Mr. GOODHUE did not wish the particular spot pointed out, because some

inconvenience would result from such a measure; however, he was free to

declare, that his own idea was in favor of a situation near Wright's

Ferry.

Mr. HEISTER moved to insert Harrisburg in the resolution. He conceived

the spot to be more eligible than any yet mentioned; from hence there

was an uninterrupted navigation to the sources of the river, and through

this place runs the great Western road leading to Fort Pitt, and the

Western Territory. A water communication can be effected at small

expense with Philadelphia. The waters of the Swetara, a branch of the

Susquehanna, about eight miles below Harrisburg, run to the north-east,

and are navigable fifteen miles from thence to the Tulpehoken, a branch

of the Schuylkill; a canal may be cut across, of about a mile and a

half, the ground has been actually surveyed, and found practicable; this

will unite the Susquehanna and Delaware, and open a passage for the

produce of an immense tract of country. It is but little further from

Philadelphia than is Wright's Ferry; and, on many accounts, he thought

it a preferable situation for the permanent seat of Government.

Mr. MADISON meant to pay due attention to every argument that could be

urged on this important question. Facts had been asserted, the

impressions of which he wished to be erased, if they were not well

founded. It has been said, that the communication with the Western

Territory, by the Susquehanna, is more convenient than by the Potomac. I

apprehend this is not the case; and the propriety of our decision will

depend, in a great measure, on the superior advantages of one of these

two streams. It is agreed, on all hands, that we ought to have some

regard to the convenience of the Atlantic navigation. Now, to embrace

this object, a position must be taken on some navigable river; to favor

the communication with the Western Territory, its arms ought likewise to

extend themselves towards that region. I did not suppose it would have

been necessary to bring forward charts and maps, as has been done by

others, to show the committee the comparative situation of those rivers.

I flattered myself it was sufficiently understood, to enable us to

decide the question of superiority; but I am now inclined to believe,

that gentlemen have embraced an error, and I hope they are not

determined to vote under improper impressions. I venture to pledge

myself for the demonstration, that the communication with the Western

Territory, by the Potomac, is more certain and convenient than the

other. And if the question is as important as it is admitted to be,

gentlemen will not shut their ears to information; they will not

precipitate the decision; or if they regard the satisfaction of our

constituents, they will allow them to be informed of all the facts and

arguments that lead to the decision of a question in which the general

and particular interests of all parts of the Union are involved.

Mr. STONE found gentlemen had determined on a step that was not

generally liked; he wished, therefore, the committee to rise, and give

all of them an opportunity of trying to mend the bargain that had been

made; perhaps they might find, upon reflection, that they ought to

decide the question on more national principles than they seemed yet to

be governed by.

Mr. SENEY could not say how far the motion was agreeable to every part

of America; but he believed it would be acceptable to a very

considerable part of the State he had the honor to represent.

Mr. SUMTER was in favor of the committee's rising, in order to give

gentlemen time to ascertain the facts necessary to guide them to a

decision. There was one impropriety which struck him forcibly; the

resolution adopted as a principle that the seat of Government ought to

be in a convenient place for the navigation of the Atlantic Ocean. But

the situation mentioned in the resolution under consideration had no

communication whatever with the Atlantic navigation. It had been said,

that the Susquehanna afforded the most convenient communication with the

Western Territory. He believed the Hudson possessed superior advantages;

it connected with the country about the Lakes and the Ohio. From New

York to Albany was navigable; from thence to Schenectady, there was a

short portage; after ascending Schenectady, there was a short portage of

half a mile to the Mohawk; from thence, another short portage to Wood

Creek, and thence into Lake Ontario, which connects with Lake Erie; and

from thence are portages to the Wabash, Miami, Muskingum or Alleghany,

all falling into the Ohio. But the Potomac possessed advantages superior

to these; and was, both on account of communicating with the Atlantic

and Western Territory, much to be preferred to the Susquehanna. He

assured gentlemen that he was unbiased in giving a preference to the

Potomac; because, if he studied his own convenience, he should consider

New York as more eligible than either. It accommodated the Atlantic

navigation in a superior manner, and had its pretensions to a connection

with the Western waters, as he had already shown. He hoped, however,

that the subject would be debated with candor and good temper, and

decided in the way most likely to promote the general interests and

harmony of the Union.

Mr. SHERMAN was against taking up the subject so soon; but since it had

been determined against him,--gentlemen, he presumed, had endeavored to

make up their minds,--he had turned his attention to it, and was now

prepared to decide.

Mr. CLYMER knew the advantages possessed by the Susquehanna in

communicating with the Western country; they were mentioned by his

colleague; but, with the additional circumstance that the Juniata branch

afforded a convenient navigation to a road lately laid out by the State

of Pennsylvania, which connected with the Kisskaminetas, from whence was

a short voyage down the Alleghany, and shorter still down that to the

Ohio, at Pittsburg. He questioned much if the navigation by the Potomac

was so convenient.

Mr. STONE did not mean to govern his vote on this occasion by what was

said to be the sense of the citizens of Maryland; because they were, he

apprehended, divided in opinion. One part or the other would be

particularly benefited, as the seat of Government should be fixed either

on the Susquehanna or Potomac, because those rivers watered its

territory. Perhaps the majority of the present inhabitants would prefer

the Susquehanna; but as their settlements extended westward, and the

population increased, the majority would be favored by the Potomac.

Mr. SENEY did not mean to determine this question on the principle of

benefiting, exclusively, the citizens of Maryland; he considered himself

as a Representative of the Union, and should decide on the principle of

general convenience.

Mr. TUCKER hoped the committee would rise, in order to give gentlemen

time to consider the subject maturely, and to prepare themselves to come

forward and discuss, fairly and fully, the advantages and disadvantages

of the rival places. He could not believe they meant to decide a

question of this importance on the superficial discussion which had

taken place.

The question, on the committee's rising, was now put, and it passed in

the negative; for it 23, against it 27.

Mr. STONE.--We are called upon, sir, to determine a question that has

not been introduced to our notice more than two hours and a half; a

question too, as admitted on both sides, of the highest importance to

the interests and harmony of the Union. I cannot help thinking it a

hardship to be compelled so abruptly to a decision; but since it must be

the case, I shall take the liberty of suggesting a few of my thoughts,

in order to justify the vote I mean to give.

There are a variety of considerations and doubts in my mind, respecting

the two rivers that have been mentioned. These doubts are increased when

a particular place is named upon one of them; but had gentlemen told us,

that they had settled this point also, it might have precluded any sort

of debate whatever; because when an agreement had taken place, not only

as to the banks of the Susquehanna, but as to the favored spot on those

banks, we should not have entertained a single hope that we could have

changed the position. But, as gentlemen differ among themselves on this

point, perhaps they will permit us to participate with them in selecting

the place most likely to give general satisfaction. But how can they

suppose we are prepared on this head, without a general consideration of

all the places which may offer themselves along the east bank of the

river.

I am not apprised, sir, of the extent of this continent certainly,

because I never calculated it by figures, or measured it on the map; but

if there is the smallest degree of accuracy in the draft that has been

handed about, no man, who takes a view of it, in my opinion, will doubt

a single moment, whether the Susquehanna is the river, which nearly

equally divides the territory of the United States, in its extent north

and south, that separates, in equal parts, the country east and west.

The eastern part, I take it, is little, if any thing, more than half as

large as what lies west. We observe that the course of the main branch

tends more toward the Atlantic Ocean, than it does toward the Western

Territory; but even its western inclination goes only toward the lakes

Erie and Ontario, through the middle of which runs the boundary line of

the United States. How can this, then, be supposed a direct or

convenient communication with that part of the country which is usually

termed, and is in fact, the Western Territory?

In fixing the permanent residence, we ought not only to have in view the

immediate importance of the States, but also what is likely to be their

weight at a future day; not that we should consider a visionary

importance, or chimerical expectation, but such a one as can be

demonstrated with as much certainty as effects follow their causes. I

apprehend the increase of population to the eastward is merely

conditional; there is nothing to invite people to settle in the northern

parts of this continent, in preference to the southern; even if they

were settled there, every principle which encourages population would

operate to induce them to emigrate to the southern and western parts. We

know the northern climate is severe, the winters long, and summers

short, and that the soil is less fertile. Were we not assuredly

acquainted that this was the case on the continent of America, we should

be led to the same conclusion, by reasoning from our knowledge of the

other parts of the globe. Men multiply in proportion to the means of

support, and this is more abundant in a mild than a severe climate.

Hence, I infer, that the climate, and means of subsistence, will ever

operate as a stimulus to promote the population of the Southern, in

preference to the Northern States. This doctrine is daily exemplified.

If we advert to the situation of that part of the Western country,

called Kentucky, and compare its increase of population since the war,

with any part of the Eastern States, we shall find men multiplied there

beyond any thing known in America; and if we consider its natural

advantages, we shall conclude it will be an important part of the Union.

The river which has been mentioned by the southern gentlemen is, as far

as I am acquainted, extremely well calculated to furnish Government with

the key of that country; and a river, I believe, richer in its exports

than any I have contemplated on the face of the earth.

A call was now made to order, and Mr. STONE sat down. A desultory

conversation took place on the point of order. It was contended, that

the question was on the insertion of Harrisburg, in the proposition

offered by Mr. GOODHUE; whereas Mr. STONE was speaking to the main

question.

Messrs. CARROLL, LEE and MADISON insisted that Mr. STONE was in order,

inasmuch as Mr. HEISTER'S motion necessarily involved the main question,

and was inseparable from it.

But it was decided by the Chair to be out of order; whereupon the

question was taken, without further debate, on inserting Harrisburg, and

it was determined in the negative.

The main question being now before the committee,

Mr. STONE proceeded. I feel myself unhappy to be obliged to address

gentlemen, who are not disposed to attend to any thing I may say; but as

gentlemen have chosen this time for discussing the subject, they will

not think it improper in me to persist in detailing my ideas. When I was

interrupted by the call to order, I was about to show the importance of

the Potomac to the United States. Its waters afford a practical, safe,

and short communication with the Ohio and Mississippi, beyond comparison

preferable to the Susquehanna. If it is intended that the people settled

upon those great rivers should communicate with the General Government,

after ascending the former they must proceed a vast distance northward,

up the Alleghany, against a rapid stream, before they can reach the

Susquehanna. I am inclined to believe a land-carriage would be better

than such a laborious round-about water communication. Now the Potomac,

as I am informed, connects with the Youghiogheny, a river less rapid

than the Alleghany, and is itself communicable with the Atlantic. In

this case, the Potomac will be the highway for such vast quantities of

wealth as to give every superiority; and, however we may determine at

this day, it will not be long before the seat of Government must be

carried thither. The vast population that is extending itself through

the Western country requires that the Government should take a position

favorable to its convenience; because new settlements at a vast distance

from the old are more exposed to temptation than others; but in the

present case, it is proper for us to guard against the operation of a

foreign country, which seems to be forming settlements near our

frontiers to rival ours. It may be the more necessary, inasmuch as we

ought to keep the boundary line distinct between the Spaniards and

savages, as I fear, do what we will, we run the greatest risk of

entering into a quarrel with them; for, it is well known, that

emigrants, in forming new settlements, are not much concerned about an

ascertainment of jurisdiction; they are generally bold, enterprising

spirits, who feel some aversion to strict government; it is therefore

necessary that the Government should approach toward them, and be placed

in such situation as would give it the greatest possible influence over

them. Beside their contiguity to a rival nation, they are independent in

their condition; they want hardly any thing this country can give; their

soil is rich and fertile; their exports will furnish them with every

foreign article from the southward which they can require. Their

interests are more strongly connected with the Southern States than the

Southern States are with the Eastern. The advantages of this Government

are felt, in a peculiar manner, by the mercantile and commercial States;

the agricultural States have not the same strong reasons for maintaining

the Union. Hence we may apprehend that the Western country may be

inclined, as it advances its importance, to drop off. The Susquehanna is

no bond by which to hold them; its direction is more northern than

westerly. Upon the whole, I am inclined to believe that it would not

give general satisfaction at the present day; and the inequality would

daily grow more striking, until we should be compelled to remove again

to where there was a probability of finding a centre of territory as

well as population. I have thrown out these ideas in a crude manner, but

gentlemen have forced me to it by their urgency to take the question; I

could wish to be allowed time for further discussion, and I believe it

would be no ill sacrifice of a day, if we were to put off the

determination till to-morrow.

Mr. LEE observed, that since gentlemen would not admit of a moment's

delay; since they seemed to declare, that they had settled the matter

without giving an opportunity for full discussion; since the House were

hurried to a decision on a point that involved the welfare of the

community, duty to his country, duty to the better half of the territory

of the United States, called on him to come forward with another

proposition.

He then moved to strike out the words "east bank of the Susquehanna,"

and to insert a clause to this effect; that, whereas the banks of the

Potomac united all the aforesaid advantages, with fertility of soil,

salubrity of climate, &c. Resolved, That the permanent seat of

Government ought to be fixed somewhere on the banks of the said river.

He flattered himself that these two rival places would be considered

with an attention that would do honor to the House; that their several

advantages would be fully compared, and that such a decision would

result as would be for the lasting benefit of the United States.

He then stated at large the comparative advantages of the Potomac; its

great and increasing improvements; the extent of its navigation; its

direct communication with the Western country, and its easy

communication with the Eastern and Southern States.

The House, he said, were now to determine whether regard was to be had

to the people of the Western Territory, to the greater portion of the

territory of the Union; in point of climate, it was extremely

salubrious; in fertility of soil, it was exceeded by no country on

earth. Thither would emigrants flock from all quarters.

He asked whether this Government was intended for a temporary or a

lasting one? Whether it was to be a fleeting vision, or to continue for

ages? He hoped the result would proclaim that the Government was

calculated for perpetuity; and that the common interests of the country

had been consulted. If that was done, the Government would be removed to

the Potomac; if not, we should stop short of it; and what would be the

consequence? He said he was averse to sound alarms, or introduce terrors

into the House; but if they were well founded, he thought it his duty.

It was well known with what difficulty the constitution was adopted by

the State of Virginia. It was then said, that there would be

confederacies of the States east of Pennsylvania, which would destroy

the Southern States; that they would unite their councils in discussing

questions relative to their particular interests, and the Southern

States would be disregarded. To these suspicions, it was answered, no!

It was contended that the magnanimous policy, arising from mutual

interests and common dangers would unite all the States, and make them

pursue objects of general good. But if it should be found that there

were such confederacies as were predicted, that the Northern States did

consult their partial interests, and form combinations to support them,

without regarding their Southern brethren, they would be alarmed, and

the faith of all south of the Potomac would be shaken. It would be shown

to them, that what had been predicted by the enemies to the constitution

had come to pass; that the Northern States had not waited till the

Government was organized before they sacrificed the Southern people to

their own interests.

Let the seat of Government be fixed where it may, Virginia had not

solicited Congress to place the seat of Government in her State. She

only contended, that the interests of the Southern and Western country

should be consulted; and he declared that these interests would be

sacrificed, if Congress fixed upon any place but the Potomac. The

greater part of Virginia was distant from that river. Many parts were

not nearer than New Jersey. She wished not to have the seat on the

Potomac but for the general good; it was not for the benefit of that

State, but for the benefit of the Union.

Mr. LAWRENCE said, it was improper and unnecessary to hold out terrors

to the fancy of members. The true way to convince them, was to address

their understandings. He was certain there was no dangerous confederacy

which the gentleman had talked of; and believed the conduct of the

Northern States would bear the strictest scrutiny; that, if probed to

the bottom, it would be found fair and candid. He remembered in the

debate upon the Tonnage bill, a gentleman from Virginia observed, that

could the moderate and equal policy of that day's proceedings have been

foreseen in the convention of Virginia, many objections that were there

produced against the constitution would have been thereby obviated.

He trusted, that, in conducting the business before them, gentlemen

could find no cause, eventually, to entertain different sentiments from

what he then delivered.

Mr. MADISON.--I acknowledge, that, on a former day, I made the

observation alluded to with singular complacency. I said, I had found a

moderation and liberality prevailing here, which I sincerely believed,

if foreseen in the convention of Virginia, would have obviated a very

powerful objection to the adoption of the Federal constitution. But,

give me leave now to say, that if a Prophet had risen in that body, and

brought the declarations and proceedings of this day into view, that I

as firmly believe Virginia might not have been a part of the Union at

this moment.

A motion was now made for the committee to rise, and several gentlemen

said, they wished it to prevail, in order that an opportunity might be

afforded for a fuller discussion.

Mr. SEDGWICK hoped the committee would not rise. Will it be contended,

that the majority shall not govern; and shall the minority, because they

cannot carry their points, accuse the House of want of candor? Are we to

be told, that an important State would not have joined the Union, had

they known what would have been the proceedings of this House. Gentlemen

have brought forward this business themselves; they have precipitated

the House into it. We prayed, we supplicated for time; and now

gentlemen, from some causes not explained, wish to postpone the matter,

in order to have time to deliberate. He believed that a deliberation of

six weeks would not alter a single opinion, and therefore it was not

proper to consume the public time uselessly.

Mr. MADISON.--When I alluded to the proceedings of this day, I

contemplated the manner in which the business was conducted; and though

I acknowledge that a majority ought to govern, yet they have no

authority to deprive the minority of a constitutional right; they have

no authority to debar us the right of free debate. An important and

interesting question being under consideration, we ought to have time

allowed for its discussion. Facts have been stated on one side, and

members ought to be indulged on the other with an opportunity of

collecting and ascertaining other facts. We have a right to bring

forward all the arguments which we think can, and ought to have an

influence on the decision. It is unusual, on a partial discussion, even

of questions of inferior magnitude, to decide in the course of a single

day. How, then, can gentlemen reconcile their conduct of this day to the

liberality they have hitherto shown? This manner of proceeding would

mark a genius in this body which will contradict the expectations of its

warmest friends. I hope nothing will be fixed by a hasty determination.

I said before, and repeat it again, that I wish to make some

observations on what has been advanced, for which at present there is

not time. But, if there was, I do not wish to address a determined and

silent majority. No, sir, if this be the temper of to-day, let me

appeal to a more favorable temper to-morrow. If gentlemen refuse this

appeal, I must submit; but I will, to the last moment, assert my right,

and remonstrate against a precipitate decision.

Mr. BURKE observed, that the Northern States had had a fortnight to

manage this matter, and would not now allow the Southern States a day.

What was the conduct of gentlemen? A league has been formed between the

Northern States and Pennsylvania.

Mr. FITZSIMONS interrupted Mr. BURKE, and denied the assertion, as it

respected Pennsylvania.

Mr. BURKE then proceeded, and said that the Eastern members had combined

with some other States, he could not positively say which, but the first

information that was furnished was given this morning, every gentleman

had heard it as well as himself, but that had nothing to do with his

object; he wanted time to get information; and called on gentlemen, for

the honor of the House, to comply with this request.

Mr. WADSWORTH said, he rejoiced to hear the gentlemen calling for time,

and crying out fair play. He remembered when he entreated the gentleman

who spoke last, and others, not to precipitate themselves into this

situation; his entreaties had been of no avail. Knowing that the pride

of a majority was one of those things to which he had to submit, he,

with all the New England members, solicited for time. With respect to

bargaining, he believed that it would reflect no honor on either side of

the House. He said he must either give his vote now, or submit to more

bargaining. He was willing that the whole business of bargaining should

be exposed; he would not excuse himself; he did not dare to go to the

Potomac. He feared that the whole of New England would consider the

Union as destroyed. Since the matter had been so prematurely brought on,

since members had been forced, and, as it were, dragged by the throat to

this business, he hoped it was now finished.

The question was now put, on the rising of the committee, and carried:

Whereupon the committee rose and reported progress, and then the House

adjourned.

THURSDAY, September 4.

_Seat of Government._

The House again resolved itself into a Committee of the Whole, on the

Resolution for establishing a permanent Seat of Government, Mr. BOUDINOT

in the chair.

Mr. STONE wished to hear the sentiments of the gentleman who first

brought forward this business: he expected to derive some advantage from

that gentleman's knowledge of the country, which, he presumed, was

pretty accurate, as it was derived from actual observation.

After waiting some time,

Mr. STONE repeated his request, under an apprehension that he had not

the honor of being heard by the worthy gentleman.

Mr. GOODHUE rose and said, he had given his sentiments yesterday, but,

if the gentleman desired it, he was ready to repeat them.

Mr. STONE said, he addressed his request to the gentleman from

Pennsylvania.

Mr. SCOTT.--I understood the gentleman so, and I have no objection to

giving my sentiments on the occasion. The resolution I laid on the table

has been honored with the vote of a majority of the committee. It

contains such principles as, I believe, ought to govern in the

settlement of the grand question: they have declared, that they mean to

be governed by these principles, and this is a declaration to the world

that their hearts are good. What may follow in consequence of that

resolution, cannot impeach the motive, it can only prove, that our heads

are uninformed; an error of the head is pardonable, but an error of the

heart is not easily forgiven.

Whether the spot which has been moved is the right spot or not, seems to

be the matter under inquiry. I had prepared myself with documents, which

I should have produced had they been needed, to prove, that the State I

have the honor to represent involves, within its limits the centre of

wealth and population of the United States, taking the sea-coast for a

guide; for all that has been said of the importance of the Western

country, has not prevailed on me to imagine, that all the vacant

territory should be taken into view, the same as the settled and

cultivated parts; my resolution had no other idea but that the Atlantic

States should consent to go as near that territory as their convenience

would allow. I am convinced that going further than would suit the

Atlantic States would injure the Western country itself.

Mr. MADISON said, if this delay should not have produced any alteration

in the sentiments of the gentlemen, it will at least soften that hard

decision which seems to threaten the friends of the Potomac. He hoped

that all would concur in the great principle on which they ought to

conduct and decide this business; an equal attention to the rights of

the community. No government, he said, not even the most despotic,

could, beyond a certain point, violate that idea of justice and equal

right which prevailed in the mind of the community. In Republican

Governments, justice and equality form the basis of the system; and

perhaps the structure can rest on no other that the wisdom of man can

devise. In a Federal Republic, give me leave to say, it is even more

necessary and proper, that a sacred regard should be paid to these

considerations. For beyond the sense of the community at large, which

has its full agency in such a system, no such Government can act with

safety. The Federal ingredient involves local distinctions, which not

only produce local jealousies, but give, at the same time, a greater

local capacity to support, and insist upon equitable demands. In a

Confederacy of States, in which the people operate, in one respect as

citizens, and in another as forming political communities, the local

Governments will ever possess a keener sense and capacity, to take

advantage of those powers, on which the protection of local rights

depends. If these great rights be the basis of republics, and if there

be a double necessity of attending to them in a Federal Republic, it is

further to be considered, that there is no one right, of which the

people can judge with more ease and certainty, and of which they will

judge with more jealousy, than of the establishment of the permanent

seat of Government; and I am persuaded, that however often this subject

may be discussed in the representative body, or however the attention of

the committee may be drawn to it, the observations I have made will be

more and more verified. We see the operation of this sentiment fully

exemplified in what has taken place in the several States. In every

instance where the seat of Government has been placed in an uncentral

position, we have seen the people struggling to place it where it ought

to be. In some instances they have not yet succeeded, but I believe they

will succeed in all. In many they have actually gained their point.

With respect, however, to the Federal Government, there is one

consideration that shows, in a peculiar manner, the necessity and policy

of paying a strict attention to this principle. One of the greatest

objections which has been made by the opponents of the system, which has

been allowed most weight by its friends, is the extent of the United

States. It has been asserted by some, and almost feared by others, that

within so great a space, no free Government can exist. I hope and trust,

that the opinion is erroneous; but, at the same time, I acknowledge it

to have a certain degree of force, and it is incumbent on those who wish

well to the Union, to diminish this inconvenience as much as possible.

The way to diminish it, is to place the Government in that spot which

will be least removed from every part of the empire. Carry it to a

remote position, and it will be equivalent to an extension of our

limits; and if our limits are already extended so far as warrants, in

any degree, the apprehension before mentioned, we ought to take care not

to extend them further.

The seat of Government is of great importance, if you consider the

diffusion of wealth that proceeds from this source. I presume that the

expenditures which will take place, where the Government will be

established by those who are immediately concerned in its

administration, and by others who may resort to it, will not be less

than half a million dollars a year. It is to be regretted that those who

may be most convenient to the centre should enjoy this advantage to a

higher degree than others; but the inequality is an evil imposed by

necessity; we diminish it as we place the source from which those

emanations of wealth are to proceed as near the centre as possible.

If we consider, sir, the effects of Legislative power on the aggregate

community, we must feel equal inducements to look for the centre, in

order to find the proper seat of Government. Those who are most adjacent

to the seat of Legislation will always possess advantages over others.

An earlier knowledge of the laws, a greater influence in enacting them,

better opportunities for anticipating them, and a thousand other

circumstances, will give a superiority to those who are thus situated.

If it were possible to promulgate our laws, by some instantaneous

operation, it would be of less consequence in that point of view where

the Government might be placed; but if, on the contrary, time is

necessary for this purpose, we ought, as far as possible, to put every

part of the community on a level.

If we consider the influence of the Government in its Executive

Department, there is no less reason to conclude that it ought to be

placed in the centre of the Union. It ought to be in a situation to

command information relative to every part of the Union, to watch every

conjuncture, to seize every circumstance that can be improved. The

Executive eye ought to be placed where it can best see the dangers which

may threaten, and the Executive arm, whence it may be extended most

effectually to the protection of every part. Perhaps it is peculiarly

necessary, that, in looking for the position, we should keep our eye as

much as possible towards our Western borders; for a long time dangers

will be most apt to assail that quarter of the Union.

He was sure, that if justice required us to take any one position in

preference to another, we had every inducement, both of interest and of

prudence to fix on the Potomac, as most satisfactory to our Western

brethren. It is impossible to reflect a moment on the possible severance

of that branch of the Union without seeing the mischiefs which such an

event must create. The area of the United States divided into two equal

parts, will leave, perhaps, one half on the west side of the Alleghany

Mountains. From the fertility of the soil, the fineness of the climate,

and every thing that can favor a growing population, we may suppose the

settlement will go on with every degree of rapidity which our

imagination can conceive.

If the calculation be just, that we double in twenty-five years, we

shall speedily behold an astonishing mass of people on the Western

waters. Whether this great mass will form a permanent part of the

confederacy, or whether it will be separated into an alien, a jealous

and a hostile people, may depend on the system of measures that is

shortly to be taken. The difference, he observed, between considering

them in the light of fellow-citizens, bound to us by a common affection,

obeying common laws, pursuing a common good, and considering them in the

other light, presents one of the most interesting questions that can

occupy an American mind. Instead of peace and friendship, we shall have

rivalship and enmity; instead of being a great people, invulnerable on

all sides, and without the necessity of those military establishments

which other nations require, we shall be driven into the same expensive

and dangerous means of defence. We shall be obliged to lay burthens on

the people, to support establishments which, sooner or later, may prove

fatal to their liberties. It is incumbent on us, if we wish to act the

part of magnanimous legislators, or patriotic citizens, to consider

well, when we are about to take a step of such vast importance, that it

be directed by the views he had described; we must consider what is

just, what is equal, and what is satisfactory.

On a candid view of the two rivers, he flattered himself that the seat

which would most correspond with the public interest would be found on

the banks of the Potomac. It was proper that we should have some regard

to the centre of territory; if that was to have weight, he begged leave

to say, that there was no comparison between the two rivers. He defied

any gentleman to cast his eye in the most cursory manner over a map and

say that the Potomac is not much nearer this centre than any part of the

Susquehanna. If we measure from the banks of the Potomac to the most

eastern parts of the United States, it is less distant than to the most

southern. If we measure this great area diagonally, the Potomac will

have the advantage. If you draw a line perpendicularly to the direction

of the Atlantic coast, we shall find that it will run more equally

through the Potomac than through any part of the Union; or, if there be

any difference between one side and the other, there will be a greater

space on the south-west than on the north-east. All the maps of the

United States show the truth of this. From the Atlantic coast to that

line which separates the British possessions from the United States, the

average distance is not more than one hundred and fifty miles. If you

take the average breadth of the other great division of the United

States, it will be found to be six, seven, and eight hundred miles.

From this view of the subject, which is not easy to describe by words,

but which will strike every eye that looks on a map, I am sure that if

the Potomac is not the geographical centre, it is because the

Susquehanna is less so.

Mr. CLYMER begged to set the gentleman right; his colleague, if he

understood him, had only related the communication by the north-western

branches, but there was a communication by the Juniata, a branch of the

Susquehanna, about fifteen miles above Harrisburg, tending westerly, and

navigable eighty miles, from whence to the Connemagh was a portage, with

a road actually laid out of about forty miles, hence you descend the

Kisskaminetas to the Alleghany, and from thence to Pittsburg is thirty

miles.

Mr. SCOTT knew this communication pretty well, but we who live in that

country never take it into consideration, as the waters are too small to

afford a certainty of communication, but even here the portage was

greater than between the Potomac and Youghiogheny.

Mr. CLYMER said, with respect to the navigation of the Juniata, that it

was in evidence before the House of Assembly of Pennsylvania, when they

were considering the means of uniting that navigation with the western

waters, that produce to the amount of fourteen hundred bushels had been

brought down it to Middletown.

Mr. MADISON proceeded and said, he wished every fact to be ascertained

that could throw any light upon the subject. Taking the Susquehanna, as

it was practicable for navigation, it would be found, that through that

route of communication, Fort Pitt would be four or five hundred miles

from the proposed seat on its banks, and that the distance by land was

not less than two hundred and fifty miles; whereas, through the Potomac

the distance from the proposed spot on its banks to Fort Pitt was not

calculated at more than two hundred and fifty miles, and he believed the

distance by land would be found not to exceed one hundred and sixty or

one hundred and seventy miles.

Whether we measure the distance by land or water, then, the result is in

favor of the Potomac. If we consider the progress already made in

opening this great channel, its title becomes still stronger. Let me

add, that it has been found, on accurate research, that the waters

communicating with the Ohio are not more than two or three miles distant

from the sources of the Potomac. This is a fact of peculiar importance.

The gentleman from Massachusetts yesterday raised great objections

against the Potomac, because it was, as he supposed, subject to

periodical maladies, from which the other river was free. I am not

authorized, from personal experience, or very particular information, to

draw a comparison between them; but there are some general facts that

may serve to show, that if there is any difference, it is more likely to

be in favor of the Potomac than of the Susquehanna. The position

contemplated on the banks of the former is considerably further from

tide water than the place proposed on the latter. On this account,

therefore, we have little reason to suppose that the Potomac is more

unhealthy. If we regard their comparative situations, westwardly, the

spot on the Potomac is almost as much further to the west, as it is

distant from the proposed spot on the Susquehanna; and he well knew

that, generally speaking, as were tire towards the Western and upper

country, we are generally removed from the causes of those diseases to

which southern situations are exposed. As the two places are moreover in

the same latitude, the objection advanced, with respect to that point,

cannot apply to one more than the other. It is only their western or

eastern position, their remoteness from, or their proximity to the lower

country, and to fresh or stagnant waters, that can possibly affect the

question. It is not because we advance so much to the south that we

advance to the centre, it is because we go more to the west. I do not

know that there is a difference of more than a degree and five or six

minutes between the latitude of New York and the place proposed on the

Potomac.

Mr. AMES never intended that this question should be carried through the

committee by the strength of a silent majority; he had confidence in the

weight of the arguments to be urged in favor of the Susquehanna, and he

was willing to put the decision of the question on that ground. He would

now come forward, and give the reasons of his opinion, especially as

gentlemen had entered fully into the reasons which guided their own to a

different conclusion. He did not conceive it would be necessary for him,

coming from the part of the United States from which he did, to disclaim

the local views and narrow prejudices with which the subject teemed. He

had feared, when the question was first brought forward, that the minds

of gentlemen would be highly fermented, indeed so much, that he almost

despaired of coming to a proper decision, nor did he think these

apprehensions were illusive, if he judged from what had already taken

place. He had observed that some gentlemen, whose discernments were

clear and who were generally guided by the straight line of rectitude,

had been most surprisingly warped on the present occasion; he was

fearful that their wishes had misled them from a due regard of the real

object of their pursuit, viz: the public interest and convenience. He

was sensible, that he himself was liable to some improper impressions;

but he trusted he did not feel them in that degree which he thought he

saw in others.

He was willing to be led by the great principles which other gentlemen

had laid down as the rule of their decision; but he thought they would

lead to a different conclusion from what had been drawn from them; he

admitted that a central situation is to be taken, and in considering

this centre, the centre of a sea-coast line ought to be regarded,

because it is more conveniently accessible, has more wealth, and more

people than an equal area of inland country. Being more liable to

invasion, government should be near to protect it. It is the interest of

the back country to have the Government near the sea, to inspect and

encourage trade, by which their abundant produce will find an export.

And lastly, he said, the contingency of the separation of the Western

country was a reason for preferring the sea-coast.

He proceeded next to say, there will not be any contest where this

centre of the sea-coast line is to be found: it falls between the rivers

Potomac and Susquehanna. It will be found that there are good reasons

why we should rather move east than south.

If the sea-coast line is to be preferred, it will follow that the back

lands, west of the Ohio, which the gentleman from Virginia has so often

taken into his calculations, will be excluded; they are not peopled;

they do not affect the sea-coast line; and that line has already been

voted to be the proper one by the committee. As it is true that the

sea-coast has more wealth and more people than the inland country in

proportion to the extent, it is equally true that the eastern half of

the sea-coast has more of both than the southern. If we reckon Maryland,

which will be as well accommodated by the Susquehanna as by the Potomac,

we shall find the population of the eastern part nearly two millions,

and that of the southern only one million, and the population of free

inhabitants still less in favor of the latter.

But, sir, instead of seeking a centre geographically, we should consider

the centre of common convenience. The place is the proper one where the

greatest number of persons will be best accommodated. I will endeavor to

show that that will be on the Susquehanna. Is the zeal of gentlemen, who

oppose this design, influenced by their despair of removing the seat of

Government afterwards? I believe the people of America will not complain

of it. If fixed there, I think it will be found convenient and will

remain there.

The Susquehanna is the centre of the common convenience. At this moment

there are more wealth and more inhabitants east than south of it. But

the future population of America is calculated, and it is pretended that

the balance of population is receding from the East. Surely the present

inhabitants may be allowed principally to consult their own convenience.

West of the Ohio is an almost immeasurable wilderness; when it will be

settled, or how it will be possible to govern it, is past calculation.

Gentlemen will pardon me if I think it perfectly romantic to make this

decision depend upon that circumstance. Probably it will be near a

century before those people will be considerable; if we fix the national

seat in the proper place now, it would give me no inquietude to know

that a hundred years hence it may be liable to be removed; but, in fact,

the principle which is assumed by the committee, and which I have

attempted to justify, of taking the centre of the sea-coast line, will,

even in the event of that vast tract being settled, furnish abundant

reasons for its remaining on the Susquehanna. I will not recapitulate

those reasons. We must take some principle to guide us; and though some

inequalities will appear, yet let gentlemen remember, that in so vast a

country great inconveniences will attend the communications of the

people with Government, be the seat of it where it may; and by taking

the centre of the sea-coast line there will be less than any other

principle. It will be found best to accommodate the greatest number; or,

in other words, to be the centre of common convenience: indeed, this is

not denied to be true at this moment; but the case is said to be

changing. On the one hand, I think it is Utopian to calculate upon the

population of the United States a century hence; and, on the other hand,

I admit that it is impolitic at least, perhaps unjust, to confine our

attention to the present population; a quarter of a century may be a

medium. Will gentlemen deny that trade and manufactures will accumulate

people in the Eastern States, in proportion of five to three, compared

with the Southern? The disproportion will, doubtless, continue to be

much greater than I have calculated. It is actually greater at present;

for the climate and negro slavery are acknowledged to be unfavorable to

population: so that husbandry, as well as commerce and manufactures,

will give more people in the Eastern than in the Southern States. The

very circumstance that gentlemen found their reasonings upon is pretty

strongly against their calculations. They tell us of the vast quantities

of good land still unsettled in their States; that will produce a thin

population; for the old lands will not be crowded, so long as new ones

are to be had.

Mr. CARROLL begged leave to give the Committee some information

respecting the distance from tide-water to Fort Cumberland; from the

tide-water to the Little Falls was three miles, to the Great Falls six

more, from thence to the Seneca Falls was also six more, and from thence

to Old Town one hundred and seventeen; which last place was fifteen

miles from Fort Cumberland, making in all one hundred and forty-five

miles, instead of two hundred, as stated by the gentleman.

Mr. AMES imagined his statement to be nearly right, and he found Mr.

JEFFERSON stated in his Notes, that the Falls of the Potomac were

fifteen miles in extent, and a navigation extremely difficult to be

made.

Mr. CARROLL said, it was not near that distance; in the fifteen miles

there were three falls: the Seneca, the Great and Little Falls, but they

occupy but a small part of the fifteen miles; he could certainly form

some judgment of a place which he might say was almost at his door, and

did not expect that Mr. JEFFERSON'S Notes would have been adduced as an

authority to contradict information he had given in his place. As to the

difficulty of the navigation, he had to observe that many of the

obstacles were already so far removed as to render the transportation

down to the Great Falls practicable; that there the canal was nearly

finished, and ready to sink the lock-seats and insert the frames, so

that in a little time there was a probability that no impediment

whatever would obstruct the descent of produce to the tide-water.

The question, on Mr. Lee's motion for striking out Susquehanna, and

inserting Potomac, was put and lost; for it 21, against it 29.

Mr. MADISON then moved, to add, after "Susquehanna" the words "or

Potomac;" this would furnish an opportunity to examine and compare the

two situations. It was so favorable to a discovery of the truth, that he

did not doubt but gentlemen who were desirous of grounding their

decision upon a full understanding of the subject would agree to the

motion.

Mr. BOUDINOT seconded this motion, and supported it, by observing the

necessity there appeared to be, of obtaining a more accurate knowledge

of the two rivers, as gentlemen seemed to differ materially with

respect to the matter of fact.

Mr. SHERMAN contended, upon the principles adopted yesterday by the

committee, that they could not think of going to the Potomac; he said,

that taking the population, even allowing the slaves in the Southern

States, there was the greatest weight of population north-east of the

Susquehanna; but upon the ratio of representation, at a member for forty

thousand inhabitants, there were but one million two hundred thousand

south of Pennsylvania, one million four hundred thousand north,

including Pennsylvania; but if the calculation was made from the

Potomac, the South would contain nine hundred and sixty thousand

inhabitants, and the North one million six hundred and eighty thousand.

Now, he would ask, if gentlemen could expect that the northern people

would incline to go so far south? He apprehended they would not.

The question being taken on inserting "or Potomac," it passed in the

negative.

On motion of Mr. PAGE, the committee rose and reported progress, and

then the House adjourned.

SATURDAY, September 5.

_Permanent Seat of Government._

The House then resolved itself into a Committee of the Whole, on

establishing the permanent residence of Congress; when

Mr. FITZSIMONS presented the following resolution:

_Resolved_, As the opinion of this committee, that the

President of the United States be authorized to appoint

---- commissioners, to examine, and report to him, the most

eligible situation on the east bank of the Susquehanna, for

the permanent seat of Government of the United States. That

the said commissioners be authorized, by and with the

advice of the President, to purchase such quantity of lands

as may be thought necessary, and to erect thereon, within

---- years, suitable buildings for the accommodation of the

Congress, and of the officers of the United States. That

the Secretary of the Treasury, together with the

commissioners so to be appointed, be authorized to borrow a

sum not exceeding ---- dollars, to be paid in ---- years,

with interest, at the rate of ---- per cent. per annum,

payable out of the duties on impost and tonnage, to be

applied to the purchase of the land, and the erection of

the buildings aforesaid. And that a bill ought to pass, in

the present session, in conformity with the aforegoing

resolutions.

Mr. SMITH (of South Carolina) doubted the propriety of the resolution,

because he conceived the declaration in the constitution required a

cession of territory as well as jurisdiction. If he was joined in this

sentiment by the committee, he would move that the President be

empowered to appoint commissioners to examine and report a proper place

on the banks of the Susquehanna for a federal town, and that, whenever

the State of Pennsylvania shall cede to the United States a certain

district or territory, not exceeding ten miles square, Congress would

accept thereof for the above purpose.

Mr. LAWRENCE would inquire for what purpose the cession, mentioned in

the constitution, was required? It was, in the words of that instrument,

to exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever; now, did this

consequence involve in it a territorial possession? It certainly did

not. It involved nothing more than the power of making laws independent

of the State jurisdiction. The gentleman might have carried his idea

further, for as the cession is to be made by particular States, it seems

to infer that two States, at least, should be concerned in the cession;

but would objections, from such forced constructions, have any weight in

the judgment of the committee? He trusted they would not. He supposed it

more rational to attend to the plain literal meaning of the constitution

than to engage in the discussion of the refined speculations of

ingenious men.

Mr. VINING observed, that Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia, had offered

to cede territory, as well as jurisdiction, and there would be a great

impropriety in expending the federal treasure, in purchasing the soil,

when they might have it without expense.

Mr. AMES endeavored to show that such a cession, as was contemplated in

the constitution, might be made by one State to another, without giving

a property to a foot of land, by comparing it with the cession of

Silesia to Prussia, where not a single acre of soil was conveyed, but of

jurisdiction to the whole province; so, when territory changes its

government, by being the sacrifice of a treaty of peace. He supposed

that Congress were to purchase the soil necessary to erect buildings for

the accommodation of the Government, and was satisfied the cession might

be made subsequent to their election of a particular spot.

Mr. SENEY.--The gentleman from Delaware has said, that Maryland proposed

a cession of soil; but I believe, sir, there is not such a word as soil

mentioned in the law.

Mr. CARROLL agreed with his colleague, and supposed that a cession of

soil could not have been contemplated, because the State of Maryland had

offered any part of the State, not excepting the town of Baltimore. He

believed if Congress were disposed to fix in that town, it would be

agreeable to the State; but he did not imagine they would agree to give

the General Government a property to the whole town, and the surrounding

country. The other parts of the State had never contemplated making the

inhabitants of Baltimore a compensation for such an immense property.

Mr. GOODHUE believed, if the House had agreed to go to the Potomac,

there would have been none of these constitutional difficulties stated.

It was well known, he said, that the gentlemen from the eastward had no

desire to take up the subject; but those from the southward were

sanguine in their expectations that they should get the Government to

the Potomac; and were, therefore, for pressing the business, and not

allowing it to be postponed as was contended for on the other hand.

Mr. MADISON said, the business was not brought on by their original

motion, though they gave it their support. It was true, that a

proposition for postponement was made, but what was the extent of that

postponement? Till December or January next. Was there any reason to

suppose that those gentlemen, who were, at this day, opposed to the

Potomac, would give in to such a change of opinion by that time, as to

induce us to agree to their proposition. We saw no reason to expect such

a change. And, as in fact, we find a predetermined majority ready to

dispose of us, the sooner we know our destiny the better; for it can be

of little consequence, if we are to be disposed of, whether we are

disposed of in September or December.

Mr. WADSWORTH.--The reiteration of being disposed of by bargaining,

induces me to rise and make one remark. It is a notorious fact to the

members within these walls, that the New England members, to a man, were

opposed to a decision at present; and that they were disposed to

accommodate the Southern States. They refused all bargaining, till they

were assured there was a bargaining set on foot to carry them to the

Potomac; why, then, are we reproached with this? Whatever bargaining

there has been, we were the last to come into it; we never thought of

it, till we were told that we were a property, and should be disposed

of, unless we took care of ourselves. I hope, as we have gone so far, we

shall settle the subject in dispute, by granting the money and erecting

the necessary buildings.

Mr. JACKSON denied being concerned in any bargaining whatever, and

defied any gentleman to say he knew any thing of one, till he heard it

mentioned on this floor; he was determined to keep himself disengaged,

and to vote according as his judgment should lead him, after hearing the

subject coolly and thoroughly discussed.

Mr. MADISON hoped, if he travelled a little out of order, he should be

justified, after what had taken place; but he could not withhold this

public declaration of his wish, that every thing that had passed on the

subject alluded to by the gentleman from Connecticut, (Mr. WADSWORTH,)

were to be fully understood, and were reduced to writing. Every thing he

knew of it he was willing, on his part, to put into that form; and he

was well persuaded that it would be found, on examination, that the

opposition of the Southern gentlemen was of a defensive nature, and that

they had not listened to a proposition, until they had reason to think

it necessary to prevent a sudden and improper decision of this very

important question.

Mr. SMITH, of South Carolina, begged gentlemen to remember, that all the

Southern members had not been in favor of bringing forward the business

at the present session; he had opposed it as well as some others.

Mr. LEE conceived it to be his duty to present once more the preamble,

which had been rejected in committee. He flattered himself, after the

discussion which had taken place, that gentlemen were prepared to decide

on liberal and national principles, and therefore they would adopt those

he presented.

Mr. SENEY approved of the Susquehanna in preference to the Potomac, on

every principle which had been brought into view, as proper to guide the

House in deciding the present question. He treated the alarm which

gentlemen apprehended would be given by fixing on the Susquehanna as

merely ideal, and existing nowhere but in the imagination of gentlemen;

so far from exciting jealousy, or disturbing the public mind, he

contemplated it as tending to allay uneasiness, and to give general

satisfaction.

On motion, the House now adjourned.

MONDAY, September 7.

_Permanent seat of Government._

The House resumed the consideration of the resolutions reported by the

Committee of the Whole for establishing the permanent residence of

Congress.

Whereupon, the first resolution was agreed to, and the second, to wit:

_Resolved_, That the permanent seat of the Government of

the United States ought to be at some convenient place on

the east bank of the river Susquehanna, in the State of

Pennsylvania; and that, until the necessary buildings be

erected for the purpose, the seat of Government ought to

continue at the city of New York,

Being under consideration,

Mr. LEE withdrew his proposition offered yesterday, and moved to amend

the said resolution, by striking out the words "East Bank of the river

Susquehanna, in the State of Pennsylvania," and inserting, in lieu

thereof; the "North Bank of the river Potomac, in the State of

Maryland."

And, on the question that the House do agree to the said amendment, the

yeas and nays were demanded, and are

AYES.--Messrs. Baldwin, Bland, Brown, Burke, Carroll,

Coles, Contee, Gale, Griffin, Jackson, Lee, Madison,

Matthews, Moore, Page, Parker, Smith, (of South Carolina,)

Stone, Sumter, Tucker and Vining--21.

NAYS.--Messrs. Benson, Boudinot, Cadwalader, Clymer,

Fitzsimons, Floyd, Foster, Gerry, Gilman, Goodhue, Grout,

Hartley, Hathorn, Lawrence, Livermore, P. Muhlenberg,

Partridge, Van Rensselaer, Scott, Seney, Sherman,

Sylvester, Sinnickson, Smith, (of Maryland,) Thatcher,

Trumbull, Wadsworth and Wynkoop--29.

So it was determined in the negative.

Mr. VINING said, it now became his duty, after having sacrificed a

prejudice, if he had one, by giving his vote for the Potomac, to bring

before the House the humble claim of Delaware. He apprehended that her

claim to centrality, as it respected wealth and population, was

superior to that of the Susquehanna; and that, if a sea-coast line was

to be a criterion, she was near the centre of territory. He supposed

that this was the line upon which the Committee was to decide for the

present. It was not supposed necessary, at this time, to take into

consideration the vacant and extensive Western Territory, or why refuse

the Potomac, which offered itself under the greatest advantages of an

easy intercourse with that quarter? Add to the reasons he had mentioned,

that the United States would consult their interest by fixing on the

Delaware, as they would not incur the heavy expense of purchasing

territory, and erecting magnificent palaces and hotels for the

Government, and he thought gentlemen would not hesitate to agree with

him.

The place he meant to offer was possessed of eminent superiority, as to

salubrity of air and fertility of soil; it also united the advantages of

the Atlantic and inland navigation; inasmuch as, by cutting a canal from

the waters of the Chesapeake to the Delaware, a communication would be

opened from Carolina, Virginia, and Maryland, to New Jersey,

Pennsylvania and the midland counties of New York. The spot that he

proposed for their acceptance was Wilmington in the State of Delaware;

round which they might have a district for exclusive legislation, if it

was thought proper to accept it. Under these impressions, he would frame

his motions in such a way, as to enable Congress, when they did adjourn,

to adjourn to meet at that borough. It was made in this form: To strike

out the word "permanent," and all the remainder of the clause, after the

words "ought to be at," and to insert in lieu of the last "the borough

of Wilmington, in the State of Delaware."

On the question that the House do agree to the said amendment, the yeas

and nays were demanded, and are

AYES.--Messrs. Baldwin, Bland, Boudinot, Burke, Cadwalader,

Coles, Contee, Griffin, Jackson, Lee, Madison, Matthews,

Moore, Page, Parker, Sinnickson, Smith, (of South

Carolina,) Sumter, and Vining--19.

NAYS.--Messrs. Ames, Benson, Brown, Carroll, Clymer,

Fitzsimons, Floyd, Foster, Gale, Gerry, Gilman, Goodhue,

Grout, Hartley, Hathorn, Heister, Lawrence, Livermore, P.

Muhlenberg, Partridge, Van Rensselaer, Scott, Seney,

Sherman, Sylvester, Smith, (of Maryland,) Stone, Thatcher,

Trumbull, Tucker, Wadsworth and Wynkoop--32.

Mr. BOUDINOT remarked that the peculiar situation in which he had been

placed, by having the chair of the Committee, prevented him from giving

his sentiments on the subject then; he therefore hoped to be indulged

with stating the claim of the Delaware to the honor of the Federal City.

When a question of such great magnitude, and which involved the

interests of the Union, was to be decided, he thought he could be

neither doing justice to the United States at large, nor his immediate

constituents, were he to neglect to call their attention to what the

former Congress had done in favor of the Delaware. He was surprised that

gentlemen, who contended for the accommodation of their constituents,

should be led so far astray from pursuing that object, as to pass far

beyond the centre of wealth and population, as well as territory; or, if

they did not pass the centre of territory, they went to a place, maugre

all that had been said, devoid of those advantages which ought to attend

the Federal residence. The want of communication with the Atlantic, the

difficulty of navigating its waters, from the innumerable rocks, falls

and shoals with which it abounds, which, from actual observation, he was

induced to believe were insuperable obstructions to a connection with

the Western waters, or, if they could be surmounted, it would be at such

cost of money and labor, as the United States were not in a condition to

expend, at a time when the widows and orphans were starving for want of

the pittance due to them by the Government. The sterility of the soil,

and the unhealthiness of a situation on the banks of a river which was

subject to rise twenty feet and more, and overflow its banks, leaving

behind vast quantities of stagnant water, whence proceeded noxious

exhalations, the cause of a long catalogue of diseases, were altogether,

in his mind, such objections to the place, that he could never imagine a

majority of the House could consent to it. He further observed, that the

Government would be secluded from the world, and the channels of

information; there were few inhabitants, unless it was in the

neighborhood of York or Lancaster.

But, beside all these considerations, there was this further, that there

was an existing resolution of Congress for erecting the necessary

buildings for their accommodation on the banks of the Delaware and

Potomac, and an absolute grant of money for the purpose of defraying the

expense. Now, as these had each of them strong pretensions, he was

willing to have them considered and examined by commissioners sent on

the ground. For the sake of accommodation, he would, therefore, move to

amend the resolution, by striking out the words "east bank of the river

Susquehanna, in the State of Pennsylvania," and inserting in lieu

thereof the words "Potomac, Susquehanna, or Delaware."

On the question that the House do agree to the said amendment, it passed

in the negative; the yeas and nays being required, are as follows:

YEAS.--Messrs. Baldwin, Bland, Boudinot, Brown, Burke,

Cadwalader, Carroll, Coles, Contee, Griffin, Jackson, Lee,

Madison, Matthews, Moore, Parker, Page, Sinnickson, Smith,

(of South Carolina,) Stone, Sumter, Tucker and Vining--23.

NAYS.--Messrs. Ames, Benson, Clymer, Fitzsimons, Floyd,

Foster, Gale, Gerry, Gilman, Goodhue, Grout, Hartley,

Hathorn, Heister, Lawrence, Livermore, P. Muhlenberg,

Partridge, Van Rensselaer, Scott, Seney, Sherman,

Sylvester, Smith, (of Maryland,) Thatcher, Trumbull,

Wadsworth and Wynkoop--28.

Mr. BOUDINOT then moved to amend the resolution by striking out the

words "east bank of the river Susquehanna, in the State of

Pennsylvania," and inserting in lieu thereof, the words, "banks of

either side of the river Delaware, not more than eight miles above or

below the lower falls of Delaware."

On this question, the yeas and nays were demanded, and are:

YEAS.--Messrs. Boudinot, Cadwalader, Gerry and

Sinnickson--4.

NAYS.--Messrs. Ames, Baldwin, Benson, Bland, Brown, Burke,

Carroll, Clymer, Coles, Contee, Fitzsimons, Floyd, Foster,

Gale, Gilman, Griffin, Grout, Goodhue, Hartley, Hathorn,

Heister, Jackson, Lawrence, Lee, Livermore, Madison,

Matthews, Moore, Muhlenberg, Page, Parker, Partridge, Van

Rensselaer, Scott, Seney, Sherman, Sylvester, Smith, (of

Maryland,) Smith, (of South Carolina,) Stone, Sumter,

Thatcher, Trumbull, Tucker, Wadsworth and Wynkoop--46.

Mr. STONE then moved to amend the resolution, by striking out the words

"east bank," and inserting in lieu thereof the word "banks;" and on the

question, that the House do agree to the said amendment, the yeas and

nays being demanded, were as follow:

YEAS.--Messrs. Baldwin, Bland, Boudinot, Brown, Burke,

Cadwalader, Carroll, Coles, Contee, Gale, Griffin, Jackson,

Lee, Madison, Matthews, Moore, Page, Parker, Seney,

Sinnickson, Smith, (of Maryland,) Smith, (of South

Carolina,) Stone, Sumter, Tucker, and Vining--26.

NAYS.--Messrs. Ames, Benson, Clymer, Fitzsimons, Floyd,

Foster, Gerry, Gilman, Goodhue, Grout, Hartley, Hathorn,

Heister, Lawrence, Livermore, Muhlenberg, Partridge, Van

Rensselaer, Scott, Sherman, Sylvester, Thatcher, Trumbull,

Wadsworth and Wynkoop--25.

So it passed in the affirmative.

A motion was then made and seconded, further to amend the said

resolution, by inserting, after the word "Pennsylvania," the words "or

Maryland," and, on the question the House do agree to the said

amendment, it passed in the negative; and the yeas and nays being

demanded, were as follow:

AYES.--Messrs. Baldwin, Bland, Boudinot, Brown, Burke,

Cadwalader, Carroll, Coles, Contee, Gale, Griffin, Jackson,

Lee, Madison, Matthews, Moore, Page, Parker, Sinnickson,

Smith, (of M.) Smith, (of S. C.) Stone, Sumter, Tucker and

Vining--25.

NAYS.--Messrs. Ames, Benson, Clymer, Fitzsimons, Floyd,

Foster, Gerry, Gilman, Goodhue, Grout, Hartley, Hathorn,

Heister, Lawrence, Livermore, P. Muhlenberg, Partridge, Van

Rensselaer, Scott, Seney, Sherman, Sylvester, Thatcher,

Trumbull, Wadsworth and Wynkoop--26.

Mr. LEE expected the question would be divided on the resolution, as it

contained two distinct objects, the permanent and temporary residence.

Mr. PAGE suggested the propriety of striking out the latter part of the

clause, relating to New York, and to confine the resolution merely to

the avowed object, namely, the permanent residence.

The question was taken on striking out, and it passed in the negative,

24 for, 27 against it.

Mr. VINING then moved to strike out the words "City of New York," and

insert, in lieu thereof, "Borough of Wilmington, in the State of

Delaware;" and on the question to agree to the said amendment, the yeas

and nays being demanded, were as follow:

AYES.--Messrs. Baldwin, Bland, Boudinot, Brown, Burke,

Cadwalader, Carroll, Coles, Contee, Gale, Griffin, Jackson,

Lee, Madison, Matthews, Moore, Page, Parker, Sinnickson,

Sumter and Vining--21.

NAYS.--Messrs. Ames, Benson, Clymer, Fitzsimons, Floyd,

Foster, Gerry, Gilman, Goodhue, Grout, Hartley, Hathorn,

Heister, Lawrence, Livermore, Muhlenberg, Partridge, Van

Rensselaer, Scott, Seney, Sherman, Sylvester, Smith, (of

Maryland,) Smith, (of South Carolina,) Stone, Thatcher,

Trumbull, Tucker, Wadsworth and Wynkoop--30.

So it passed in the negative.

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