A CONVERSATION WITH SHAKESPEARE IN THE ELYSIAN FIELDS

I am aware that, in these days, when realism is all the rage and true

imagination at a discount, people will ask how, not being either an AEneas

or a Dante, I came to be admitted to an actual sight of the Elysian

Fields, and will not be fobbed off by any fanciful explanation such as

used to satisfy the more unsophisticated reader of former times. I

therefore hasten to satisfy their exacting curiosity by saying that I

happen to have done a good turn of late to the Pagan gods--not forgetting

the goddesses, whom one should always have on one's side, since they hold

the keys of the position equally on earth, in the air, and

underground--and they made their acknowledgments to me by letting me know

that I might have my choice of an interview with any one, but only one, of

the personages among those who are now disporting themselves in the other

world. At first, I was rather tempted to name Eve, in order that I might

get an intelligible account from the most trustworthy source of the Tree

of Knowledge and the Tree of Good and Evil. But I thought she perhaps

would know as little about them as myself; so I thought I would ask for an

interview, with either Helen of Troy or with Cleopatra, when it suddenly

struck me that I should probably find both one and the other not very

unlike women I had already come across here in this upper world. So,

anxious to know whether or not there ever was a real flesh-and-blood

Shakespeare, and explaining that, if there was not, I had not the smallest

desire to have a talk with my Lord Verulam, I said, "Let me have a

colloquy with Shakespeare, the wisest, sweetest, wittiest,

largest-hearted, biggest-brained of human beings"; and, almost before I

had finished the sentence, I found myself in the Elysian Fields.

At first, I forgot what I was there for at all, in my amazement at the

place itself. Though I am a tolerably close observer of external Nature, I

could not for the life of me surmise what season of the year I was in, and

finally perceived that I was in all the four seasons at one and the same

time. Primroses and bluebells were to be seen side by side with roses and

irises, with meadowsweet and traveller's joy, grass ready for the scythe

not far from swaying wheat and heavily-burred hop-garden; while, well

within view, I could see slopes of virgin snow, and folks making ready to

go tobogganing on them. It was just the same with bird-life. Stormcock,

nightingale, cuckoo, corncrake, woodpecker, robin redbreast, were all

singing together, yet there was no discord in the concert.

"You want to see me, I am told," I heard some one say behind me, and,

turning, I at once perceived that it was Shakespeare, not from the

striking resemblance to any of the portraits or busts, Droeshout, Chandos,

Stratford-on-Avon, or other effigy, but by his seeming to be compounded of

them all, with something superadded that I could recall in none of them.

Similarly, he did not seem to be of any particular age, either of youth,

early manhood, middle life, or yet elderly, but compounded of all the

years, at once young and engaging, in the grand climacteric, and withal

full of mellow wisdom. His eye glowed with fine frenzy, withal was tender

and melting as that of a boy-lover. I could not fail to observe this

extraordinary combination of ages and qualities; yet they did not strike

me as in any way incongruous, any more than I had found incongruity in all

the seasons being contemporaneous, and blossom and fruit subsisting

together. I had expected to be rather embarrassed and somewhat overawed on

first coming across this king of men; but his manner was so simple, so

frank and friendly, that he put me at my ease at once, and I ventured to

inquire if, in the Elysian Fields, they had any knowledge of what was

going on in the world they had once inhabited.

"Ample knowledge," he replied, "though we are not troubled with

newspapers, nor yet tormented by telegrams or telephones, but confine our

regard to what interests us."

"Have you happened to notice," I asked, "that _A Winter's Tale_ has

recently been produced at His Majesty's Theatre?"

"Yes, and all the more because that indefatigable manager and

all-embracing actor, Mr. Tree, has not taken a part in it. He would have

rendered Autolycus very suitably."

"Perhaps," I went on, since I now felt on a footing of the most friendly

familiarity with one I had hitherto always thought of at a respectful

distance, "perhaps you have observed some of the criticisms on the play."

"To tell the truth," he replied, "I have not. There were few such things

in my time, save by the audience; and my recollection of what few there

were does not dispose me to read fresh ones. But, if they have said

anything instructive or amusing, I shall be most happy to hear it."

"I am afraid," I said, "they are more amusing than instructive."

"Then let me have them by all means. The only thing one is sometimes

tempted to find fault with in the Elysian Fields is that its denizens are

a trifle too serious for me; being just as much inclined as ever to say,

when I find myself in the company of my fellow-creatures, 'With mirth and

laughter let me play the fool.'"

Thus encouraged, I said that one critic had pronounced the play to be dull

as drama, and inferior as poetry; Autolycus to be a bore, yet by no means

the only tiresome feature in the play; the plot to be a succession of gaps

and puerilities; and that another observed what a pity it was you had made

Leontes a lunatic, a raving maniac, and a nuisance. As I recounted these

opinions, I could see no sign of annoyance on the face of the playwright,

but only a philosophic smile illumining his tranquil features.

"I seem," he said, "to have heard that some time ago some one commented on

the meanness of the fable and the extravagant conduct of it, and declared

that the comedy caused no mirth, and the serious portion no concernment. I

daresay there is truth in the first part of the criticism, but, in regard

to the second, I seem to remember that, at the Globe, there was a good

deal of mirth at the lighter scenes, and no small attention at the grave

ones. But perhaps audiences in my day were different from audiences in

yours. I am by no means sure that I wrote the whole of the play; indeed I

am pretty certain I did not. My chief share in it was the love-scene

between Florizel and Perdita."

"Which I have always thought very beautiful, and the very opposite of

'inferior as poetry.'"

"Very good of you to say so; for I much enjoyed writing it. For the rest,

I suspect that a change has come over audiences, and still more over those

people whom you call critics. From what I have heard, they appear not to

confine themselves to appraising what is offered them, but want authors to

offer them something quite different, which is scarcely reasonable.

Moreover, they impute to an author motives he did not entertain, and ends

he did not have in view. For instance, I am supposed by them to have been

a rather successful delineator of character; overlooking the fact that I

over and over again cast character to the winds, in favour of the

situation, to which one surrendered oneself only too willingly, because in

doing so one was enabled to indulge one's humour and temperament more

freely and fully."

"Am I right," I asked, "in thinking that your humour and temperament lay

chiefly in a keen enjoyment of rural nature, the delineation of love

between men and women, and philosophic reflections on the various passions

of human beings?"

"You put it rather flatteringly," he said. "But I will not deny that what

you say concerning one's disposition is true. The external world is so

beautiful, loving and being loved are so delightful, and human beings are

so interesting, that it is a writer's own defect if he does not make them

appear beautiful, delightful, and interesting to others, no matter in what

form he presents them. If he has what you call the way with him, he will

make you accept as true almost any story, so long as he is telling it, no

matter what you may think of it afterwards. As a famous poet and critic

said long ago, _Incredulus odi_. Men naturally turn away from what seems

incredible. But what seems somewhat incredible when only read, appears

credible enough when acted, if acted well; and Ellen Terry was so

attractive and winning in her treatment of Polixenes, that the conjugal

jealousy of Leontes becomes, at least, almost intelligible."

"That was exactly what I myself felt the other day, when I went to see the

performance," I said. "But I observe you quote Horace, though many persons

have maintained that you had little Latin, if any."

"Rather a mistake that, arising, I imagine, from their not knowing what

Grammar Schools were like in my time, when we were taught something more

than the rudiments of Latin, with the assistance of prompt corporal

chastisement if we showed a disinclination to master them. Nowadays, I

see, the birch, the ferule, and the cane, have fallen into disfavour, with

the result that many English boys, at schools supposed to be very superior

in the education they provide, refuse to learn anything except cricket and

rowing; two excellent accomplishments, but not quite covering the whole

ground of a liberal education."

"May I inquire," I said, "if you, among others, had a liberal application

of the cane?"

"My fair share," he said, "but not for refusing to learn, since I enjoyed

being taught, and, still more, teaching myself; and a very little

learning, though some people have said it is a dangerous thing, goes a

long way if you only know how to turn it to account. My thrashings, which

were richly deserved, were given for being behindhand of a morning because

I had loitered with some rustic sight or sound that arrested me, and

suchlike irregularities of conduct. But what was taught us was taught

thoroughly, and I have sometimes thought that men deemed poets may be

taught and learn too much, as, for instance, my good friend Ben Jonson,

who has been justly compared to a heavy galleon, though a very well

trimmed and steered one, but which perhaps would sometimes have benefited

by a portion of its dead weight being cast overboard. Still he was a rare

poet all the same."

"Who is that, may I ask, with the pointed beard, that has just been joking

with a rubicund friar whom I no longer see, and then more gravely with a

seemly and tender-looking young woman, also vanished 'into air, into thin

air,' while he now stoops to gather daisies from the grass? I seem to know

his face."

"That is a delightful fellow, perhaps of all my companions here the most

congenial; the morning star of English song, Geoffrey Chaucer. _He_ could,

and did, delineate character consistently if you like. I think it is his

cheerful, kindly sense of humour that recommends him so strongly to me.

But a nearer contemporary of mine in the other world whom you see there,

wearing an aspect of stately distinction, essentially what English folk

call a perfect gentleman, likewise enters much into the study of my

imagination. See! Now he turns his face towards you."

"Surely it is Edmund Spenser, is it not?"

"Yes, the Poet's poet. His verse is at once so natural and so noble, as to

be irresistible. I often repeat to myself two exquisitely musical and

briefly descriptive lines of his:

A little lowly Hermitage it was,

Down in a dale, hard by a forest side.

No amount of elaboration and detail would enable one to see the Hermitage

better, or indeed, as well; and the lyrical freedom of the ostensibly

iambic verse gives to it an irresistible charm."

"And, over and over again, if I may say so, gives to the blank verse of

your dramas the same magical quality that a more stately treatment of it

can never confer. But where is Milton?"

"One sees him but seldom," he replied; "and when Chaucer and I do catch

sight of him, we behave rather like truant schoolboys, and put on a grave

face, especially if he finds us in one of our lighter moods. We are all

rather in awe of him, for he never stoops to playfulness; and Chaucer, who

is rather irreverent sometimes, says he is so uniformly sublime as now and

then to be ridiculous. But, in our hearts, we greatly revere him. To tell

the truth, I think he prefers Wordsworth's company to ours; and we find

more congenial society from time to time in--look! that handsome youth,

who carries his head with unconscious pride, and even here seems

half-discontented. The best is never good enough for him, and he cannot be

deluded even by his own illusions, poor fellow!"

"It's Byron," I said, "is it not?"

"Yes, there is no mistaking him; part man, part god, part devil. I believe

there was some doubt about admitting him here, lest he should rouse even

the Elysian Fields to mutiny, and a question whether he should not have an

enclosure all to himself. But he is a man of the world, and knows how to

behave himself when he chooses; and, when one of his misanthropic moods

comes over him, he wanders about scowling and muttering like a gathering

thunderstorm. I am told he breaks bounds sometimes to go in search of

Sappho. There would be a pair of them, would there not? What an

explosive power there was in him! for in the mind, as in your melanite,

force packs small."

"And Shelley? Where is Shelley?"

"Where the bee sucks, I suspect; for he is the very Ariel of our company;

ever, even here, in search of the unattainable! But he is a great

favourite with all of us, he is so lovable."

"And the poet who has delighted my own generation," I inquired. "Surely he

is among you."

"Not yet," he replied; "though I have not the least doubt he will be, in

due course. No one is admitted here until he has been dead for fifty

years; Time, the door-keeper and guardian of Eternity, being more

deliberate than the janitors of Westminster Abbey, who, you must allow,

make some rather ludicrous blunders in admitting, on the very morrow of

their decease, at the importunity of friends and associates, persons for

whom, half a century later, no one will dream of claiming any special

posthumous distinction."

"I fear that is so," I confessed. "We have been rather fussy and feverish

of late, and attribute to notoriety an enduring power it does not

possess."

"Just so. Notoriety is one thing, Fame quite another. Will not the result

be that men who may without presumption entertain a humble hope that, as

our lofty friend Milton puts it, Posterity will not willingly let die all

that they may have done or written, will feel a distaste for these

precipitate distinctions, and even take precautions against them. We

notice that something of the same kind is taking place among you in regard

to what you call titular honours, since they have become so common, and

are lavished on such undistinguished persons, as to be no longer valued by

the truly distinguished."

"That is so," I said; "but it is inevitable in these days, and probably

useful to the State, satisfying a number of small ambitions."

"I understand," he replied; and I thought to myself, of course he does, he

who understood everything. "In these days it is more important to satisfy

the many," he went on, "than to content the few, and persons of real

distinction must always be few; and, after all, if these are wise as well

as distinguished, they must be content with anything that ministers to the

welfare of the community at large."

It was so interesting to me to hear this great dramatist and supreme poet

talking wisdom in this familiar manner, like any ordinary being, that I

made the most of my opportunity, and asked him if he thought what he had

just said served to explain the magnificent manner in which his plays are

presented to modern audiences, and if he approved of such presentation.

"I should approve," he replied, "if there were no danger of the mounting

of the piece diverting the attention of the audience from the play itself,

and if it did not appear necessary to modern stage-managers to cut out

whatever does not easily lend itself to spectacular devices. I quite

understand their motive; for, having been in my time not only an actor,

but part proprietor, and part stage-manager of theatres, I do not forget

that they must take into consideration the material results of their

enterprise. But my colleagues and I contrived to make a fair livelihood

out of our theatres without any large outlay on the scenery or the

dresses. Apparently, your modern audiences would yawn at, and not

understand, speeches that not only the courtiers of Elizabeth, but the

citizens of Blackfriars and the Chepe, listened to with rapt and

straining ears. We observe that you pique yourselves upon what you call

the progress you have made during the last three hundred years, and some

of us are rather amused at the self-complacent claim; and, though you

travel much faster, live much more luxuriously, and blow each other to

pieces more successfully than we did, it may be doubted if men's minds

have made much advance, or if their intellectual qualities are not,

notwithstanding the increase of what you deem education, poorer and more

stinted than when the bulk of the nation read less, but reflected more."

"In one respect," I ventured to say, "you can hardly withhold your

sympathy from the claim of our having made progress. We no longer regard

actors as vagabonds."

"I am not quite so sure of that," he said, with a significant smile.

"Myself an actor as well as an author, my utterances in the second

capacity respecting the former are not particularly flattering; and the

fuss you have of late made over actors and actresses, as over millionaires

and transatlantic heiresses, is perhaps evidence less of admiration than

of self-interest, and an appetite for diversion."

"But," I observed, "an actor was recently buried, with the customary

honours, in Westminster Abbey."

"But did everybody approve of it? Milton took care to inform me that many

did not; but my withers remained unwrung, and I playfully replied that I

was rather disposed to think that special form of posthumous

acknowledgment might not unsuitably be reserved for actors and

politicians--the author of _Paradise Lost_ was, every now and then, an

active politician, was he not?--since the two have much in common, both

appealing to their audiences by voice, intonation, gesticulation, and

pursuit of popularity, and enjoying a wide but ephemeral notoriety."

I remembered the passage in _Henry the Sixth_ where he says that he hates

"the loud applause and _aves_ vehement" of the many, and of his little

esteem for those who "affect" such, and I followed up that silent

recollection by saying:

"And, after all, Milton, Pope, Byron, Wordsworth, Keats, lie far away from

that edifice; also, I might add, one greater than any of them--yourself."

"Dear old Stratford-on-Avon!" he said, as though he were musing rather

than addressing himself to me. "I am well content to be sepulchred there.

How I loved it! How I love it still! And how much I owed to it! My works,

such as they are, have in your ingenious age been attributed to one much

more nobly born, more highly educated, more deeply read, more erudite,

than I. They who started, and those who have accepted, that theory, little

understand that no such man could have written them. Whatever may be their

merit or demerit, their author could only be one who, born in a modest

condition, began by having the closest touch with frank unaffected human

nature, and for whom life and society expanded by degrees, until, though

still preferring the life removed, he could tell sad stories of the death

of kings, find books in the running brooks, and good in everything."

As he slowly uttered these familiar majestic words, he faded from my

sight; and all that was left was an enduring recollection of that

privileged interview.

Footnotes:

[1] In estimating Byron, people too often forget that the same poet wrote

_Manfred_ and _Beppo_, _Childe Harold_ and _Don Juan_. It is the variety,

in other words the extent, of Byron's genius, that constitutes his

greatness.

[2] The renderings into English verse from Dante are by the author of the

paper.

Transcriber's Notes:

Passages in italics are indicated by _italics_.

The misprint "Wordworth" was corrected to "Wordsworth" (page 181).

Hyphenation inconsistencies have been retained from the original.

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