivation into existence in Australia, depends upon the

stimulation of the production of those commodities, through securing

to the producers larger opportunities for profit. I say that unless

preference means better prices it will be ineffective in achieving the

objects for the sake of which it is urged. But the operation of

preference consists, so far as we are concerned, in putting a penal

tax upon foreign goods, and the object of putting that penal tax on

foreign goods is to enable the Colonial supply to rise to the level of

the foreign goods plus the tax, and by so conferring upon the Colonial

producer a greater reward, to stimulate him more abundantly to cater

for the supply of this particular market. I say, therefore, without

hesitation, that the only manner in which a trade preference can

operate is through the agency of price. If preference does not mean

better prices it seems to me a great fraud on those who are asked to

make sacrifices to obtain it; and by "better" prices I mean higher

prices--that is to say, higher prices than the goods are worth, if

sold freely in the markets of the world.

I am quite ready to admit that the fact that you make a particular

branch of trade more profitable, induces more people to engage in that

branch of trade. That is what I call stimulating Colonial production

through the agency of price. I am quite prepared to admit that a very

small tax on staple articles would affect prices in a very small

manner. Reference has been made to the imposition of a shilling duty

on corn, and I think it was Mr. Moor[3] who said, yesterday, that

when the shilling duty was imposed prices fell, and when it was taken

off prices rose. That may be quite true. I do not know that it is

true, but it may be. The imposition of such a small duty as a shilling

on a commodity produced in such vast abundance as wheat, might quite

easily be swamped or concealed by the operation of other more powerful

factors. A week of unusual sunshine, or a night of late frost, or a

ring in the freights, or violent speculation, might easily swamp and

cover the operation of such a small duty; but it is the opinion of

those whose economic views I share--I cannot put it higher than

that--that whatever circumstances may apparently conceal the effect of

the duty on prices, the effect is there all the same, and that any

duty that is imposed upon a commodity becomes a factor in the price of

that commodity. I should have thought that was an almost incontestable

proposition.

Here you have the two different sides of the bargain, the sellers and

the buyers, the sellers trying to get all they can, and the buyers

trying to give as little as they can. An elaborate process of what is

called "the higgling of the market" goes on all over the world between

exchanges linked up by telegraph, whose prices vary to a sixteenth

and a thirty-second. We are invited to believe that with all that

subtle process of calculation made from almost minute to minute

throughout the year, the imposition of a duty or demand for L1,000,000

or L2,000,000 for this or that Government, placed suddenly upon the

commodity in question as a tax, makes no difference whatever to the

cost to the consumer; that it is borne either by the buyer or by the

seller, or provided in some magical manner. As a matter of fact, the

seller endeavours to transmit the burden to the purchaser, and the

purchaser places it upon the consumer as opportunity may occur in

relation to the general market situation all over the world.

That is by way of digression, only to show that we believe that a tax

on a commodity is a factor in its price, which I thought was a

tolerably simple proposition. What a dangerous thing it will be, year

after year, to associate the idea of Empire, of our kith and kin

beyond the seas, of these great, young, self-governing Dominions in

which our people at present take so much pride, with an enhancement,

however small, in the price of the necessary commodities of the life

and the industry of Britain! It seems to me that, quite apart from

the Parliamentary difficulty to which I have referred, which I think

would tend to organise and create anti-Colonial sentiment, you would,

by the imposition of duties upon the necessaries of life and of

industry, breed steadily year by year, and accumulate at the end of a

decade a deep feeling of sullen hatred of the Colonies, and of

Colonial affairs among those poorer people in this country to whom Mr.

Lloyd George referred so eloquently yesterday, and whose case, when

stated, appeals to the sympathy of every one round this table. That

would be a great disaster.

But there is another point which occurs to me, and which I would

submit respectfully to the Conference in this connection. Great

fluctuations occur in the price of all commodities which are subject

to climatic influences. We have seen enormous fluctuations in meat and

cereals and in food-stuffs generally from time to time in the world's

markets. Although we buy in the markets of the whole world we observe

how much the price of one year varies from that of another year. These

fluctuations are due to causes beyond our control. We cannot control

the causes which make the earth refuse her fruits at a certain

season, nor can we, unfortunately, at present, control the speculation

which always arises when an unusual stringency is discovered. Compared

to these forces, the taxes which you suggest should be imposed upon

food and raw materials might, I admit, be small, but they would be the

only factor in price which would be absolutely in our control.

If, from circumstances which we may easily imagine, any of the great

staple articles which were the subject of preference should be driven

up in price to an unusual height, there would be a demand--and I think

an irresistible demand--in this country that the tax should be

removed. The tax would bear all the unpopularity. People would say:

"This, at any rate, we can take off, and relieve the burden which is

pressing so heavily upon us." But now see the difficulty in which we

should then be involved. At present all our taxes are under our own

control. An unpopular tax can be removed; if the Government will not

remove it they can be turned out and another Government to remove the

tax can be got from the people by election. It can be done at once.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer can come down to the House and the

tax can be repealed if there is a sufficiently fierce demand for it.

But these food taxes by which you seek to bind the Empire

together--these curious links of Empire which you are asking us to

forge laboriously now--would be irremovable, and upon them would

descend the whole weight and burden of popular anger in time of

suffering. They would be irremovable, because fixed by treaty with

self-governing Dominions scattered about all over the world, and in

return for those duties we should have received concessions in

Colonial tariffs on the basis of which their industries would have

grown up tier upon tier through a long period of time.

Although, no doubt, another Conference hastily assembled might be able

to break the shackle which would fasten us--to break that fiscal bond

which would join us together and release us from the obligation--that

might take a great deal of time. Many Parliaments and Governments

would have to be consulted, and all the difficulties of distance would

intervene to prevent a speedy relief from that deadlock. If the day

comes in this country when you have a stern demand--and an

overwhelming demand of a Parliament, backed by a vast population

suffering acutely from high food-prices--that the taxes should be

removed, and on the other hand the Minister in charge has to get up

and say that he will bring the matter before the next Colonial

Conference two years hence, or that he will address the

representatives of the Australian or Canadian Governments through the

agency of the Colonial Office, and that in the meanwhile nothing can

be done--when you have produced that situation, then, indeed, you will

have exposed the fabric of the British Empire to a wrench and a shock

which it has never before received, and which any one who cares about

it, cannot fail to hope that it may never sustain.

Such a deadlock could not be relieved merely by goodwill on either

side. When you begin to deflect the course of trade, you deflect it in

all directions and for all time in both countries which are parties to

the bargain. Your industries in your respective Colonies would have

exposed themselves to a more severe competition from British goods in

their markets, and would have adjusted themselves on a different

basis, in consequence. Some Colonial producers would have made

sacrifices in that respect for the sake of certain advantages which

were to be gained by other producers in their country through a

favoured entry into our market. That one side of the bargain could be

suddenly removed, without inflicting injustice on the other party to

the bargain, appears to me an impossibility.

I submit that preferences, even if economically desirable, would prove

an element of strain and discord in the structure and system of the

British Empire. Why, even in this Conference, what has been the one

subject on which we have differed sharply? It has been this question

of preference. It has been the one apple of discord which has been

thrown into the arena of our discussions. It is quite true we meet

here with a great fund of goodwill on everybody's part, on the part of

the Mother Country and on the part of the representatives of the

self-governing Dominions--a great fund of goodwill which has been

accumulated over a long period of time when each party to this great

confederation has been free to pursue its own line of development

unchecked and untrammelled by interference from the other.

We have that to start upon, and consequently have been able to discuss

in a very frank and friendly manner all sorts of questions. We have

witnessed the spectacle of the British Minister in charge of the trade

of this country defending at length and in detail the fiscal

system--the purely domestic, internal fiscal system of this

country--from very severe, though perfectly friendly and courteous

criticism on the part of the other self-governing communities. If that

fund of goodwill to which I have referred had been lacking, if ever a

Conference had been called together when there was an actual

anti-colonial party in existence, when there was really a deep hatred

in the minds of a large portion of the people of this country against

the Colonies and against taxation which was imposed at the request or

desire of the Colonies, then I think it is quite possible that a

Conference such as this would not pass off in the smooth and friendly

manner in which this has passed off.

You would hear recrimination and reproaches exchanged across the

table; you would hear assertions made that the representatives of the

different States who were parties to the Conference were not really

representatives of the true opinion of their respective populations,

that the trend of opinion in the country which they professed to

represent was opposed to their policy and would shortly effect a

change in the views which they put forward. You would find all these

undemocratic assertions that representatives duly elected do not

really speak in the name of their people, and you would, of course,

find appeals made over the heads of the respective Governments to the

party organisations which supported them or opposed them in the

respective countries from which they came. That appears to me to open

up possibilities of very grave and serious dangers in the structure

and fabric of the British Empire, from which I think we ought to

labour to shield it.

My right honourable friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer has told

the Conference with perfect truth--in fact it may have been even an

under-estimate--that if he were to propose the principle of preference

in the present House of Commons, it would be rejected by a majority of

three to one. But even if the present Government could command a

majority for the system, they would have no intention whatever of

proposing it. It is not because we are not ready to run electoral

risks that we decline to be parties to a system of preference; still

less is it because the present Government is unwilling to make

sacrifices, in money or otherwise, in order to weave the Empire more

closely together. I think a very hopeful deflection has been given to

our discussion when it is suggested that we may find a more convenient

line of advance by improving communications, rather than by erecting

tariffs--by making roads, as it were, across the Empire, rather than

by building walls. It is because we believe the principle of

preference is positively injurious to the British Empire, and would

create, not union, but discord, that we have resisted the proposal.

It has been a source of regret to all of us that on this subject we

cannot come to an agreement. A fundamental difference of opinion on

economics, no doubt, makes agreement impossible; but although we

regret that, I do not doubt that in the future, when Imperial

unification has been carried to a stage which it has not now reached,

and will not, perhaps, in our time attain, people in that more

fortunate age will look back to the Conference of 1907 as a date in

the history of the British Empire when one grand wrong turn was

successfully avoided.

FOOTNOTES:

[2] The following, among others, were present at the Conference:

The Earl of Elgin, Secretary of State for the Colonies; Sir Wilfrid

Laurier, Prime Minister of Canada; Sir F.W. Borden, Minister of Militia

and Defence (Canada); Mr. L.P. Brodeur, Minister of Marine and

Fisheries (Canada); Mr. Deakin, Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of

Australia; Sir W. Lyne, Minister of Trade and Customs (Australia); Sir

Joseph Ward, Prime Minister of New Zealand; Dr. L.S. Jameson, Prime

Minister of Cape Colony; Dr. Smartt, Commissioner of Public Works (Cape

Colony); Sir Robert Bond, Prime Minister of Newfoundland; Mr. F.R.

Moor, Prime Minister of Natal; General Botha, Prime Minister of the

Transvaal; Sir J.L. Mackay, on behalf of the India Office.

[3] The Prime Minister of Natal.

IMPERIAL PREFERENCE

II

HOUSE OF COMMONS, _July 15, 1907_

Mr. Lyttelton had moved the following vote of censure:

"That this House regrets that his Majesty's Government

have declined the invitation unanimously preferred by the

Prime Ministers of the self-governing Colonies, to

consider favourably any form of Colonial Preference or

any measures for closer commercial union of the Empire on

a preferential basis." (Mr. Lyttelton.)

This was met on behalf of the Government by the following

Amendment:

"To leave out all after the word 'that' and add the words

'In the opinion of this House, the permanent unity of the

British Empire will not be secured through a system of

preferential duties based upon the protective taxation of

food.'" (Mr. Soares)

The vote of censure was rejected, and the Amendment carried

by 404 to 111.

A vote of censure is a very serious thing. When it is moved with great

formality on behalf of the official Opposition, it is intended always

to raise a plain and decisive issue. I must, however, observe that of

all the votes of censure which have been proposed in recent times in

this House, the one we are now discussing is surely the most curious.

The last Government was broken up three years ago on this very

question of Imperial preference. After the Government had been broken

up, a continuous debate proceeded in the country for two years and a

half, and it was terminated by the general election. This Parliament

is the result of that election, and there is not a single gentleman on

this Ministerial Bench who is not pledged, in the most specific terms,

not to grant a preferential tariff to the Colonies. Now, because we

have kept that promise, because we are opposed to preferential

tariffs, because we have declined to grant preferential tariffs, and

because we have done what all along we declared we were going to do,

and were returned to do, we are made the object of this vote of

censure.

It may be said, "We do not blame you for keeping your promise, but for

making the pledge." But what did the Leader of the Opposition promise?

He promised most emphatically before the election that if he were in

power as Prime Minister when this Colonial Conference took place, he

would not grant preference to the Colonies. On many occasions the

right hon. gentleman said that not one, but two elections would be

necessary before he would be entitled to take that tremendous step. I

have the right hon. gentleman's words here. Speaking at Manchester in

January 1905, the right hon. gentleman said: "If that scheme were

carried out, I do not see that we could be called on to decide the

colonial aspect of this question until not only one, but two elections

have passed." Yet the right hon. gentleman is prepared, I presume, to

join in a vote of censure on his Majesty's Government for not granting

that preference which he himself was prohibited from granting by the

most precise and particular engagement.

Is it a vote of censure on the Government at all? Is it not really a

vote of censure on the general election? Is it not a cry of petulant

vexation at the natural, ordinary, long-expected sequence of events?

The right hon. gentleman[4] who moved the Resolution made a very mild

and conciliatory speech. But he confined himself to generalities. He

avoided anything like a statement of concrete proposals which he

thinks the Government ought to adopt. Those who take part in this

controversy nowadays avoid any statement of the concrete proposals

that would follow if their view were adopted. We are told what a

splendid thing preference is, what noble results it would achieve,

what inexpressible happiness and joy it would bring to all parts of

the Empire and to all parts of the earth, what wealth would be

created, how the Exchequer would gain, and how the food of the people

would cheapen in price. But, though the Government is blamed for not

acting on these suggestions, we are never told what is the schedule of

taxes which it is proposed to introduce to give effect to these

splendid and glittering aspirations.

It is perfectly impossible to discuss colonial preference apart from

the schedule of duties on which it is to be based. It is idle to

attempt to discuss it without a definite proposal as to the subjects

of taxation and as to the degree to which those different subjects are

to be taxed. And the right hon. gentleman the Member for West

Birmingham, when he dealt with this question, felt that in common

fairness he must be precise and definite. We know what he proposed in

the way of taxation on corn, meat, fruit, and dairy produce. What we

want to know is this. Is that tariff before us now? Do the Opposition

stand by the right hon. Member for West Birmingham, or do they abandon

him? That is what the House and the Government want to know--and that

is what the Colonies want to know. It is indispensable to the

discussion of this question that there should be a clear statement

from the Leader of the Opposition whether or not we are to regard the

Glasgow preferential tariff of the right hon. Member for West

Birmingham as still current as a practical policy.

Then the House has been told that the Government might have given a

preference on dutiable articles. Such a preference would introduce

into our fiscal system an entirely new, and, as the Government think,

the wholly vicious feature of discriminating between one class of

producers and another. The whole basis of our financial and fiscal

policy is, that it draws no distinction whatever between different

classes of producers, whether they reside here or abroad, whether they

live in foreign countries or in our Colonies. I am quite prepared to

state that proposition in its simplest form. That is the fundamental

principle of our fiscal system, and there is no discrimination. We

have but one measure to give to those who trade with us--the just

measure of equality, and there can be no better measure than that.

We are charged with pedantry in dealing with the Colonial Conference,

through not making some concession upon existing dutiable articles.

The Colonial representatives, when they asked for a preference on wine

and tobacco, did not ask for it because it was of value to them by

itself. They knew well that the operation of such a preference must be

unfair and unequal. They knew well that Canada, which has the most

solid claims upon us for a preferential recognition, would receive no

benefit from such a preference. But the Colonial representatives of

South Africa asked for a preference on wine and tobacco in order that,

as they avowed with candour, we should "concede the principle." That

is a perfectly proper proceeding on their part; it is the natural way

of advancing the views which they hold, because it would lead up to

the larger principle and the larger policy.

But the Government are opposed in this case to "the larger policy."

The Government sit now on these Benches because they are opposed to it

as a Government and as a Party. It is one of the fundamental

conditions of our existence that we are opposed to such a policy. How,

then, by any process of argument, can the Government be censured for

not making an exception which must inevitably have led to and would

avowedly have been used for the breaking of the great rule to which

they have committed themselves?

It is a dangerous thing in this controversy, with the ugly rush of

vested interests always lying in the wake of the Protectionist

movement to be considered, to make even verbal concessions. Some time

ago I made a speech in which I said that there was no objection to the

extension of inter-colonial preference. By this I meant the reduction

of duties between Colonies which have already a discriminating tariff;

and it seemed to me in such a case that there is a net reduction of

duty to the good. I do not see any objection to that, because under

the most-favoured-nation principle we gain any advantage which is

gained by either party to the transaction. In any case, the sums

involved in inter-colonial preference at the present time are

extremely small, and, however that might be, the matter is one which

is wholly outside our control, because we have no authority over the

Colonies in this respect, and we may just as well look pleasant about

it and accord a sympathetic attitude to such a process.

Yes; but let those who reproach us with pedantry and with not showing

a sympathetic desire to meet the Colonies listen to this: When such a

statement is made by a Minister, is it accepted as a desire on the

part of the Government to extend sympathetic treatment to the

Colonies? Not at all. It is taken as an admission, and used for the

purpose of trying to pretend that the Government have abandoned the

principle of their opposition to the larger question of Imperial

preference. If, although we think them unsatisfactory, we were, out of

complaisance, to accord the small preferences suggested upon dutiable

articles, we should be told in a minute that we had given up every

logical foothold against preference, and that nothing prevented us

imposing a tax on bread and meat except our inability to follow the

drift of our own arguments.

I have referred to preference, but there is another proposal. The

right hon. gentleman the Member for St. George's, Hanover Square, put

forward a proposal earlier in the year, and it was renewed in a

slightly different form by Mr. Deakin[5] at the Conference. The

proposal was to impose a 1 per cent. _ad valorem_ surtax on all

foreign merchandise coming into the ports of the British Empire. That

is the proposal which has been put forward as the least objectionable

form of the preferential proposals, and it has been said of it that it

was the least objectionable because it gave no loophole for the

corruption which may spring up in the wake of the other proposals.

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