The first witness examined was--

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Henry Metzgar, _sworn with the uplifted hand_:

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Where do you reside?

A. In the Eighth ward, Pittsburgh.

Q. What official position did you hold in the city last July?

A. I was the mayor's clerk.

Q. What knowledge had you on Thursday of any disturbance among the

railroad employés?

A. I think my first knowledge was on Wednesday, but to get at the data

I would request to send for the information made against Thomas McCall.

[A paper exhibited to witness.]

Q. Is that a copy of the information?

A. Yes. On Thursday, the 19th, Mr. Watt came into the office, and asked

for a number of policemen. As to the exact number I don't know, I

didn't exactly hear the number, but I understood he wanted ten

policemen to go out on the Pennsylvania railroad. The mayor went out

with me to the chief of detectives, and they got a number of policemen,

and arranged them up in line, and I think I asked Mr. Watt how many he

wanted, and he said ten. One or more of them then stepped out of the

ranks. Ten policemen went out, I believe, to the railroad. About twelve

o'clock of that day we received a telegram, asking, I think, for fifty

policemen additional.

Q. From whom?

A. To the best of my recollection the telegram was from Mr. Watt. I

immediately went out and hunted some of the policemen who had been

discharged--I hunted them up, and several of the officers went out and

hunted them up. I notified a number myself to report at the office for

duty at the Pennsylvania Railroad Company's depot. How many reported I

don't know. It not being my special duty, I paid no attention to it.

But I know a number of them reported. Where they went to I don't know

personally. About four o'clock that evening, the mayor asked me if

there was any news from the Twelfth ward. I told him I could telegraph

to the Twelfth ward and see. We did so, and the report came from the

station that all was quiet.

Q. The Twelfth ward takes in this district at Twenty-eighth street?

A. Yes; the mayor then left the office to go to Castle Shannon where

his family is, as I believed, for the night. About that time--about

five o'clock, Mr. Watt came in and asked for from fifty to a hundred

additional policemen. I told him I didn't know where we could get

them--that all we had for effective duty was ninety men, and, in the

absence of the mayor, I couldn't take away the policemen from all

portions of the city, for the purpose of protecting the property of the

railroad company. Mr. Watt said to me, what will I do. I said, I don't

know--the only thing--if you have a fear of any danger to your

property--you had better call upon the sheriff, and the sheriff can

call a _posse comitatus_ to protect the property if there is any

danger. Mr. Watt said he would do so. That is the last I saw of him

until some time after the riot. No--the next morning--the morning of

the 20th--he came in, and made this information against Thomas McCall.

The mayor, at the time, said to him, that our police force was very

limited, and in making those arrests we would have to make quiet

arrests. The warrants were placed in the hands of the officers, for the

purpose of ascertaining where those parties lived, and to find out who

they were, and all about them. For the most part, they were strangers,

as far as we knew. Officer McGovern had the warrants. The next morning

Mr. Houseman, of the firm of Hampton & Dalzell, came into the office,

and asked me how many of the parties had been arrested. I told him I

didn't know that any were arrested. That the mayor's instructions were

to proceed quietly. He said, can you give me this information. I said,

no, it is part of the record, and cannot go out of our hands. He then

asked for the names of the parties against whom the information was

brought, and he copied the names, and as he was going out he said, I am

instructed by Mr. Hampton to tell you folks not to execute these

warrants. I said, very well--this is a matter entirely in your own

hands. I went out with him to the officer, and told the officer to

produce his warrants. He produced them, and I told him, you are

instructed by Mr. Hampton, through Mr. Houseman, not to execute them.

He said, that was all right. That is all I know, unless some special

question may arise.

Q. How many policemen had been discharged prior to Thursday?

A. One hundred and sixteen.

Q. How long had they been discharged before that?

A. They were discharged, I think, sometime about the latter part of

June, or may be the 1st of July. I am not certain as to the date.

Q. Had you any knowledge of any anticipated outbreak or strike by the

men before it was communicated to you by Mr. Watt?

A. Not the slightest. And at that time we had no idea there was going

to be any such trouble at all, as we have had sometimes in this city.

Q. You were present when Mr. Watt asked the mayor to furnish him with

the police?

A. I was in the office.

Q. You heard the mayor's reply?

A. He went out with Mr. Watt and instructed the chief of police to get

the men.

Q. Did Mr. Watt have to promise to pay the men before the mayor gave

that instruction?

A. I believe something was said about pay. These men, you see, were not

on the pay-rolls of the city. The regular men were in bed or scattered

all over the city. These men happened to be there that day, being paid

off.

Q. Did the mayor require Mr. Watt to become responsible for their pay?

A. I believe something was said about the railroad company--that it

would have to pay the men, as no provision was made by the city for

their pay. I think very few of these men were on the regular force.

Q. Did the mayor make that a condition before he instructed you to send

out for the men?

A. He never instructed me to send out for anybody.

Q. Who did he instruct?

A. Either the chief of detectives or the chief of police--I cannot

remember which.

Q. Did he make any order at that time, calling out policemen?

A. Not as I know of.

Q. These men went out as volunteers?

A. Yes; in that sense. They were men who had been discharged. They went

out under the control of Officer Charles McGovern.

Q. They volunteered to go?

A. We had no right to make a demand on them as a police force. They

were not in the employ of the city.

Q. When the telegram came to you calling for fifty policemen, what

effort did you make to get them?

A. We hunted them up as well as we could. A great many of these men

wouldn't go because they were incensed at the city for discharging

them, but a number of them did respond.

Q. You hunted up as many as you could get to go willingly?

A. Yes.

Q. How many?

A. About thirty-five. It not being my special business, I didn't pay

much attention to it.

Q. Did you notify the mayor of that call for fifty additional police?

A. Yes; he sent us out, and says, go hunt them up.

Q. How many did you get?

A. I think about thirty-five. I never burdened my mind specially with

that.

Q. Did you get another call from the railroad company?

A. I have no recollection of another call, except when Mr. Watt came

and said he wanted from fifty to one hundred men additional.

Q. Did you communicate that to the mayor?

A. I did when he came into the city, at eight o'clock on that evening.

Q. What evening?

A. Thursday evening.

Q. What did the mayor say?

A. He said he didn't know where he could get the policemen. Our

intention in calling the police was simply to protect property from

getting stolen.

Q. Did he make a demand upon the citizens of the city to join the

police force at any time?

A. We made a demand--certainly we did.

Q. When?

A. On Sunday night, for instance, when I made a call upon the citizens

to volunteer to protect the water works of the city.

Q. Had you made any demand prior to that Sunday night?

A. I cannot say. I know of that for a fact.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. What demand?

A. He said, how many people will volunteer to protect the water-works

of the city, and I ask for volunteers. As I understood, they intended

to burn them down. Out of some two hundred men, four responded, I

think. He said he understood they were in danger.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. But he summoned no posse from the citizens of the city during the

riots, did he?

A. I don't know that he did.

Q. How many of those discharged policemen were at the city hall on

Thursday when those ten men went out?

A. I cannot say how many were there. They were in and out, being paid

off. I cannot say how many. Quite a number of them, I know.

Q. How many could you have got to go out there at that time, do you

think?

A. We got all we could.

Q. To go voluntarily?

A. Yes; I know, personally, I used every exertion I could, and I know

Mr. Davis was out hunting up men.

Q. Were you out there during the riots at any time?

A. I was out on Friday.

Q. At what point?

A. At Twenty-eighth street.

Q. How large a crowd was there?

A. At the time I was there I suppose probably a thousand people were

there.

Q. How many were engaged in the riotous proceedings?

A. None that I saw.

Q. What were they doing at that time?

A. They were assembled there listening to a speech made by Doctor

Donnelly, counseling moderation, and advising those not connected with

the railroad to go home and attend to their own business. Some other

speeches were made by one or two more.

Q. What was the effect of the speech upon the crowd?

A. I don't know that it had any effect. It had no special effect

particularly one way or another.

Q. Did they listen to it?

A. Yes.

Q. Did they make any response to it in any way?

A. Some response was made to Doctor Donnelly when he counseled those

having no business there to go home. Some of them made some remarks

from the outside of the crowd--that is enough now, you just stop there;

and things of that kind.

Q. What time did the mayor return from Castle Shannon?

A. Shortly after eight o'clock. It may have been eight and a half

o'clock.

Q. Where did he remain during the night?

A. In the office, I think.

Q. All night?

A. I can't say, for I didn't stay there.

Q. Where was the mayor Friday, during the day?

A. In and out the office all day, so far as I know. I know he was

there.

Q. Was any effort made to increase the police force on Friday?

A. Not that I know of.

Q. Nor on Saturday?

A. No.

Q. When were the discharged men placed back on the police force?

A. They were not placed back on the police force until Monday. I think

Monday a number of them reported for duty. A committee of councils, or

councils held a session on Sunday morning; but there was so much

confusion that nothing was done. The police force was not replaced

until Monday or Tuesday; that is, the additional men.

By Mr. Means:

Q. Where is the mayor at the present time?

A. In Philadelphia, I believe. He has left a note that he would be home

to-morrow.

Q. What was said about these men being paid?

A. There was some conversation about the railroad company--that it

would have to pay these men, because the men were not on the pay-rolls

of the city at the time.

Q. Did the mayor make that inquiry of Mr. Watt, as to who would pay?

A. I know there was some conversation on that subject.

Q. Did or did not the mayor say to you that it was necessary for the

officers of the railroad to go out of town, that their lives were in

jeopardy?

A. No.

Q. Did anybody else say so?

A. No.

Q. Did you ever hear it said?

A. No; only after the riots. I understood they left town for fear of

that, and I was rather astonished to find that some of them had been

out of town.

Q. Did anybody there state to you that General Pearson had better go

out of town?

A. No.

Q. Did you know of his being out of town?

A. No.

Q. Did you know of any of those railroad officers being out of town?

A. No; only subsequently.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Did any of the citizens call upon the mayor, requesting him to put

on an additional force?

A. Well, I guess--I do not know that. They did not up to Saturday

afternoon, until the time of this firing.

Q. Didn't they do it on Friday?

A. No.

Q. On Saturday?

A. Not that I know of.

Q. Did they offer to become responsible for the payment of the

additional police?

A. When?

Q. Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?

A. I never heard of it at all. I never heard any such an offer made.

The committee of public safety afterwards agreed to pay a certain

number of men on the police force from that time until the end of the

year.

Q. When did they make that proposition?

A. I think Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday, but it was after all the

trouble had occurred, so far as I know anything of it.

Q. You know nothing of any such offer having been made on Friday,

Saturday, or Sunday?

A. No.

Q. Were you with the mayor during those days?

A. Off and on, Friday and Saturday. On Sunday I was at the central

station until twelve o'clock, noon. We had about one hundred and

twenty-five prisoners there Sunday morning, and it took all my

attention until noon that day to get through with the business.

Q. What were they arrested for?

A. For carrying away property, and stuff, and various things, and

disorderly conduct. One thing and another of that kind.

Q. For larceny and disorderly conduct?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Before whom were they taken?

A. Before Deputy Mayor Butler.

Q. What was done with those persons?

A. Some were fined, and some were held for court, and some were

discharged. A great many were discharged, as one of the officers came

down with the report that the jailor said that he could not hold them

or keep them.

Q. What persons were they who were arrested?

A. I cannot say. Most of those names are fictitious.

Q. Did you get their residences?

A. No; the residences were not taken.

Q. How many did you hold for court?

A. That I cannot say.

Q. Did you keep a record of it?

A. Yes; there is a record of it.

Q. Have you the record now in your office?

A. I do not know whether it is there now. I passed the record out of my

hands to the comptroller of the city.

Q. How many were fined?

A. Quite a number.

Q. Did they pay their fines?

A. Some of them did and some went to jail.

Q. How many went to jail?

A. That I cannot say.

Q. Can't you make an estimate?

A. I really could not, because you can imagine that morning I had not

much stomach for anything to keep facts and figures. It is just a

general idea. Everything was in such terrible confusion.

Q. How large were the fines?

A. From three to five dollars.

Q. You say you cannot tell who those men were, or where they resided?

A. No; they were people I never saw before.

Q. Those who were committed to jail. Did you ever ascertain afterward

who they were and where they came from?

A. I did not.

Q. Did you ever make any effort?

A. I never did. The police made efforts afterwards to try to ascertain,

I believe, who they were, but I do not know what they did, or whether

they did anything or not.

Q. Can't you tell something about what class of people they were from

their dress?

A. They all looked to be of the poorer class of people, but what they

were or who they were I cannot say.

Q. Can't you tell whether they were tramps or railroad men or people of

the poorer class?

A. Some were tramps--I know that. I have a recollection of that. I

don't think there were any railroad men. There may have been a few, but

a very few, though. They were generally of the poorer class of people,

picking up plunder.

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. Were they Pittsburghers?

A. That I cannot say. I never saw them before, and have never seen them

since.

By Mr. Means:

Q. When those policemen were sent out there, was there any arrangement

made by Mr. Watt, or any other person, to keep the time of the men

while in service?

A. I had nothing to do with that. That was a matter for the clerk of

the chief of police to attend to. I know that Mr. Watt, or somebody,

sent down a check to pay them.

Q. Have you any recollection of a party of eighty sent to the

work-house?

A. I remember a party of forty-six sent there. They came here from

Cumberland, and were arrested on the arrival of the train here.

Q. What train?

A. On the Connellsville railroad.

Q. Those were all sent up in a body?

A. Yes, sir.

By Mr. Larrabee:

Q. When was that?

A. On the 23d or 24th of July.

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R. H. Fife, _sworn with the uplifted hand_:

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Were you sheriff of Allegheny county last July?

A. Yes.

Q. How long have you been sheriff?

A. Two years the first Monday of last January.

Q. State what knowledge you have of the disturbance of the peace that

commenced on the 19th of July last?

A. On the 19th of July last I had been out of the city during a part of

that day, and came home late in the evening. I went to my house, and

remained there until sometime in the night. I had been sleeping, I

think. About eleven o'clock, between that and twelve o'clock----

Q. Thursday night?

A. Yes. Mr. Scott--that is Mr. John Scott--Mr. Watt, and another

gentleman--I do not recollect his name--came to the house. I came down

and admitted them into the parlor. They told me of the trouble they

had--that Mr. Watt had been assaulted, and that a large crowd was out

there. They wished me to go out and see what I could do. I told them I

would go, and I put my coat on, and called one of my deputies--Mr.

Haymaker--and we started down to Union depot. There we met General

Pearson, and he went with us out to one of the offices--I do not know

just what office--and then General Pearson and Mr. Watt--I think Mr.

Watt went along, or some other gentleman connected with the

railroad--and I went up to Twenty-eighth street.

Q. What time did you arrive at Twenty-eighth street?

A. It was after the middle of the night--between twelve and one

o'clock. There was a large crowd of rough people there. But probably I

am a little ahead of my story when I speak of Twenty-eighth street. On

my road up from the depot to Twenty-eighth street, the cars on the

siding there, and on the tracks that were not filled with merchandise,

appeared to be all filled with people. A number of them were in there

sleeping, and others were in there carousing. All the cars appeared to

be full. At Twenty-eighth street, I asked why that assemblage of people

were there, and they said they were on a strike, and that they proposed

to stop the freight trains from going out, and that they had stopped

them. I told them they were acting contrary to the law, and that they

must disperse. The reply was, "go to hell you gray-headed old son of a

bitch," that and other pet names of similar character. I then repeated

the order that they must disperse, and that if I had not the power to

do it, that I would have to try to get power sufficient to do it. They

then replied, that General Pearson and I both might go to hell, that

they had the mayor and his force on their side, and that Mr. T. C.

Jenkins had agreed to give them one thousand barrels of flour to stand

out, and that Mr. Alexander King had agreed to give them a thousand

dollars. I told them they did not know those gentlemen as well as I

did, or they would not talk that way. They said they knew them, and

that we had better take a walk. About this time there was a diversion

in the crowd. A courier came with a piece of paper--I did not have it

in my hand, I did not get to see it--but a large number of them ran

across, and they read the communication aloud. It read something in

this way: "Hold your position until to-morrow morning, and we will send

five hundred coal miners to assist you." It purported to come from the

Monongahela Valley. They then assembled back. I was up on a pile of

lumber talking to them, and I commenced to talk again, but, after this,

they were far more abusive than before. The language would not do to

repeat. In a short time another courier came with another

communication, representing to come from Wilkes-Barre, that parties

there would be here to assist them as soon as they could.

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. Were these people you spoke of, railroad men?

A. Not many of them. A portion of them were, but not many. They were

the bad elements of society from all parts of the city, and from some

parts of the county, in connection with thieves and blackguards from

other parts of the country. A great many strangers were there. I made

that remark to one of the railroad officials, that the crowd was not

composed entirely of our people, and he differed with me, and I gave

this answer at the time--I said "These are not our people, for I claim

to know as many men in Allegheny county as any other man in it, and

they are strangers here that I never saw." Some females were there, or

ladies, the worst I ever saw.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. You speak now of Thursday night?

A. Yes; my first introduction to the crowd. I remained some time,

trying to get them to disperse. They did not offer me any violence, but

refused to go, and said they would die there sooner than they would be

driven off. One man there, who appeared to be a leader, had served two

terms in the penitentiary. I knew him by sight. He appeared to be a

leader. He was not a railroad man, and I do not think ever had been.

Q. What was his name?

A. He was killed on Saturday morning, by the Philadelphia soldiers,

and, probably, I had better not name him. He amused himself up to

Saturday morning annoying everybody, and was shot on Saturday morning.

I became satisfied, that no force I had or could convene could hold

that crowd there then, or the crowd that would likely be there in the

morning. So I telegraphed to the Governor.

Q. What time was that?

A. It was after midnight. I suppose, about two o'clock.

Q. Friday morning?

A. Yes; I suppose so. I cannot give the exact time.

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. It was during that night?

A. Yes; about two o'clock. I telegraphed to the Secretary of the

Commonwealth and to the Adjutant General.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Have you copies of those telegrams?

A. I think I have in my safe.

Q. I wish you would give us copies of them?

A. I will do so. I received an answer sometime after that that he had

ordered General Pearson to call out one regiment of volunteers to

assist in putting down the riot.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. Who was this from?

A. I think from Secretary Quay or the Adjutant General. General Pearson

then was ordered to call out the regiment here--the Duquesne Greys.

They were called out to be in readiness at a certain hour in the

morning. Afterwards I walked down to the city hall, and found about

thirty men there, and a number of them were trying to get home as fast

as they could. About thirty of them I saw in uniform at the city hall.

During the forenoon of Friday, I went with General Pearson and some

others, out through the mob or crowd at Twenty-eighth street, and along

the line up to Twenty-eighth street, and up to Torrens station. There

was a large crowd also, and very boisterous, and apparently very

determined. I talked to them, and urged them to disperse, but they

hooted and jeered. They did not use quite so bad language, but there

was plenty of it, as they had done the night before. They told me they

would wade in blood to their knees before they would disperse, and that

it was blood or bread with them. I also read a proclamation to them,

purporting to come from the Governor, and they hooted and jeered at

that, and said they did not care, that they were going to stop those

trains and had stopped them. It was then about eleven o'clock, and they

said at that hour the railroads over the whole country are stopped.

General Pearson attempted to address them, but they hooted and jeered

at him. I believe he offered to buy a car load of bread and bring it

out to them if they would disperse, but they said it was blood or bread

with them, and they would not disperse. One young man that appeared to

act as spokesman of the crowd while General Pearson was talking to

them--I went to him, and asked him why he was acting in the way he was,

and why this crowd was here. I am going to give you his answer: He said

the Pennsylvania Railroad Company has two ends, one in Philadelphia and

one in Pittsburgh. We have determined on a strike, and in Philadelphia

they have a strong police force, and they are with the railroad, but in

Pittsburgh they have a weak force, and it is a mining and manufacturing

district, and we can get all the help we want from the laboring

elements, and we have determined to make the strike here. I said to

him: "Are you a railroader?" he said "No. I am a laboring man and not a

railroader." I then asked him his name. He said: "It might be John

Smith and might be John Jones, but I am not here to tell you what it

is." I said: "Where do you live?" He said "In the eastern part of the

State." I advised him to go home, and not engage in this bad business,

but he said he intended to see it through or leave his corpse here. I

might say, at East Liberty I warned them to disperse, the crowd, and

when they refused to disperse, I warned the women and children to

disperse--that the military would be there in a short time, and

probably somebody would be hurt. I warned all having no part in the

riot to get out of the road. The women answered me that they were there

to urge the men on to do what they wanted. Who the women were I do not

know, but they answered me in that way. That was in the forenoon of

Friday. About noon there was a request sent to me to send some of my

deputies with the railroad officials. I understood they were going to

try to move the trains on Friday afternoon. I detached Major Boyce, and

told him to take as many of my deputies as were necessary, and go down

to Union depot. He started after a while, and came back, and it was

reported to me that they had decided not to move any trains that

afternoon. Consequently, he was not needed, he said. On Saturday--the

forenoon of Saturday--I was called on by James Richardson, a

constable--I do not know in what ward he is constable--I generally see

him here in the Second ward--he is an old constable for many years in

the city--he called on me and said that he had some warrants to arrest

some parties who were leaders of the riot, issued by Judge Ewing,

president judge of our court of common pleas No. 2, and that he wished

me to go with him and take what assistance I could, to assist him in

arresting some of the leaders of the mob. I immediately detailed ten of

my deputies to go out and try to raise a _posse_. They started out

and reported to me about one o'clock, and they had some eight or ten

men with them.

Q. On Saturday?

A. Yes; some of them appeared willing to go provided they were paid in

advance, and others were willing to go--that is, appeared willing to

go--under any consideration. We started and went down as far as Union

depot, and I think by the time I got there with this _posse_ my

deputies had got up; they had all forsaken me and escaped except about

six. We met Mr. Pitcairn there, and some of the other railroad

officers. They told me they wished me to assist Mr. Richardson in

arresting those parties, and that a division or a regiment, I do not

know which they called it, of soldiers from Philadelphia would protect

me. I went up with Mr. Richardson and Mr. Pitcairn, and another

gentleman whom I saw giving his testimony here the other day; I do not

know his name. We went up to Twenty-eighth street, and Mr. Pitcairn

told me when we got to Twenty-eighth street, that he could not see the

parties for whom the warrants were issued. I replied to him, that then

my duty in that respect was ended. If he could not point them out that

I could not arrest them; that I did not know them. I had seen the list

of names, and I did not know any of them. I passed through the crowd,

and they hooted and jeered at me for a mile, I suppose, but they

offered me no violence. I went clear through the crowd and came and

turned back through a portion of it. The military were bringing up a

Gatling gun and placing it in position. I came back to the side of the

Gatling gun. The military were formed into what I would call three

sides of a hollow square. Shortly after that, or previous to that I

might say, as we passed up, General Pearson was at my side, and a man

who appeared to be a kind of leader of the crowd was on our right. He

was very noisy and very boisterous, and God damning Pearson for

bringing out his double-headers, and General Pearson just pointed at

him and said, "That man will cause trouble after a little, I am

afraid." The man saw him pointing. In some little time he came me--he

forced himself through the lines of the military and came to me--and

said, what had I against him? I said I had nothing against him, so long

as he behaved himself. He asked what General Pearson had against him. I

said I did not know. I did not hear him say anything against him. He

said he was a friend of Pearson's, and had nothing against him, but

that he was God damned if he was going to be pointed out that way in

the crowd, that he had friends enough there to wipe us both out. I told

him to get out. He said he would not go. I put my hands on his

shoulders, and he was then thrown through to the crowd by one of the

officers, He there became very noisy.

The military came up through the crowd in front with arms apart, and

the crowd stood still, refusing to get back. The soldiers were then

ordered to charge bayonets. Then somebody cried out in the crowd to

hold their position. They came up at a charge bayonets; but a number of

their guns were seized by the mob, as you might call it, and at this

time, any number of stones were thrown. I saw one soldier get struck

with a piece of coal on the forehead, just peeling his forehead, and he

fell to his knees. About the same time there were three or four pistol

shots fired from the crowd into the ranks of the soldiers, and, as I

said before, any quantity of stones and clubs were thrown. Then the

firing commenced by the soldiers, and it ran along around two sides of

the square. It was a kind of running fire without an order to fire. It

put me in mind of a pack of shooting crackers, when you set one end on

fire one report would follow another. Some parties were killed and a

great many ran away. I waited some half hour or more there. The

soldiers then retired towards the round-house, and I returned to my

home.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. What time did this firing occur?

A. In the afternoon about I should judge between four and five o'clock.

I think it was near five o'clock.

Q. Did you remain home during the night?

A. I did not. I came down to my office, and remained there.

Q. Go on and relate your movements during the balance of the night, and

Sunday and Sunday night.

A. All that night, and Sunday and Sunday night, I remained in the

court-house here. I was useless and powerless, and they were hunting me

to murder me. On Monday morning, I went to my office door, and a

drunken creature was leaning there, with a revolver in his right hand,

hunting for the sheriff. I asked him what he wanted with him. He said,

I want to see him. I said you can take a good look at him now, and,

with that, I took him by the collar, and kicked him down the steps. I

have not seen him since. I might have stated, that on Thursday night,

(the first night I went out into the crowd,) there were shots fired

when General Pearson and I went out there first. I do not know whether

they were fired at any person in particular. I think that they were

intended to alarm more than anything else.

Q. When Mr. Scott came to your house, on Thursday night, to inform you

of the riotous proceedings, did he advise you to consult with your

counsel before going out?

A. No; he said it probably would be necessary, before I got through, to

see my counsel. I told him that I could not see him then, that he had

returned to his home, in the Nineteenth ward, Pittsburgh, and it would

be impossible for me to see him at that hour of the night. I told him I

would see him at an early hour in the morning.

Q. Did he tell you why it would be necessary?

A. No; I do not think he did, particularly--not to my recollection. He

said if I became satisfied, in my own mind, that I had not sufficient

force to remove the crowd, that it would be my duty to call on the

Governor for aid, and he wished me to be satisfied in my own mind.

Q. How many of your deputies did you take with you that night?

A. Only one--Mr. Haymaker.

Q. Did you call for any posse that night?

A. Not that night.

Q. You did not call for any posse before telegraphing to the Governor?

A. No; I did not. I will say this here, that although I was called on

that night, I was aware pretty generally what was going on in regard to

the strike previous to that. It could be heard on the street--parties

were saying--the strike before this had occurred in other parts of the

United States--and they would say it will be here--it will be here in a

day or two. I could hear the remarks passed. Not only that, but every

avenue of the city, for a week before, had been crowded. There was a

very considerable travel by strangers coming to the city. The city was

full of strangers at the time. There was no railroad or wagon road but

what you could find on it a class of people traveling that you had

never seen or heard of at all before, and they were coming into the

city. The city was full of them. This I have not heard any other person

remark but myself, but it is the fact of the case. On all the railroad

trains you could see men coming in, riding on the tenders, or on the

cow-catchers, or any way at all--on the steps, or any way.

Q. What days?

A. Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. I will give another little fact.

This morning a lady came to my office, asking me to solicit

transportation for her over the Pennsylvania railroad to Philadelphia.

She wished to get a pass. I asked her why, and she said that she had a

son living in Chester county who had come here and mixed himself in

with the riots, and had laid out and slept out until he had got a cold,

and that he now was dying with consumption, and she was poor, and

wished me to solicit the Pennsylvania railroad company to give her a

pass to go and see him before he died. She lives here, and her son is

married and lives in Chester county. She lives nearly across the street

from where I do. But I didn't know she had this son, though.

Q. As soon as you returned on Thursday night from Twenty-eighth street,

you telegraphed to the Governor?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Had you become satisfied, then, that it was necessary to call out

the troops?

A. Yes, sir; I had. The riot had assumed--although there had been no

actual outbreak, except the striking of Mr. Watt--had assumed such

proportions then, that it would have been folly for me to attempt in

this city to have got a posse to remove the crowd. I might, if I had

had time, have got the rural districts of this county to assist me--I

might have got a force there, but then it would have been a worse

slaughter than what it was. But in this city it would have been folly

for me to try it. I knew the feeling of the people.

Q. Did you make any effort on Friday forenoon to raise a posse?

A. I did not. I viewed it in this way. That, when I had called on the

State authorities, and the State authorities had responded, that that

relieved me of that responsibility of calling a posse. In fact, I

considered the idea of a sheriff of any county calling out a posse

almost as an obsolete piece of law to-day. The time was, when the

military were under the control of the sheriff, but it is not so now.

Q. Do you know what the law is in regard to calling out the militia to

suppress a riot?

A. I have read the acts of assembly.

Q. You knew what they were?

A. Yes.

Q. You knew what was necessary for you, as sheriff, to do before

calling the militia?

A. Well, any citizen can call on the Governor for aid--any responsible

party.

Q. But you knew what was necessary for you to do as sheriff?

A. I think I did. I might have been mistaken.

Q. You thought that you laid sufficient ground for calling on the

Governor, did you?

A. Yes; this riot had assumed such proportions at that time--it had

gone so far, and such a crowd was there, of all the rough elements of

society, that no posse, raised inside of three or four days--and then

it would have had to be collected from all parts of the county--could

have removed it.

Q. How large was the crowd that night?

A. Well, I cannot tell you that, because the cars not loaded with

freight, as I said before, were all occupied. Some had four or five in,

and some ten or twelve in. I cannot tell how many cars were full. At

Twenty-eighth street, I judge that a thousand persons were there at

that time, and all along, from Union depot to Twenty-eighth street,

they were scattered.

By Mr. Larrabee:

Q. Those cars you saw the men in, were they regular freight cars or

caboose cars?

A. I saw them in both. One thing other I wish to impress on the

committee, and that is this: I see that other evidence--by reading it

in the papers--places those warrants for the arrest of those parties on

Saturday, in my hands. It is not the case. They were in the hands of

James Richardson, the constable, and I was only acting as a guard to

assist him.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. Was he not appointed as one of your deputies?

A. No; I told him I would go myself, and give him some of my men to

assist him. I took thirteen of my regular deputies and myself to assist

him, and some other men not regularly connected with the office. The

names of some of them I cannot recollect.

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. Would it then have been possible to have arrested those men?

A. No, sir; not unless the military had done it. Probably, General

Brinton might have been able, but I do not know. There was about a mile

of a solid packed mob.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. On Saturday?

A. Yes; the day we had the warrants.

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. Friday?

A. On Friday there was a large crowd. It was continually increasing. It

increased from Thursday, and kept on increasing all the time, on Friday

and Saturday.

Q. Were they all taking a part?

A. No; a portion were lookers on, but the sympathy appeared to be all

with the strikers. But I must say, that I did not see many of those

strikers. After we had gone out to Torrens station, I asked Mr.

Pitcairn how many men he knew in those two crowds, at Twenty-eighth

street and Torrens station, as belonging to the road. After studying

awhile, he said: "Well, really, I think I only know four."

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. You say the sympathy of all those gathered around was with the

strikers?

A. It appeared to be.

Q. How extensive was that sympathy--to what extent was it carried among

the people?

A. It was very extensive. In fact, I do hardly know any person whose

sympathy was not with them. It went so far that on Saturday night,

after the firing, parties were coming to my house and telling my family

that they would be murdered or burned out before morning. My wife

became alarmed, and in the street where I lived she could not get

protection in any house. They would not let her in.

Q. Why?

A. Because they blamed me for being at the head of the soldiers, and

for causing the killing of innocent parties. That was the reason they

gave her--that they did not think they would be safe in letting her in.

Q. What street is that?

A. Washington street, Pittsburgh.

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. On Thursday or Friday was this crowd boisterous or destroying

things?

A. They were not destroying things. On Friday they were stopping all

the trains coming in--stopping trains, and then hooking on locomotives

and running the cattle cars, for instance, to Torrens station, and

letting the cattle out in the field. In fact, Mr. Pitcairn will

remember that we were ordered out of the locomotive that we were on, to

let them run cattle out.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Not on Thursday and Friday, but after the firing occurred, how was

the sympathy?

A. I think the sympathy was with the strikers from the first. I feel

satisfied it was. But I am only giving you my own opinion.

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. But you give that opinion, having formed it after intercourse with

the people, and after being in the crowd?

A. Yes; I talked with a great many of them, and they appeared to think

it was a hardship to reduce the wages and the numbers of the men, and

also, once in a while, they would bring in this freight discrimination

question.

Q. If you had had the warrants on Thursday night, could you have

arrested those parties?

A. If I had had a posse of two hundred or two hundred and fifty I

probably could have arrested them, but probably there would have been

somebody killed. I believe on Thursday morning if I had had the number

of police that Mayor McCarthy had, I could have arrested the leaders,

and put in prison the disorderly parties, and that then the trouble

would not have assumed the proportions it did. That is only my own idea

of it.

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. Could it have been done on Thursday?

A. As I said before, I was out of Pittsburgh part of Thursday. I was

called away on business.

Q. But from the time you became acquainted with the difficulty first?

A. On Thursday morning I saw the crowd gathering around, and I think

then if I had had a force and had been called on to anything with the

force that Mayor McCarthy had, I think I could have done some good, but

on Thursday night at one o'clock, I do not think it could have been

done.

Q. When those messages were brought in and read to the crowd as coming

from other parties, were there any messages sent out to them in reply?

A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. No responses were made to them?

A. There was considerable cheering.

Q. But were any answers sent?

A. No.

Q. Did those messages come in answer to messages that had been sent

out?

A. I cannot answer that. I have given you about the purport of the

messages. Probably if General Pearson shall be called he might

recollect the purport a little distincter than I have.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. Were those telegrams?

A. I think not. I didn't so understand it.

By Senator Reyburn:

Q. There appeared to be an organization?

A. It looked to me in that light very much.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. You stated one was from Wilkes-Barre?

A. Yes, and one from the Monongahela valley, and there was also one

from Mansfield--that the coal miners there would be in in the morning.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. Had you knowledge of any organization prior to this time?

A. Nothing that I could assert with any distinctness--nothing only

rumor--while I firmly believe there was. Now I will give you another

fact or instance to corroborate my theory: Some five weeks after the

riot I was in St. Paul, and the mayor of St. Paul had gathered up

thirteen tramps in a cave on the bank of the Mississippi river. I was

at the hearing, and each one had a traveling sack or satchel, and they

examined these satchels and there were goods like silk handkerchiefs,

and so forth, in them. The mayor asked them where they got them, and

they said, at Pittsburgh at the time of the riot, "How did you know

there was going to be a riot there." "Oh! we knew it, and we were

there." If you will telegraph to the mayor at St. Paul he will

substantiate the fact.

Q. In regard to the extent of this sympathy with the strikers that you

spoke of, I would like you to explain a little more upon that subject

as to the extent of it, and as to what classes of people sympathized

with the strikers?

A. The whole laboring class, so far as I know, were with the strikers

in their sympathy.

Q. The entire laboring class?

A. Yes; I think so. Do not understand me to say that they were in

sympathy with the riot. They were in sympathy with the men on account

of their wages being reduced.

By Mr. Yutzy:

Q. With the railroad strikers?

A. Yes.

By Mr. Lindsey:

Q. But they were not opposed to the railroad company?

A. I do not know that, but it was just this way that the railroad men

had their sympathy. Then there was another sympathy of the merchants to

a certain extent with these men. They believed they were not paid

right, and that the railroad company were not doing----

Q. Among what class of merchants?

A. Our better class.

Q. The entire classes?

A. No; but a portion of them.

By Senator Yutzy:

Q. Was it sympathy with the strikers, or only prejudice against the

railroad company?

A. I think they had sympathy and prejudice both.

Q. Do you think that any responsible portion of the people of

Pittsburgh, whether laboring men or others, sympathized with the

rioters after the difficulty had become a riot?

A. No; I think not. I would say here, that the responsible portion of

the people of Pittsburgh were not in sympathy with the riot, but I

would say, further, that it took a certain amount of riot to bring them

to their senses. Something has been said in regard to seeing my

solicitor. On Friday morning, I did see him at an early hour, and

stated to him all I had done, and what I had done, and he advised me

that I had done just exactly what he would have advised me to do. He

stayed with me nearly all day Friday and Saturday. Before going up to

Union depot in company with him, I walked down the street, looking for

a posse to go along, and among other places we dropped in, was Air.

Hampton's office. They two consulted, and both decided that I had acted

in the right way. I am only satisfying you in regard to that. Those

gentlemen, both, can be had at any time.

The following are the telegrams referred to in the foregoing testimony

of Sheriff Fife:

PITTSBURGH, _July 19, '77_.

To Hon. JOHN LATTA,

_Lieutenant Governor of Penn'a._:

I have forwarded the following dispatch to his Excellency Governor

Hartranft, at Harrisburg. Learning that he is absent from the

State, I forward it also to you for such action as you may deem

your duty and powers render proper.

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