Signed by

WILLIAM R. STOORS,

_General Coal Agent_.

It was after receiving this from Mr. Stoors that I sent for this

committee.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. Did you know that that committee was in existence at that time?

A. By the papers, sir. The meeting was a public meeting, and the names

of this committee were published in the papers, sir. Nothing secret

about it so far as to the gentlemen who were going upon the committee.

This committee had also called upon Mr. Stoors, making a request for

more wages, which my scrap book that I have, if I had it here, would

give you still fuller than that.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. What did you advise them in the interview, Mr. McKune?

A. I advised them--they disclaimed of having any knowledge of these

parties who were sending letters or attempting to intimidate these men

who were at work at the pumps. They disclaimed any knowledge of that,

and at this interview stated clearly and distinctly that it was against

their wish and desire, and as I said about the proclamation which I

issued in regard to this very matter--the proclamation was framed by us

there, jointly. The language, if you will read it, you would see that

it is very careful--that it is very guarded--there is no implication of

anybody being in the wrong--there is a difference of opinion. The whole

thing was carefully gone over. Our interview lasted from one until

between four and five o'clock. The whole of our interview was extremely

pleasant, and they seemed just about as anxious as I was for the

protection of property, and in the first draft of the proclamation that

I made, there might have been an inference drawn that they were at

fault, and we worked until the proclamation which was issued met their

views.

Q. I understood you to say that you put persons at the pumps before

that interview?

A. No, sir; I had nothing to do with putting them at the pumps. I

notified Mr. Stoors, the general agent, in regard to the interview that

I had. This was on Sunday, sir, and on Monday the men went to work.

Q. To work at the pumps?

A. Yes; there was more or less intimidation in different parts, even

after this. I might state that, sir, and Mr. Stoors probably will be

able to give you a better account of the reports that he received.

Q. I understand the pumps were working at the time of the assemblage of

this crowd, on the 1st of August?

A. Yes; the pumps were working more or less.

Q. And trains had been started?

A. Yes. The pumps were not being worked by the regular engineers or

regular pumpmen.

Q. By whom were they worked?

A. Mostly by men--foremen and other men that understood how to work the

pumps, but were not the regular men--were not the men who had

previously operated these pumps, in no single instance.

Q. By whom were they sent there?

A. By the company.

Q. The trains were run on that day also?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Were the freight trains run?

A. Oh, yes, sir.

Q. All trains?

A. Oh, there was no coal going out, because there was no coal mined.

What freight there was through freight, and passenger trains were

running on schedule time.

Q. In the crowd of men that were assembled there when you went down to

the Lackawanna office--Delaware and Lackawanna was it?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you see any men that you knew--railroad men or mechanics--about

the city--the men you were accustomed to see?

A. Oh, yes; saw quite a number standing about. A large number even upon

the railway, and a large number of our business men and prominent

citizens drawn there to look upon the crowd.

Q. Were any of those engaged in riotous conduct that you knew?

A. No, sir.

Q. Railroad men?

A. No, sir.

Q. Miners?

A. No, sir. The first of the parties who had swept through the shops

and who came out from under the shops, there was not a man of them that

I recognized as a man I had ever seen before.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. These men that you knew were simply standing about?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Were they the men that undertook to protect you?

A. Some of them probably did, sir.

Q. Did any of your mechanics in the city engage in the riots when it

was once precipitated?

A. Well, sir, they were among the crowd that passed me as I was coming

up Lackawanna avenue. There were quite a number of those that I had

passed in going down, and while the cry was being made, "Now for

Lackawanna avenue; now for the company's store."

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. They joined with the rioters after you returned?

A. Yes, sir.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. I wish you would state whether the action of the council in refusing

to pay extra police was justifiable. Whether at that time the condition

of affairs here was in a condition to warrant them in taking that

action?

A. No, sir; it was not, because I had, as I said, but eight special

policemen, whom I had sent out to the different parts and to the

different properties upon which I received notification, I placed these

special men. You, gentlemen, can judge whether a city of thirty-five

thousand inhabitants, the larger portion, or a larger per centage of

that of the laboring element--whether a force of twenty men is any too

great a force as a police and protective force. I leave that for you,

gentlemen, to judge.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. Do I understand you to say that you called your council together

with a view of then taking some action on this subject?

A. On Wednesday I consulted with a number of the council in regard to

whether we had not better call a meeting, and what was best to be done

in the matter; but this meeting where these resolutions were passed, I

think, was a regular meeting. I am not clear in regard to that.

Q. They declined to meet. Is that what I understand you?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. What reasons did they give?

A. They thought it was not necessary--the one or two I talked to.

Q. Did they say why they thought it was not necessary?

A. No. Everything was quiet and peaceful.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. Then, at this regular meeting, what action did they take in regard

to disturbances?

A. There had been none at that time.

Q. But afterwards you said there was a regular meeting?

A. No, sir.

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. This crowd that swept through the shops was headed by a man who was

a stranger?

A. They all were strangers.

Q. Was that the same crowd that was fired on in the street?

A. I should judge that some of them were the same.

Q. Were those men that were killed strangers?

A. Two of them were not residents of the city. I believe one of them

was.

Q. Were any of your posse killed?

A. No, sir; but two of them were wounded, sir, with pistol shots.

Q. With pistol shots?

A. With pistol shots and with clubs. Two were wounded with pistol

shots, and one with clubs.

Q. Did you ever ascertain where those two strangers that were killed

came from?

A. Yes; I think one of the killed was from the Sixth ward, and two from

the adjoining township--Lackawanna township.

Q. Were they railroaders?

A. Men employed in the mines--around the mines.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Were any more of the rioters wounded?

A. There was one man--a young man--was wounded. A one legged Welsh boy

that had formerly worked for the Lackawanna Coal Company, and he

recovered.

Q. Did you, in your first correspondence with the Governor, did you

think that you were able to control matters here in the city, and did

you so indicate to him, without the aid of the militia of the State?

A. The following is a copy; I am not clear whether the date is right:

"Governor Hartranft, in consulting with my advisory committee, they do

not deem troops necessary, and advise against home troops," and

further, on the 28th I telegraphed to the Governor again, as follows:

"All quiet. I expect to get the pumps in the mines going to-morrow." I

telegraphed to the Governor, "The employés of the railroad company have

just informed me that their difficulties have been adjusted, or have

been settled," and again, on the 29th, I telegraphed to the Governor,

"Pumps will start to-morrow. Send no troops until you hear further from

me Am in hopes of a peaceful settlement."

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. That was at the time of this agreement.

A. Yes, sir.

By Mr. Larrabee:

Q. What date was that dispatch?

A. The 29th, sir.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. What date did you call upon the Governor to send you troops?

A. The 1st day of August, sir.

Q. After the conflict?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. As part of our duties is to find out about the conduct of the

militia, I wish the mayor would just state what was the conduct of the

militia during their presence here?

A. I can say, in regard to the militia--I don't know much about them,

for I have very little knowledge of General Brinton's command that was

here, for I was quite severely unwell, and was not out much, any

further than going down in my carriage, and calling on General Lyle. In

reference to those that remained, you are aware some of them remained

here for three months, the Nineteenth, under Hartley Howard, and the

First Pennsylvania. Their conduct was most excellent, so much so as to

receive the encomiums, upon all sides, of every person.

By Mr. Larrabee:

Q. You say that you were at Ocean Grove at the time you heard of the

Pittsburgh riots?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. How long had you been there?

A. I had been down a week previous.

Q. Had there been any rumors of any difficulty here, prior to the

commencement of the Pittsburgh riots?

A. I telegraphed, on Saturday, to Mr. Halsted, superintendent, like

this: "Do you apprehend any difficulty; if so I will return home." He

telegraphed me, on Saturday: "I apprehend none; if I do so I will wire

you." I have not got a copy of that telegram here.

Q. Did you, from any source, receive any intimation that there was

liability to be any strike here, prior to the outbreak at Pittsburgh?

A. No, sir; not in the least.

Q. In your judgment, was this trouble here precipitated by the news of

the rioting at other places?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. You think it grew out of that? That, the news of what was going on

at other places, stirred up the workingmen, and incited them to do as

they did?

A. Yes; permit me to say that I do not believe the miners would ever

have come out of the mines, had the railroad men not suspended, and if

the coal had been taken away from them as they mined it, the men would

not, in my opinion, have come out of the mines.

Q. You think, then, it was a sort of a fellow-feeling that animated the

workingmen here?

A. You might call it an epidemic.

Q. Will you state whether there were any symptoms of any difficulty or

uneasiness among the men here prior to the news having been received of

trouble?

A. There was none. Everything was the most perfect quiet when I left

home.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. The fact that the railroad was not carrying away the coal, was not

that the cause of the miners coming out of the mines?

A. That is what I say, sir. I wish that to be on record.

Q. Did you ascertain who these men were that were interfering with the

pumps at the mines?

A. No, sir; I do not know as I did.

Q. Were they miners on a strike?

A. No, sir; there were no arrests made of those. There were arrests

made, afterwards, for an attempt of riot somewhere along about the 20th

August, I should think, sir, by one of the companies of Colonel

Howard's command--I think some five or six--my record book would tell

the date, and soon--who were tried, and afterwards convicted at our

county court.

Q. Men engaged in interfering with the pumps?

A. I don't know whether it was that, or an attempt. I think that was an

attempt at riot about that date.

Q. Were any of the rioters arrested that were engaged in this riot

here, on the streets, afterwards?

A. I think there has been some, sir.

Q. Were any of your posse arrested?

A. Yes; thirty-eight were.

Q. Arrested on information of some of the rioters?

A. The finding of the coroner's jury, sir. A coroner's inquest was

held.

Q. Were they tried?

A. They were.

Q. By whom--the court?

A. The court, Judge Harding presiding.

Q. On what charge?

A. Upon a charge of murder--manslaughter.

Q. Were they acquitted?

A. They were.

Q. Were any of the rioters tried, that were arrested?

A. I think there has been, sir. There are other gentlemen here, who had

charge of that matter, that will be able to testify better in regard to

that than myself.

Q. At the office where you found the young lady, state whether any

assault was made upon that by the crowd or mob?

A. None, that I know of.

Q. Was there any made after that time, or where did the crowd go, and

what became of the inmates of the office?

A. The attention of the crowd was drawn away from that part over

towards me, and the party who came out from the shops.

Q. Had you been informed they were in danger?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And that is the reason you went down there?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And after you got there, and found the young lady in a fainting

condition, you did not consider it advisable to take them away from

there, and didn't do so?

A. I didn't? consider it advisable to take them away, and made no

effort so to do.

Q. You did not consider it advisable?

A. No, sir.

Q. Did they afterwards escape from the office, and reach their homes?

A. Without any difficulty.

Q. Why didn't you consider it advisable to take them away, if they were

in danger?

A. I did not consider they were in danger.

By Mr. Means:

Q. I suppose you considered them more safe, than taking them away in

the street?

A. Yes, sir.

* * * * *

Joshua Thomas, _sworn_:

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. State where you reside, if you please?

A. I am residing at Hyde Park.

Q. What is your occupation?

A. I am a blacksmith.

Q. Were you here in July last, when the difficulty occurred?

A. I was.

Q. On what day was it that the disturbance took place in the streets

here?

A. On the 1st of August.

Q. Will you please state whether you had any previous knowledge of the

intention or existence of any disturbance, prior to that date?

A. No, sir; I had none.

Q. And what was the first thing that you noticed or discovered?

A. At the silk-factory meeting?

Q. Yes. State whether you were at the silk factory meeting?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. For what purpose was that meeting called?

A. As near as I could learn on the streets, the men anticipated hearing

the reports of the standing committee of the Delaware and Hudson Canal

Company, and they all went down there expecting to hear the committee

report as to the result of the intercourse with the company.

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