Gregory had three aunts by the father's side, who all became nuns. One

of them, Tarsilla, a lady of pious and beatified life, and of very

advanced age, had one night a vision of Pope Felix, who was then dead.

He seemed to point towards the mansions of eternal glory, and to invite

her to enter. She soon after sickened, and her end visibly approached.

While a number of her friends were standing around her couch, she

suddenly exclaimed, looking upwards, "Stand aside, stand aside, Jesus is

coming;" and with a look of ineffable love, she presently expired. This

story is related by St. Gregory.

This Pope is the best known of the four on account of his relationship

to St. Gregory.

The fourth of the name was also a confessor. His festival occurs on the

30th January.

J. A. S.

Edinburgh, May 27. 1850.

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REPLIES TO NUMISMATIC QUERIES.

I beg to offer the following remarks in reply to the numismatic queries

of E. S. T. (Vol. i., p. 468.):--

1. I can only account for the Macedonian coin being struck in lead, by

supposing it to be the work of an ancient forger.

2. Third brass coins of Tiberius are not uncommon; I have one in my

cabinet of the sort described. Obv. head of Tiberius, TI. CAESAR. DIVI.

AVG. F. AVGVSTVS; Rev. the altar of Lyons, ROM. ET. AVG.

3. The coin of Herennia Etruscilla is probably a base or plated

denarius, the silver having been worn off. Silver coins sometimes

acquire a black tarnish, so that they are not to be distinguished from

brass without filing the edge, or steeping them in acid. If a genuine

brass coin, it should have the S. C. for _Senatus Consultum_.

4. The coin of Macrinus was struck at Antioch in Syria, of which famous

city there exists a regular series of imperial coins from Augustus to

Valerian. One in my possession has ~Delta~ above the S. C., and

~Epsilon~ below for ~DÊMARCH. EXOUSIAS~, _Tribunitia Potestate_. May not

these be the letters described by E. S. T. as L. C.?

J. C. WITTON.

_Coins of Constantius II._--Can any numismatist kindly inform me by what

marks the coins of Constantius II., the son of Constantine the Great,

are distinguished from those of Constantius Gallus, his nephew? Mr.

Akerman, in his _Rare and Inedited Roman Coins_, gives the following

titles as common to both, but does not afford any rule for appropriating

their coins:--

CONSTANTIVS. NOB. CAES.

FL. IVL. CONSTANTIVS. NOB. CAES.

D. N. CONSTANTIVS. NOB. C.

D. N. CONSTANTIVS. NOB. CAES.

J. C. WITTON.

* * * * *

AS LAZY AS LUDLUM'S DOG.

(Vol. i., p. 382.)

I feel obliged by the extract from the _Doctor_ given by J. M. B. (Vol.

i., p. 475.), though it only answers by a kind of implication the Query

I proposed. That implication is, that, instead of Ludlum and his dog

being personages of distinction in their own way and in their own day,

the proverb itself is merely one framed on the principle of

alliteration, and without precise or definite "meaning." This is very

full of meaning, as anyone may convince himself by observing the active

energy of every muscle of all dogs in the act of barking. What can

typify "laziness" more emphatically than a dog that "lays him[self] down

to bark?"

A _jingle_ of some kind is essential to a proverb. If a phrase or

expression have not this, it never "takes" with the masses; whilst,

having this, and being capable of any possible and common application,

it is sure to live, either as a proverb or a "saw," as the case may be.

Alliteration and rhyme are amongst the most frequent of these "jingles;"

and occasionally a "pun" supplies their place very effectively. We find

these conditions fulfilled in the proverbs and saws of every people in

the eastern and western world, alike in the remotest antiquity and in

our own time. But are they therefore "without meaning?" Do not these

qualities help to give them meaning, as well as to preserve them through

their long and varied existence?

But there is another principle equally essential to the constitution of

a legitimate and lasting proverb; or rather two conjointly, _metre_ {43}

and _euphony_. These may be traced in the proverb as completely as in

the ballad; and precisely the same contrivances are employed to effect

them in both cases where any ruggedness in the natural collocation of

the words may present itself. For instance, change in the accent, the

elision or the addition of a letter or syllable, the lengthening of a

vowel, transposition, and a hundred other little artifices. The euphony

itself, though sometimes a little imperfect, is also studied with the

same kind of care in the older and purer proverbs of all languages.

Attention to metre and euphony will generally enable us to assign,

amongst the forms in which we pick up and note any particular proverb,

the original and legitimate one; especially when combined with brevity

and "pith." As a case in point, our friend Ludlum will serve our purpose

for comparison. Who does not see at a glance, taking account of the

principles which govern the construction of a proverb, that the

Sheffield version, as I gave it, _must be_ more genuine than Southey's

version, quoted by J. M. B.? Besides this, I may add, that a friend,

whose early days were spent in Sheffield, has told, me (since the Query

was proposed) that he has heard his mother tell some legend of "the fat

Miss Ludlum." After all, therefore, the proverb may be founded on a fat

old maid and her fat poodle. I can hardly, then, deem my inquiry

answered.

J. M. B. quotes two others from the _Doctor_; one for the purpose, as

would appear by his marking the words, to illustrate the alliterative

principle. The following are variations which I have heard:--"As proud

as the cobbler's dog, that took [or _as_ took--the most general

vernacular form, for the sake of euphony] the wall of a dung-cart, and

got crushed for his pains." "As queer as Dick's hatband as went nine

times round and wouldn't tie."

On these I will only remark, that few persons would pronounce dung-cart

as J. M. B. implies, even for alliteration; and, indeed, when so even

marked to the eye, it is not without an effort that we can read

accordingly. As to Dick's hatband, it is expressed in a peculiarly

clumsy and round-about manner by Southey.

One word more. J. M. B. quotes as a _proverb_--one of those without

meaning--"As busy as Batty;" and says, "no one knows who Batty was."

Surely, the inference that Batty was not a real personage in some

distant age--that he was a mere myth--must be a _non sequitur_ from the

premises before us. Perhaps Mr. Batty was a person of notable

industry--perhaps remarkable for always beings in a "fluster"--perhaps

the rural Paul Pry of his day and district. He has left, too, a large

progeny; whether as regards the name alone, or whichever of the

characters he bore.

This jingle upon words partakes largely of the character of the _pun_.

It, however, reminds me of a mode of speech which universally prevailed

in the north of Lincolnshire thirty years ago, and which probably does

so yet. A specimen will explain the whole:--"I'm as throng as throng."

"He looks as black as black." "It's as wet as wet." I have heard this

mode used so as to produce considerable emphasis; and it is more than

possible, that some of the jingles have thus originated, and settled

into proverbs, now without any obvious meaning, but originally very

forcible ones.

D. V. S.

Shooter's Hill, May 18.

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Replies to Minor Queries.

_Lord John Townshend's Poetical Works_ (Vol. ii., p. 9.)--were never, I

believe, collected, nor indeed distinctly known, though they well

deserve to be. He told me himself that he wrote "Jekyl," in what is

called _The Rolliad_; and he mentioned some other of his contributions;

but I did not _make a note_, and regret that I can say no more. Mr.

Rogers or Lord Lansdowne might.

C.

_When Easter ends._--Mr. H. Edwards, in this day's number (No. 31., p.

9.), asks when Easter ends. I fancy this question is in some degree

answered by remarking, that it, together with other festivals of the

Church, viz. The Nativity, &c., are celebrated for eight days, which is

the octave. The reason, says Wheatley, of its

"Being fixed to eight days, is taken from the practice of the

Jews, who, by God's appointment, observed the greater festivals,

some of them for seven days, and one, the Feast of Tabernacles,

for eight days. And therefore the Primitive Christians

lengthened out their higher feast to eight days."

If this be true, Easter will end on the conclusion of the Sunday after

Easter day; but whether our present Parliament is sufficiently Catholic

to admit this, in the interpretation of the Act, is questionable.

In the Spanish Church Easter continues till the feast of Whitsuntide is

past; and during this period all fasts are forbidden.

The Romish Church has ten high festivals having octaves.

I trust this slight sketch may in some way help Mr. Edwards to a

conclusion.

R. J. S.

_When does Easter end?_ (Vol. ii., p. 9.).--In the case stated, at 12

o'clock on the night of Easter Sunday.

C.

_Holdsworth and Fuller._--In A. B. R.'s communication (Vol. i., p. 484.)

some symptoms of inaccuracy must be noted before a satisfactory reply

can be given to his Query.

1. He has erred in adopting the spelling of Holdsworth's name (viz. {44}

Holsworth) which appears in the title-page of _The Valley of Vision_. 2.

This work is very incorrectly styled "the sermon," inasmuch as it

consists of twenty-one sermons. 3. My copy bears date 1661, not 1651. 4.

If Holdsworth's hand was "legible only to himself," we may sincerely

commiserate the misfortune of his nephew, Dr. Richard Pearson, who had

to prepare for the press 737 folio pages of his _Prælectiones

Theologicæ_, &c.: Lond. 1661. 5. There is not the smallest reason for

thinking it "probable" that Dean Holdsworth "preached other men's

sermons." Respecting our great Caroline divines it would seldom have

been right to say--

"Quos (Harpyiarum more)

Convectare juvat prædas, et vivere rapto."

Now, as to what Dr. Holdsworth really wrote, and with regard to that for

which he is not responsible, it is to be observed, that he was so averse

to the publication of any of his works, that he printed but a single

sermon (on Psalm cxliv. 15.), and that not until he had been three times

urged to the task by his royal master King Charles I. The pagination of

this discourse is quite distinct from that of the twenty unauthentic

sermons which follow it in the quarto volume, and which commence at

signature B. These are thus described by Dr. Pearson, _ad Lectorem_:

"Cæteræ quæ prostant Anglicè venales, à prædone illo stenographico tam

laceræ et elumbes, tam miserè deformatæ sunt, ut parum aut nihil

agnoscas genii et spiritûs Holdsworthiani."

R. G.

_Gookin_ (Vol. i., pp. 385, 473, 492.).--Vincent Gookin was nominated by

Cromwell one of the six representatives of Ireland in the Barebones

Parliament; and he was returned for Bandon and Kinsale (which together

sent one member) in each of the three subsequent Cromwellian

Parliaments.

Lord Orrery, writing to the Duke of Ormond, June 15, 1666, speaks of

Captain Robert Gooking, as one of the chief persons in the west of Cork

county, and describes him as rich and having good brains, loyal, and

ready to fight against French or Irish, as every thing he has depends on

his new title. (Orrery's _State Letters_, ii. p. 13. Dublin edition.) A

little further on (p. 43.), Lord Orrery names the same Robert Gooking as

recommended by the chief gentlemen in the west of Cork to be captain of

a troop of horse in the militia.

CH.

"_Brozier_" (Vol. i., p. 485.), "_Sock_," "_Tick._"--I well remember the

phrase, "brozier my dame," signifying to "eat her out of house and

home." I had forgotten that a boy at Eton was "brozier," when he had

spent all his pocket-money. As a supplemental note, however, to Lord

Braybrooke's remarks upon this latter signification, I would remind old

Etonians of a request that would sometimes slip out from one in a

"broziered" state, viz. that a schoolfellow would _sock_ him, _i.e._

treat him to _sock_ at the pastrycook's; and this favour was not

unfrequently granted _on tick, i.e._ on credit with the purveyor of

sweets.

In reply to your noble correspondent's Query, I beg to say that

Halliwell, in his _Dictionary of Archaic and Provincial Words_, both

spells and defines thus: "Brosier. A bankrupt. _Chesh._" Mr. H. says no

more; but this seems to decide that the word does not exclusively belong

to Eton. I could have fancied that on such classic ground it might

possibly have sprung from ~brôskô~, fut. ~-sô~, _to devour_.

Is _sock_ only a corruption of _suck_, indicating a lollipop origin? or

what is its real etymological root?

Richardson most satisfactorily says, that to "go on _tick_" is to give a

note or _ticket_ instead of payment.

ALFRED GATTY.

Ecclesfield, May 27. 1850.

This Eton phrase, the meaning of which is very correctly explained LORD

BRAYBROOKE (Vol. i., p. 485.), appears to be connected with the Cheshire

provincialism, which is thus interpreted in Wilbraham's _Cheshire

Glossary_:--

"'Brosier, _s._ a bankrupt.' It is often used by boys at play,

when one of them has nothing further to stake."

The noun _brosier_, as Mr. Wilbraham indicates, seems to be derived from

the old word _brose_, or, as we now say, _bruise_. A _brosier_ would

therefore mean a broken-down man, and therefore a bankrupt. The verb _to

brosier_, as used at Eton, would easily be formed from the substantive.

In the mediæval Latin, _ruptura_ and _ruptus_ were used to signify

_bankruptcy_ and a _bankrupt_. See Duncange, _Gloss._ in vv.

ETONIENSIS.

The word _brozier_, or (as I always heard it pronounced) _brosier_, does

not, or did not exclusively belong to Eton. It was current at Hackney

School, an establishment formerly on the site of the present Infant

Orphan Asylum, and had the precise meaning attributed to it by Lord

Braybrooke. It was used both as a verb and as a substantive, but of its

origin and etymology I am ignorant. The last master of Hackney School

was the Rev. Dr. Heathcote, who died, I believe, about 1820. The

schoolhouse was a very large and a very old building. May I take this

opportunity of asking if anything is known of its history? There was a

tradition prevalent among the boys, that it had been an hospital in the

time of the Plague.

I recollect there was another singular word current at Hackney, viz.

"buckhorse," for a smart box on the ear. {45}

C. M.

[Buckhorse was a celebrated bruiser, whose name has been

preserved in this designation of a blow, in the same way as that

of his successor "Belcher" has been in that of the peculiar

style of silk handkerchief which he always wore.]

_Symbols of Four Evangelists._--Among the several replies to JARTZBERG'S

Query (Vol. i., p. 385.), I do not observe any notice of Sir T. Brown's

account of the symbols of the four Evangelists. I will therefore copy

part of a note I have on the subject, though see it is unfortunately

without any other reference than the _name_ of the author.

After giving _Jonathan's_ opinion of the four principal or legionary

standards among the Israelites, Sir T. Brown adds:

"But Abenegra and others, besides the colours of the field, do

set down other charges,--in Reuben's, the form of a man or

mandrake,--in that of Judah, a lion,--in Ephraim's, an ox; in

Dan's, the figure of an eagle. And thus, indeed, the four

figures in the banners of the principal squadrons of Israel are

answerable unto the Church in the vision of Ezekiel, every one

carrying the form of all these.... And conformable hereunto, the

pictures of the Evangelists (whose Gospels are the Christian

banners) are set forth with the addition of a man or angel, an

ox, a lion, and an eagle. And these symbolically represent the

office of angels and ministers of God's will, in whom is

required, understanding as in a man, courage and vivacity as in

a lion, service and ministerial officiousness as in the ox,

expedition or celerity of execution as in the eagle."

J. SANSOM.

_Catacombs and Bone-houses_ (Vol. i. p. 171.).--Part I. of a _History of

the Hundred of Rowell_ by Paul Cypher (published by J. Ginns, Rowell,)

has recently fallen in my way, and as I understand the writer is a

medical gentleman residing in the village (or town), I condense from the

account of the "Bone Caverns," p. 39-42., such particulars as may answer

the Query of Rev. A. Gatty.

The number of skeletons, as is asserted by those who have taken the

trouble to calculate, is 30,000. The vault in which they are deposited

is a long cryptiform structure, with a low groined roof, and the bones

are carefully packed in alternate strata of skulls, arms, legs, and so

forth. They seem to have been discovered by a gravedigger about 150

years since. Nothing is known with certainty respecting the date of this

vast collection. Some conjecture that the remains here deposited are the

consequence of a sanguinary battle in very early times, and profess to

discover peculiarities in the osseous structure, showing a large

proportion of the deceased to have been natives of a distant land; that

all were in the prime of life; and that most of the skulls are

fractured, as though with deadly weapons. Others, again, say they are

the remains of the slain at Naseby.

"I have examined carefully and at leisure the crania, and can

discover none but the mesobreginate skulls common to these

islands.... I have discovered more than one skull, in which the

alveolar sockets were entirely absorbed,--an effect of age

rarely produced under eighty years, I should imagine. And as to

the marks of injury visible on some, they will be attributed, I

think, by the impartial observer, rather to the spade and foot

of the sexton, than the battle-axe and stout arm of the ancient

Briton."

As to the supposition that these relics were brought from Naseby, it is

sufficient to observe that the number of the slain in that engagement

did not exceed one thousand.

"That most of these bodies were lying in the earth for a number

of years is proved, I think, by these several circumstances:

First, a careful examination of the interior of many of the

skulls, shows that roots have vegetated within them, the dry

fibres of which I have often observed; next, the teeth are

nearly all absent, and it is notoriously one of the first

effects of inhumation upon the osseous system, by which the

teeth are loosened; and lastly, we have two sources from which

bodies may have been exhumed and reinterred beneath the mother

church; and those are the Chapel of the Virgin and that moiety

of the original graveyard, which has evidently at some long

distant time, been taken from the church."

Human bones have been dug up in front of Jesus Hospital, to the

south-east of the church-yard. At the eastern extremity of the cavern is

a rude sketch apparently intended to represent the Resurrection.

ARUN.

_Tace Latin for a Candle_ (Vol. i., p. 385).--I am not aware of "Tace is

Latin for a candle" in any earlier book than Swift's _Polite

Conversation_; but it must have been threadbare in his time, or he would

not have inserted it in that great collection of platitudes:--

"_Lord Smart._ Well, but after all, Tom, can you tell me what is

Latin for a goose?

"_Neverout._ O, my Lord, I know that; why, Brandy is Latin for a

goose, and _Tace_ is Latin for a candle."

H. B. C.

_Members for Durham--why none prior to_ 1673-4 (Vol. ii., p.

8.).--Because Durham was an episcopal palatine, which had jurisdictions,

and even, in olden times, a Parliament of its own. Several bills were

brought in between 1562 and 1673, to give M.P.'s to both county and

city; but an act was only passed in the latter year. The first writ was

moved, it is said, in 1675; but the first return is dated in Whitworth,

1679. (Oldfield's _Parl. Hist._, iii. 425.)

C.

"_A Frog he would_," _&c._--I am in my sixth decade, and pretty far on

in it too; and I can recollect this jingle as long as I can recollect

anything. It formed several stanzas (five or six at least), and had {46}

its own tune. There was something peculiarly attractive and humorous to

the unformed ear and mind in the ballad, (for as a ballad it was sung,)

as I was wont to hear it. I can therefore personally vouch for its

antiquity being half a century. But, beyond this, I must add, that my

early days being spent in a remote provincial village (high up the

Severn), and the ballad, as I shall call it, being _universally known_,

I cannot help inferring that it is of considerable antiquity. Anything

of then recent date could hardly be both generally known and universally

popular in such a district and amongst such a people. Whether it had a

local origin there or not, it would be difficult to say but I never

heard it spoken of as having any special application to local persons or

affairs. Of course there are only two ways of accounting for its

popularity,--either its application, or its jingle of words and tune. If

I may venture a "guess," it would be, that it had originally a political

application, in some period when all men's minds were turned to some one

great politico-religious question; and this, not unlikely, the period of

the Cavaliers and Roundheads. We know how rife this kind of warfare was

in that great struggle. Or again, it might be as old as the Reformation

itself, and have a reference to Henry the Eighth and Anna Boleyn.

"The frog he would a-wooing go,

Whether his mother would let him or no,"

would not inaptly represent the "wide-mouthed waddling frog"

Henry--"mother church,"--and the "gleesome Anna" would be the "merry

mouse in the mill." It may be worth the while of gentlemen conversant

with the ballad literature and political squibs of both the periods here

indicated, to notice any traces in other squibs and ballads of the same

imagery that is employed in this. It would also be desirable, if

possible, to get a complete copy of these verses. My own memory can only

supply a part, or rather disjointed parts: but I think it probable that

it may be easily obtained by persons resident in the counties bordering

on North Wales, especially in Shropshire or Herefordshire, and perhaps

in Cheshire or Staffordshire.

I should not have thought of troubling you with my own reminiscences as

an answer to an antiquarian question, but for the fact that even these

go further back than any information that has been sent you.

T. S. D.

Shooter's Hill, June 7.

_Cavell_ (Vol. i., p. 473.).--To cast cavells, _i.e._ to cast lots, is

in constant every-day use in Northumberland. The Teutonic derivation

given is correct.

W.

_To endeavour Ourselves--The Homilies._--Perhaps your correspondents G.

P. (Vol. i., p 125.), and C. I. R. (Vol. i., p. 285) may, from the

following passages, conclude that "ourselves", is the object of the verb

"endeavour."

"He did this to this intent, 'that the whole clergy, in the mean

space, might apply themselves to prayer, not doubting but that

all his loving subjects would occupy themselves to God's honour,

and so endeavour themselves that they may be more ready,'" &c.

&c.--Heylin, _Hist. of the Reform. from an Act passed in Edward

VI.'s Reign_, 1548.

"Let us endeavour ourselves, both inwardly in our hearts, and

also outwardly with our bodies, diligently to exercise this

godly exercise of fasting."--_Homily on Fasting_ (end).

"Only show yourselves thankful in your lives, determine with

yourselves to refuse and avoid all such things in your

conversation as should offend his eyes of mercy. Endeavour

yourselves that way to rise up again, which way ye fell into the

well or pit of sin."--_Hom. on the Resur._ (near the end).

"From henceforth let us endeavour ourselves to walk in a new

life."--_Hom. of Repentance_, Pt. 2. (end).

There are many other similar passages in the "Homilies". I have also

noticed the following Latimer's Sermons:--

"The devil, with no less diligence, endeavoureth himself to let

and stop our prayers."--Vol. i. p. 829. Parker Soc. edit.

"Every patron, when he doth not diligently endeavor himself to

place a good and godly man in his benefice, shall make answer

before God."--Vol. ii. p. 28.

"Let them endeavour themselves." [I have forgotten the reference

in this case, but it is in vol. i.]

"How much, then, should we endeavour ourselves to make ready

towards this day, when it shall not be a money matter, but a

soul matter." (ii. p. 62)

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