A. He said fire, as loud as I am talking now. I was not sixteen feet
away from him.
Q. Did you see the troops when they came out of the round-house?
A. When they came out, on Sunday morning, I saw them go up Penn avenue.
I did not see them leave the round-house.
Q. How were they marching, in order?
A. Yes; in order.
Q. Was anybody firing on them?
A. I did see one man, just as I was coming down the hill. I went up
there to see the burning from the top of the hill, near what they call
the pest-house, and saw the soldiers between the round-house and the
square shop.
Q. That was not where they marched out Penn street before the fire?
A. The fire was pretty close to the round-house when the cars were
fired.
Q. That was after the troops had fired?
A. This was at five o'clock Sunday morning.
Q. When they came out?
A. The soldiers that were in there, they were firing away all night,
and when I came out they were getting down off the hill on
Twenty-eighth street, and the troops were getting out then, and I was
coming down. The tail end of them were passing, and a man came down
Twenty-eighth street in his shirt sleeves--a pretty good sized man, not
too big--and he had a musket, and he was rolling up his shirt sleeves,
and when he came to the drug store, corner of Twenty-eighth and Penn, I
seen him raising his musket. I thought they would return back the fire
up that street and I got down the alley and run into the house.
Q. Did you make any attempt to arrest this man?
A. No.
Q. Did you not think it was your duty, as constable, to stop that man
from shooting?
A. If the whole police force could not stop him, I could not stop him.
Q. You did not try?
A. I was afraid of the gun.
Q. Did you see anybody else shoot?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you know this man?
A. No, sir; never saw him, to my knowledge. Could not describe him to
you.
Q. What did he say when he was shooting?
A. I was not that close to him. I did not get that close.
Q. Were you over there on Thursday, when the strike first took place?
A. I was up there; yes, sir.
Q. Did you hear any of the men say why they struck?
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you know any of the causes that led them to strike?
A. It was putting on double-headers. I believe that was the cause I
heard for it.
Q. Was there any disturbance there Thursday?
A. No, sir; there was very few there on Thursday.
Q. Were there on Friday?
A. Friday they commenced to gather a little; on Saturday, there was
upwards of a thousand.
Q. Were you called upon at any time to exert your authority to keep the
peace?
A. No, sir; the city did not pay me for that as a constable.
Q. Is not that part of your duties as a constable?
A. It is a part of my duty as constable to try to suppress or arrest
anybody I would see acting disorderly on the street, but a constable
among two or three hundred men is of very little use. We ain't paid by
the city government as constable, to do anything----
By Senator Yutzy:
Q. Could you not have arrested this man who was firing on the troops?
A. I do not know.
Q. Were you not armed?
A. I was not.
Q. Had no pistol?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you try to get somebody else to assist you in arresting this
man?
A. It was too early in the morning. There was nobody out of bed,
hardly.
Q. You did not follow after the troops. You say you went home?
A. I went home. Yes, sir.
Q. Stayed there?
A. Stayed there.
Q. Did you see any police about the fire during Sunday--see them making
any effort to put out the fire or prevent it?
A. I did not. I went to my mother-in-law's on Sunday.
Q. You were not about then on Sunday?
A. No, sir.
Q. Do not know anything about what occurred then, of your own
observation?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you see Mayor McCarthy about on Sunday?
A. No, sir; I did not.
Q. Saturday night?
A. No, sir; he might have been there. I did not see him.
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