I am uneasy at seeing that the sale of our western lands is not yet

commenced. That valuable fund for the immediate extinction of our debt

will, I fear, be suffered to slip through our fingers. Every day exposes

it to events, which no human foresight can guard against. When we

consider the temper of the people of that country, derived from the

circumstances which surround them, we must suppose their separation

possible, at every moment. If they can be retained till their

governments become settled and wise, they will remain with us always,

and be a precious part of our strength and our virtue. But this affair

of the Mississippi, by showing that Congress is capable of hesitating

on a question, which proposes a clear sacrifice of the western to the

maritime States, will with difficulty be obliterated. The proposition

of my going to Madrid, to try to recover there the ground which has

been lost at New York, by the concession of the vote of seven States, I

should think desperate. With respect to myself, weighing the pleasure of

the journey and bare possibility of success in one scale, and the strong

probability of failure and the public disappointment directed on me, in

the other, the latter preponderates. Add to this, that jealousy might be

excited in the breast of a person, who could find occasions of making me

uneasy.

The late changes in the ministry here, excite considerable hopes. I

think we gain in them all. I am particularly happy at the reentry of

Malesherbes into the Council. His knowledge and integrity render his

value inappreciable, and the greater to me, because, while he had

no views of office, we had established together the most unreserved

intimacy. So far, too, I am pleased with Montmorin. His honesty proceeds

from the heart as well as the head, and therefore may be more surely

counted on. The King loves business, economy, order, and justice, and

wishes sincerely the good of his people; but he is irascible, rude, very

limited in his understanding, and religious bordering on bigotry. He has

no mistress, loves his queen, and is too much governed by her. She is

capricious, like her brother, and governed by him; devoted to pleasure

and expense; and not remarkable for any other vices or virtues.

Unhappily the King shows a propensity for the pleasures of the table.

That for drink has increased lately, or at least it has become more

known.

For European news in general, I will refer you to my letter to Mr. Jay.

Is it not possible, that the occurrences in Holland may excite a desire

in many of leaving that country, and transferring their effects out of

it, and thus make an opening for shifting into their hands the debts

due to this country, to its officers, and Farmers? It would be surely

eligible. I believe Dumas, if put on the watch, might alone suffice; but

he surely might, if Mr. Adams should go when the moment offers. Dumas

has been in the habit of sending his letters open to me, to be forwarded

to Mr. Jay. During my absence, they passed through Mr. Short’s hands,

who made extracts from them, by which I see he has been recommending

himself and me for the money-negotiations in Holland. It might be

thought, perhaps, that I have encouraged him in this. Be assured, my

Dear Sir, that no such idea ever entered my head. On the contrary, it is

a business which would be the most disagreeable to me of all others,

and for which I am the most unfit person living. I do not understand

bargaining, nor possess the dexterity requisite for the purpose. On the

other hand, Mr. Adams, whom I expressly and sincerely recommend, stands

already on ground for that business, which I could not gain in years.

Pray set me to rights in the minds of those, who may have supposed me

privy to this proposition. _En passant_, I will observe with respect to

Mr. Dumas, that the death of the Count de Vergennes places Congress more

at their ease, how to dispose of him. Our credit has been ill treated

here in public debate, and our debt here deemed apocryphal. We should

try to transfer this debt elsewhere, and leave nothing capable of

exciting ill thoughts between us. I shall mention in my letter to Mr.

Jay, a disagreeable affair which Mr. Barclay has been thrown into,

at Bordeaux. An honester man cannot be found, nor a slower, nor more

decisive one. His affairs, too, are so embarrassed and desperate, that

the public reputation is, every moment, in danger of being

compromitted with him. He is perfectly amiable and honest, with all his

embarrassments.

By the next packet, I shall be able to send you some books, as also your

watch and pedometer. The two last are not yet done. To search for books,

and forward them to Havre, will require more time than I had between

my return and the departure of this packet. Having been a witness,

heretofore, to the divisions in Congress on the subject of their foreign

ministers, it would be a weakness in me to suppose none with respect to

myself, or to count with any confidence on the renewal of my commission,

which expires on the 10th day of March next; and the more so, as instead

of requiring the disapprobation of seven States, as formerly, that of

one suffices for a recall, when Congress consists of only seven States,

two, when of eight, &c. which I suppose to be habitually their numbers

at present. Whenever I leave this place, it will be necessary to begin

my arrangements six months before my departure; and these, once fairly

begun and under way, and my mind set homewards, a change of purpose

could hardly take place. If it should be the desire of Congress that I

should continue still longer, I could wish to know it, at farthest, by

the packet which will sail from New York in September. Because, were

I to put off longer the quitting my house, selling my furniture, he,

I should not have time left to wind up my affairs; and having once

quitted, and sold off my furniture, I could not think of establishing

myself here again. I take the liberty of mentioning this matter to you,

not with a desire to change the purpose of Congress, but to know it in

time. I have never fixed in my mind, the epoch of my return, so far as

shall depend on myself, but I never supposed it very distant. Probably

I shall not risk a second vote on this subject. Such trifling things may

draw on me the displeasure of one or two States, and thus submit me to

the disgrace of a recall.

I thank you for the paccan nuts, which accompanied your letter of March.

Could you procure me a copy of the bill for proportioning crimes and

punishments, in the form in which it was ultimately rejected by the

House of Delegates? Young Mr. Bannister desired me to send him regularly

the _Mercure de France_. I will ask leave to do this through you, and

that you will adopt such method of forwarding them to him, as will save

him from being submitted to postage, which they would not be worth. As

a compensation for your trouble, you will be free to keep them till you

shall have read them. I am, with sentiments of the most sincere esteem,

Dear Sir, your friend and servant,

Th: Jefferson.

LETTER LXI.--TO JOHN JAY, June 21,1787

TO JOHN JAY.

Paris, June 21,1787.

Sir,

I had the honor of addressing you in a letter of May the 4th, from

Marseilles, which was to have gone by the last packet. Bat it arrived

a few hours too late for that conveyance, and has been committed to a

private one, passing through England, with a promise that it should go

through no post-office.

I was desirous, while at the sea-ports, to obtain a list of the American

vessels which have come to them since the peace, in order to estimate

their comparative importance to us, as well as the general amount of our

commerce with this country, so far as carried on in our own bottoms.

At Marseilles, I found there had been thirty-two, since that period; at

Cette, not a single one; at Bayonne, one of our free ports, only one.

This last fact I learned from other information, not having visited that

place; as it would have been a deviation from my route, too considerable

for the importance of the object. At Bordeaux, Nantes, and L’Orient, I

could not obtain lists in the moment; but am in hopes I shall be able

to get them ere long. Though more important to us, they will probably be

more imperfect than that of Marseilles. At Nantes, I began with Monsieur

Dobrée an arrangement of his claims. I visited the military stores,

which have been detained there so long, opened some boxes of each

kind, and found the state of their contents much better than had been

represented. An exact list of the articles is to be sent me.

The importations into L’Orient of other fish-oils, besides those of the

whale, brought to my notice there a defect in the letter of Monsieur de

Calonne, of October the 22nd, which letter was formerly communicated to

you. In that, whale oil only was named. The other fish-oils, therefore,

have continued to pay the old duties. In a conference with Monsieur de

Villedeuil, the present Comptroller General, since my return, I proposed

the extending the exemption to all fish-oils, according to the letter

of the Hanseatic treaty, which had formed the basis of the regulations

respecting us. I think this will be agreed to. The delays of office

first, then the illness of Monsieur de Colonne, and lastly, his removal

and the throng of business occasioned by the _Assemblée des Notables_,

have prevented the reducing the substance of the letter into the form

of an _Arrêt_, as yet though I have continued soliciting it as much

as circumstances would bear. I am now promised that it shall be done

immediately, and it shall be so far retrospective to the date of the

letter, as that all duties paid since that, shall be refunded.

The new accessions of the ministry are valued here. Good is hoped from

the Archbishop of Toulouse, who succeeds the Count de Vergennes as _Chef

du Conseil de finance_. Monsieur de Villedeuil, the Comptroller General,

has been approved by the public, in the offices he has heretofore

exercised. The Duke de Nivernois, called to the Council, is reckoned

a good and able man; and Monsieur de Malesherbes, called also to the

Council, is unquestionably the first character in the kingdom, for

integrity, patriotism, knowledge, and experience in business. There is a

fear that the Marechal de Castries is disposed to retire.

The face of things in Europe is a little turbid, at present; but

probably all will subside. The Empress of Russia, it is supposed, will

not push her pretensions against the Turks to actual war. Weighing

the fondness of the Emperor for innovation, against his want of

perseverance, it is difficult to calculate what he will do with his

discontented subjects in Brabant and Flanders. If those provinces alone

were concerned, he would probably give back; but this would induce an

opposition to his plan, in all his other dominions. Perhaps he may be

able to find a compromise. The cause of the Patriots in Holland is a

little clouded at present.

England and Prussia seem disposed to interpose effectually. The former

has actually ordered a fleet of six sail of the line, northwardly, under

Gore; and the latter threatens to put her troops into motion. The

danger of losing such a weight in their scale, as that of Prussia, would

occasion this court to prefer conciliation to war. Add to this, the

distress of their finances, and perhaps not so warm a zeal in the new

ministry for the innovations in Holland. I hardly believe they will

think it worth while to purchase the change of constitution proposed

there, at the expense of a war. But of these things, you will receive

more particular and more certain details from Mr. Dumas, to whom they

belong.

Mr. Eden is appointed ambassador from England to Madrid. To the hatred

borne us by his court and country, is added a recollection of the

circumstances of the unsuccessful embassy to America, of which he made a

part. So that I think he will carry to Madrid, dispositions to do us all

the ill he can.

The late change in the ministry is very favorable to the prospects

of the Chevalier de la Luzerne. The Count de Montmorin, Monsieur de

Malesherbes, and Monsieur de Lamoignon, the _Garde des Sceaux_, are his

near relations. Probably something will be done for him, and without

delay. The promise of the former administration to the Count de Moutier,

to succeed to this vacancy, should it take place, will perhaps be

performed by the present one.

Mr. Barclay has probably informed you of his having been arrested

in Bordeaux, for a debt contracted in the way of his commerce. He

immediately applied to the parliament of that place, who ordered his

discharge. This took place after five days’ actual imprisonment. I

arrived at Bordeaux a few days after his liberation. As the Procureur

General of the King had interested himself to obtain it, with uncommon

zeal, and that too on public principles, I thought it my duty to wait

on him and return him my thanks. I did the same to the President of the

parliament, for the body over which he presided; what would have been an

insult in America, being an indispensable duty here. You will see by the

enclosed printed paper, on what grounds the Procureur insisted on Mr.

Barclay’s liberation. Those on which the parliament ordered it, are not

expressed. On my arrival here, I spoke with the minister on the subject.

He observed, that the character of Consul is no protection in this

country, against process for debt: that as to the character with

which Mr. Barclay had been invested at the court of Morocco, it was

questionable whether it would be placed on the diplomatic line, as it

had not been derived immediately from Congress; that if it were,

it would have covered him to Paris only, where he had received his

commission, had he proceeded directly thither, but that his long stay at

Bordeaux, must be considered as terminating it there. I observed to him,

that Mr. Barclay had been arrested almost immediately on his arrival at

Bordeaux. But, says he, the arrest was made void by the parliament, and

still he has continued there several weeks. True, I replied, but his

adversaries declared they would arrest him again, the moment he should

be out of the jurisdiction of the parliament of Bordeaux, and have

actually engaged the _Maréchausée_ on the road, to do it. This seemed

to impress him. He said he could obtain a letter of safe conduct which

would protect him to Paris, but that immediately on his arrival here,

he would be liable to arrest. I asked him, if such a letter could not

be obtained to protect him to Paris, and back to Bordeaux, and even to

America? He said, that for that, the consent of the greater part of his

creditors would be necessary; and even with this, it was very doubtful

whether it could be obtained: still, if I would furnish him with that

consent, he would do what should depend on him. I am persuaded he will,

and have written to Mr. Barclay to obtain the consent of his creditors.

This is the footing on which this matter stands at present. I have

stated it thus particularly, that you may know the truth, which will

probably be misrepresented in the English papers, to the prejudice

of Mr. Barclay. This matter has been a great affliction to him, but no

dishonor where its true state is known. Indeed he is incapable of doing

any thing not strictly honorable.

In a letter of August the 30th, 1785, I had the honor of mentioning

to you what had passed here, on the subject of a convention for the

regulation of the two post offices. I now inclose you a letter from the

Baron D’Ogny, who is at the head of that department, which shows that

he still expects some arrangement. I have heard it said, that M. de

Creve-coeur is authorized to treat on this subject. You doubtless know

if this be true. The articles may certainly be better adjusted there,

than here. This letter from the Baron D’Ogny was in consequence of an

application from a servant of mine, during my absence, which would not

have been made had I been here. Nor will it be repeated; it being my

opinion and practice to pay small sums of money, rather than to ask

favors.

I have the honor to inclose you also, copies of a letter and papers

from the Marechal de Castries, on the claim of an individual against the

State of South Carolina, for services performed on board the Indian;

and the petition of another, on a like claim: also copies of letters

received from O’Bryan at Algiers, and from Mr. Lambe. A letter of the

26th of May, from Mr. Montgomery, at Alicant, informs me, that by a

vessel arrived at Carthagena from Algiers, they learn the death of the

Dey of that republic. Yet, as we hear nothing of it through any other

channel, it may be doubted. It escaped me at the time of my departure to

Aix, to make arrangements for sending you the gazettes regularly, by the

packets. The whole are now sent, though a great part of them are so old

as to be not worth perusal. Your favor of April the 24th, has been duly

received.

I have the honor,to be, with sentiments of the most perfect esteem and

respect. Sir, your most obedient and most humble servant,

Th: Jefferson.

LETTER LXII.--TO MADAME DE CORNY, June 30,1787

TO MADAME DE CORNY.

Paris, June 30,1787.

On my return to Paris, it was among my first attentions to go to the rue

Chaussée d’Antin, No. 17, and inquire after my friends whom I had left

there. I was told they were in England. And how do you like England,

Madam? I know your taste for the works of art gives you little

disposition to Anglomania. Their mechanics certainly exceed all others

in some lines. But be just to your own nation. They have not patience,

it is true, to set rubbing a piece of steel from morning to night, as a

lethargic Englishman will do, full charged with porter. But do not their

benevolence, their cheerfulness, their amiability, when compared with

the growling temper and manners of the people among whom you are,

compensate their want of patience? I am in hopes that when the splendor

of their shops, which is all that is worth seeing in London, shall

have lost the charm of novelty, you will turn a wishful eye to the good

people of Paris, and find that you cannot be so happy with any others.

The Bois de Boulogne invites you earnestly to come and survey its

beautiful verdure, to retire to its umbrage from the heats of the

season. I was through it to-day, as I am every day. Every tree charged

me with this invitation to you. Passing by la Muette, it wished for you

as a mistress. You want a country-house. This is for sale; and in the

Bois de Boulogne, which I have always insisted to be most worthy of

your preference. Come then, and buy it. If I had had confidence in your

speedy return, I should have embarrassed you in earnest with my little

daughter. But an impatience to have her with me, after her separation

from her friends, added to a respect for your ease, has induced me to

send a servant for her.

I tell you no news, because you have correspondents infinitely more _au

fait_ of the details at Paris than I am. And I offer you no services,

because I hope you will come as soon as the letter could, which should

command them. Be assured, however, that nobody is more disposed to

render them, nor entertains for you a more sincere and respectful

attachment, than him, who, after charging you with his compliments to

Monsieur de Corny, has the honor of offering you the homage of those

sentiments of distinguished esteem and regard, with which he is, Dear

Madam, your most obedient and most humble servant,

Th: Jefferson.

LETTER LXIII.--TO JOHN ADAMS, July 1, 1787

TO JOHN ADAMS.

Paris, July 1, 1787.

Dear Sir,

I returned about three weeks ago from a very useless voyage; useless,

I mean, as to the object which first suggested it, that of trying the

effect of the mineral waters of Aix, in Provence, on my hand. I

tried these, because recommended among six or eight others as equally

beneficial, and because they would place me at the beginning of a tour

to the seaports of Marseilles, Bordeaux, Nantes, and L’Orient, which I

had long meditated, in hopes that a knowledge of the places and persons

concerned in our commerce, and the information to be got from them,

might enable me sometimes to be useful. I had expected to satisfy myself

at Marseilles, of the causes of the difference of quality between the

rice of Carolina, and that of Piedmont, which is brought in quantities

to Marseilles. Not being able to do it, I made an excursion of three

weeks into the rice country beyond the Alps, going through it from

Vercelli to Pavia, about sixty miles. I found the difference to be, not

in the management, as had been supposed both here and in Carolina, but

in the species of rice; and I hope to enable them in Carolina, to begin

the cultivation of the Piedmont rice, and carry it on, hand in hand,

with their own, that they may supply both qualities which is absolutely

necessary at this market. I had before endeavored to lead the depot of

rice from Cowes to Honfleur, and hope to get it received there on such

terms, as may draw that branch of commerce from England to this country.

It is an object of two hundred and fifty thousand guineas a year. While

passing through the towns of Turin, Milan, and Genoa, I satisfied

myself of the practicability of introducing our whale-oil for their

consumption, and suppose it would be equally so in the other great

cities of that country. I was sorry that I was not authorized to set the

matter on foot. The merchants with whom I chose to ask conferences met

me freely, and communicated fully, knowing I was in a public character.

I could, however, only prepare a disposition to meet our oil-merchants.

On the article of tobacco, I was more in possession of my ground; and

put matters into a train for inducing their government to draw their

tobaccos directly from the United States, and not, as heretofore, from

Great Britain. I am now occupied with the new ministry here, to put

the concluding hand to the new regulations for our commerce with this

country, announced in the letter of Monsieur de Calonne, which I

sent you last fall. I am in hopes, in addition to those, to obtain

a suppression of the duties on tar, pitch, and turpentine, and, an

extension of the privileges of American _whale oil_, to their _fish

oils_ in general. I find that the quantity of cod-fish oil brought to

L’Orient is considerable. This being got off hand (which will be in a

few days), the chicaneries and vexations of the Farmers on the article

of tobacco, and their elusions of the order of Bernis, call for the next

attention. I have reasons to hope good dispositions in the new ministry

towards our commerce with this country. Besides endeavoring, on all

occasions, to multiply the points of contact and connection with this

country, which I consider as our surest mainstay under every event, I

have had it much at heart to remove from between us every subject of

misunderstanding or irritation. Our debts to the King, to the Officers,

and the Farmers, are of this description. The having complied with no

part of our engagements in these, draws on us a great deal of censure,

and occasioned a language in the _Assemblée des Notables_, very likely

to produce dissatisfaction between us. Dumas being on the spot in

Holland, I had asked of him some time ago, in confidence, his opinion of

the practicability of transferring these debts from France to Holland,

and communicated his answer to Congress, pressing them to get you to go

over to Holland, and try to effect this business. Your knowledge of the

ground, and former successes, occasioned me to take this liberty without

consulting you, because I was sure you would not weigh your personal

trouble against public good. I have had no answer from Congress; but

hearing of your journey to Holland, have hoped that some money operation

had led you there. If it related to the debts of this country, I

would ask a communication of what you think yourself at liberty to

communicate, as it might change the form of my answers to the eternal

applications I receive. The debt to the officers of France, carries an

interest of about two thousand guineas, so we may suppose its principal

is between thirty and forty thousand. This makes more noise against us,

than all our other debts put together.

I send you the _Arrêts_ which begin the reformation here, and some

other publications respecting America; together with copies of letters

received from O’Bryan and Lambe. It is believed, that a naval armament

has been ordered at Brest, in correspondence with that of England.

We know, certainly, that orders are given to form a camp in the

neighborhood of Brabant, and that Count Rochambeau has the command of

it. Its amount I cannot assert. Report says fifteen thousand men. This

will derange the plans of economy. I take the liberty of putting under

your cover a letter for Mrs. Kinloch, of South Carolina, with a packet,

and will trouble you to inquire for her, and have them delivered. The

packet is of great consequence, and therefore referred to her care, as

she will know the safe opportunities of conveying it. Should you not be

able to find her, and can forward the packet to its address, by any very

safe conveyance, I will beg you to do it.

I have the honor to be, with sentiments of the most perfect friendship

and esteem, Dear Sir, your most obedient and most humble servant,

Th: Jefferson.

LETTER LXIV.--TO DAVID HARTLEY, July 2,1787

TO DAVID HARTLEY.

Paris, July 2,1787.

Dear Sir,

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