ANTRONIUS, MAGDALIA.

_Ant._ What Sort of Houshold-Stuff do I see?

_Mag._ Is it not that which is neat?

_Ant._ How neat it is, I can't tell, but I'm sure, it is not very

becoming, either a Maid or a Matron.

_Mag._ Why so?

_Ant._ Because here's Books lying about every where.

_Mag._ What have you liv'd to this Age, and are both an Abbot and a

Courtier, and never saw any Books in a Lady's Apartment?

_Ant._ Yes, I have seen Books, but they were _French_; but here I see

_Greek_ and _Latin_ ones.

_Mag._ Why, are there no other Books but _French_ ones that teach

Wisdom?

_Ant._ But it becomes Ladies to have something that is diverting, to

pass away their leisure Hours.

_Mag._ Must none but Ladies be wise, and live pleasantly?

_Ant._ You very improperly connect being wise, and living pleasantly

together: Women have nothing to do with Wisdom; Pleasure is Ladies

Business.

_Mag._ Ought not every one to live well?

_Ant._ I am of Opinion, they ought so to do.

_Mag._ Well, can any Body live a pleasant Life, that does not live a

good Life.

_Ant._ Nay, rather, how can any Body live a pleasant Life, that does

live a good Life?

_Mag._ Why then, do you approve of living illy, if it be but pleasantly?

_Ant._ I am of the Opinion, that they live a good Life, that live a

pleasant Life.

_Mag._ Well, but from whence does that Pleasure proceed? From outward

Things, or from the Mind?

_Ant._ From outward Things.

_Mag._ O subtle Abbot, but thick-skull'd Philosopher! Pray tell me in

what you suppose a pleasant Life to consist?

_Ant._ Why, in Sleeping, and Feasting, and Liberty of doing what you

please, in Wealth, and in Honours.

_Mag._ But suppose to all these Things God should add Wisdom, should you

live pleasantly then?

_Ant._ What is it that you call by the Name of Wisdom?

_Mag._ This is Wisdom, to know that a Man is only happy by the Goods of

the Mind. That Wealth, Honour, and Descent, neither make a Man happier

or better.

_Ant._ If that be Wisdom, fare it well for me.

_Mag._ Suppose now that I take more Pleasure in reading a good Author,

than you do in Hunting, Drinking, or Gaming; won't you think I live

pleasantly?

_Ant._ I would not live that Sort of Life.

_Mag._ I don't enquire what you take most Delight in; but what is it

that ought to be most delighted in?

_Ant._ I would not have my Monks mind Books much.

_Mag._ But my Husband approves very well of it. But what Reason have

you, why you would not have your Monks bookish?

_Ant._ Because I find they are not so obedient; they answer again out of

the Decrees and Decretals of _Peter_ and _Paul._

_Mag._ Why then do you command them the contrary to what _Peter_ and

_Paul_ did?

_Ant._ I can't tell what they teach; but I can't endure a Monk that

answers again: Nor would I have any of my Monks wiser than I am myself.

_Mag._ You might prevent that well enough, if you did but lay yourself

out, to get as much Wisdom as you can.

_Ant._ I han't Leisure.

_Mag._ Why so?

_Ant._ Because I han't Time.

_Mag._ What, not at Leisure to be wise?

_Ant._ No.

_Mag._ Pray what hinders you?

_Ant._ Long Prayers, the Affairs of my Houshold, Hunting, looking after

my Horses, attending at Court.

_Mag._ Well, and do you think these Things are better than Wisdom?

_Ant._ Custom has made it so.

_Mag._ Well, but now answer me this one Thing: Suppose God should grant

you this Power, to be able to turn yourself and your Monks into any Sort

of Animal that you had a Mind: Would you turn them into Hogs, and

yourself into a Horse?

_Ant._ No, by no Means.

_Mag._ By doing so you might prevent any of them from being wiser than

yourself?

_Ant._ It is not much Matter to me what Sort of Animals my Monks are, if

I am but a Man myself.

_Mag._ Well, and do you look upon him to be a Man that neither has

Wisdom, nor desires to have it?

_Ant._ I am wise enough for myself.

_Mag._ And so are Hogs wise enough for themselves.

_Ant._ You seem to be a Sophistress, you argue so smartly.

_Mag._ I won't tell you what you seem to me to be. But why does this

Houshold-Stuff displease you?

_Ant._ Because a Spinning-Wheel is a Woman's Weapon.

_Mag._ Is it not a Woman's Business to mind the Affairs of her Family,

and to instruct her Children?

_Ant._ Yes, it is.

_Mag._ And do you think so weighty an Office can be executed without

Wisdom?

_Ant._ I believe not.

_Mag._ This Wisdom I learn from Books.

_Ant._ I have threescore and two Monks in my Cloister, and you will not

see one Book in my Chamber.

_Mag._ The Monks are finely look'd after all this While.

_Ant._ I could dispense with Books; but I can't bear _Latin_ Books.

_Mag._ Why so?

_Ant._ Because that Tongue is not fit for a Woman.

_Mag._ I want to know the Reason.

_Ant._ Because it contributes nothing towards the Defence of their

Chastity.

_Mag._ Why then do _French_ Books that are stuff'd with the most

trifling Novels, contribute to Chastity?

_Ant._ But there is another Reason.

_Mag._ Let it be what it will, tell me it plainly.

_Ant._ They are more secure from the Priests, if they don't understand

_Latin_.

_Mag._ Nay, there's the least Danger from that Quarter according to your

Way of Working; because you take all the Pains you can not to know any

Thing of _Latin_.

_Ant._ The common People are of my Mind, because it is such a rare

unusual Thing for a Woman to understand _Latin._

_Mag._ What do you tell me of the common People for, who are the worst

Examples in the World that can be follow'd. What have I to do with

Custom, that is the Mistress of all evil Practices? We ought to

accustom ourselves to the best Things: And by that Means, that which was

uncustomary would become habitual, and that which was unpleasant would

become pleasant; and that which seemed unbecoming would look graceful.

_Ant._ I hear you.

_Mag._ Is it becoming a _German_ Woman to learn to speak _French_.

_Ant._ Yes it is.

_Mag._ Why is it?

_Ant._ Because then she will be able to converse with those that speak

_French_.

_Mag._ And why then is it unbecoming in me to learn _Latin_, that I may

be able daily to have Conversation with so many eloquent, learned and

wise Authors, and faithful Counsellors?

_Ant._ Books destroy Women's Brains, who have little enough of

themselves.

_Mag._ What Quantity of Brains you have left I cannot tell: And as for

myself, let me have never so little, I had rather spend them in Study,

than in Prayers mumbled over without the Heart going along with them, or

sitting whole Nights in quaffing off Bumpers.

_Ant._ Bookishness makes Folks mad.

_Mag._ And does not the Rattle of your Pot-Companions, your Banterers,

and Drolls, make you mad?

_Ant._ No, they pass the Time away.

_Mag._ How can it be then, that such pleasant Companions should make me

mad?

_Ant._ That's the common Saying.

_Mag._ But I by Experience find quite the contrary. How many more do we

see grow mad by hard drinking, unseasonable feasting, and sitting up all

Night tippling, which destroys the Constitution and Senses, and has made

People mad?

_Ant._ By my Faith, I would not have a learned Wife.

_Mag._ But I bless myself, that I have gotten a Husband that is not

like yourself. Learning both endears him to me, and me to him.

_Ant._ Learning costs a great Deal of Pains to get, and after all we

must die.

_Mag._ Notable Sir, pray tell me, suppose you were to die to-Morrow, had

you rather die a Fool or a wise Man?

_Ant._ Why, a wise Man, if I could come at it without taking Pains.

_Mag._ But there is nothing to be attained in this Life without Pains;

and yet, let us get what we will, and what Pains soever we are at to

attain it, we must leave it behind us: Why then should we think much to

be at some Pains for the most precious Thing of all, the Fruit of which

will bear us Company unto another Life.

_Ant._ I have often heard it said, that a wise Woman is twice a Fool.

_Mag._ That indeed has been often said; but it was by Fools. A Woman

that is truly wise does not think herself so: But on the contrary, one

that knows nothing, thinks her self to be wise, and that is being twice

a Fool.

_Ant._ I can't well tell how it is, that as Panniers don't become an Ox,

so neither does Learning become a Woman.

_Mag._ But, I suppose, you can't deny but Panniers will look better upon

an Ox, than a Mitre upon an Ass or a Sow. What think you of the Virgin

_Mary_?

_Ant._ Very highly.

_Mag._ Was not she bookish?

_Ant._ Yes; but not as to such Books as these.

_Mag._ What Books did she read?

_Ant._ The canonical Hours.

_Mag._ For the Use of whom?

_Ant._ Of the Order of _Benedictines_.

_Mag._ Indeed? What did _Paula_ and _Eustochium_ do? Did not they

converse with the holy Scriptures?

_Ant._ Ay, but this is a rare Thing now.

_Mag._ So was a blockheaded Abbot in old Time; but now nothing is more

common. In old Times Princes and Emperors were as eminent for Learning

as for their Governments: And after all, it is not so great a Rarity as

you think it. There are both in _Spain_ and _Italy_ not a few Women,

that are able to vye with the Men, and there are the _Morites_ in

_England_, and the _Bilibald-duks_ and _Blaureticks_ in _Germany_. So

that unless you take Care of yourselves it will come to that Pass, that

we shall be Divinity-Professors in the Schools, and preach in the

Churches, and take Possession of your Mitres.

_Ant._ God forbid.

_Mag._ Nay it is your Business to forbid it. For if you hold on as you

have begun, even Geese themselves will preach before they'll endure you

a Parcel of dumb Teachers. You see the World is turn'd up-Side down, and

you must either lay aside your Dress, or perform your Part.

_Ant._ How came I to fall into this Woman's Company? If you'll come to

see me, I'll treat you more pleasantly.

_Mag._ After what Manner?

_Ant._ Why, we'll dance, and drink heartily, and hunt and play, and

laugh.

_Mag._ I can hardly forbear laughing now.

_The EPITHALAMIUM of PETRUS ÆGIDIUS._

The ARGUMENT.

_The Muses and Graces are brought in, as singing the

Epithalamium of_ Peter Ægidius. Alipius _spies the nine

Muses, and the three Graces coming out of a Grove, which_

Balbinus _can't see: They take their Way to_ Antwerp, _to

the Wedding of_ Ægidius, _to whom they wish all joy, that

nothing of Difference or Uneasiness may ever arise

between 'em. How those Marriages prove that are made, the

Graces not favouring 'em. Congratulatory Verses._

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