M. S. Sukhotin was talking about Count Bludov. Tolstoi said:

“His was a very interesting house where authors and the most

interesting men of their time used to meet. I remember that I read

there for the first time my _Two Hussars_. Bludov was once intimate

with the Decembrists and sympathized in his soul with every progressive

movement. And he kept on serving under Nicolas I.”

Mikhail Sergeevich Sukhotin asked whether Bludov was a Russian, and why

was he a Count?

Tolstoi said:

“The Bludovs were a purely Russian family, to whom the title of Count

was granted. I remember, when I gathered the peasants to read to them

the Ukase of their liberation, at the bottom were the names of the

signatories and it finished with the words: Countersigned by Count

Bludov. An elderly peasant, Eremey, shook his head all the while and

said: ‘That Blud, he must be a brainy fellow!’ Evidently he took it to

mean that Bludov was at the head of the whole affair.”

The conversation was about medicine. Tolstoi said:

“Medicine cannot possibly be called an ‘experimental’ science, for in

medicine experiment in the strict sense is impossible. With experiments

in chemistry a repetition of the more or less same conditions is

possible, and so there can be approximately an exact conclusion as to

the results. But in medicine there is no exact experiment nor can there

be, for it is never possible to repeat the conditions that existed

previously; if only because the individuality of the patient changes,

and nearly, if not quite, everything changes in sympathy with that.”

Tolstoi related this episode from his childhood:

“We had a distant relation--an old woman Yakovlev. She lived in her own

house in the Staro-Konyushenna Street in Moscow. She was a great miser,

and, when she went to the country in the summer, she sent her children

ahead in the luggage van. Once, when I was quite a small child, old

Yakovlev came to pay us a visit. She sat with the grown-up people, and

my brother Nikolenka got a box, put dolls into it, and began dragging

it across the rooms. When he dragged it into the room where old

Yakovlev sat, she asked him: ‘Nicolas, what have you got there?’ and he

replied, ‘It is old Yakovlev going into the country, and her children

are being sent ahead in the luggage van.’” ...

During the two days (the 6th and 7th August) of my stay in Yasnaya,

Tolstoi wrote a perfectly new and very powerful story called _Father

and Daughter_,[5] which, he said, “will stay as it is for the time

being.” Tolstoi himself seems to be very well pleased with the story,

and he thinks he may not have to alter it.

Tolstoi recalled the folk-story of “Vanka Kliushnik,” who asked before

his execution to be allowed to sing a song; and Tolstoi was in raptures

over the beauty of it.

Tolstoi is much amused because he is riding a young horse and training

it. He is a great connoisseur of horses; he loves them and is a perfect

horseman. He trains his horse to various paces. He showed me and Ilya

Vasilevich how the horse started to gallop with the right leg. At the

beginning of the ride I asked Tolstoi how to train a horse to start

with this or that leg. Tolstoi explained to me how it was done, and

then observed:

“Once a horse leads off with a certain leg, it wants to start with the

same leg next time. In a man’s life, too, custom plays an enormous

part. Once a certain habit is formed, a man unconsciously tries to act

in accordance with it. It is very seldom that people act in accordance

with reason, and only very remarkable people do so; usually people

live and act by habit. How otherwise could it be possible that moral

truths, announced so long ago by the great thinkers and admitted by

most people, so rarely guide their actions? Very few people overcome

the habits of animal life and oppose them by the convictions of reason.”

When later we drove past a beautiful wood Tolstoi said:

“Once upon a time this forest belonged to Dolin-Ivansky. He was about

to sell it and I wanted to buy it, but for some reason I bargained,

although the price was reasonable. We did not settle the business. When

I came home and thought it over, I saw that the price was reasonable

and the forest good, and I sent the steward to say that I was ready to

buy it. But when the steward arrived, the forest was already sold. For

a long time afterwards I could not remember without annoyance that I

had let that forest slip through my hands.”

Then we drove by the forest called “Limonov Woods.” It is a young

forest planted by Tolstoi. He had not been there for a long time and

was surprised to see how everything had flourished and grown up.

Tolstoi said:

“Yes, it is a queer sense, that of ownership: here, too, one finds

the same habit. When one analyses it in one’s own mind, the feeling

disappears; but instinctively one always sees in oneself a particular

interest in what was or is one’s property, although one considers

ownership harmful and unnecessary.”

Speaking later of the present political events Tolstoi said:

“The same is true also with regard to patriotism: unconsciously one’s

sympathies are on the side of Russia and her fortunes, and one catches

oneself at it. But it is clear that with these internal and foreign

troubles one fine day all of a sudden Russia may fall to pieces. As

the saying goes: _sic transit gloria mundi_. Now it is an enormous and

powerful state, and suddenly everything may go to pieces!”

Tolstoi drew my attention to the fact that the road was beautifully lit

up by the rays of the sun coming through the branches of the trees. He

recalled that Turgenev in _Virgin Soil_ has described how Sipyagin met

Mariana and Nezhdanov lit up by such rays. He asked me if I remembered

the passage. I did not remember it and said:

“How do you remember it, Tolstoi?”

Tolstoi laughed and said:

“But you remember in your music, and so we writers remember things in

our art.”

Tolstoi said about _Virgin Soil_ that he did not share the general

indifference towards that novel and considered it very successful.

Among other things, he thought the new type of Sipyagin successful and

observed at the right time.

On this occasion Tolstoi said:

“But for the most part I object to the trick of guessing at modern

types and phenomena. The other day the painter K. was here. I told him

a great deal about his work which must be unpleasant to him. He is

always occupied with these modern themes. I said to him that one ought

never to paint what is talked about in the newspapers. Besides, he

simply can’t make a picture intelligible, clear. In his works you can’t

make out what he wants to represent. How inferior he is to Orlov[6] in

this respect!”

I. V. Denisenko read aloud the chapters about Nicolas from

_Hadji-Murat_.

Tolstoi sat in his room, but he wanted to come where we were all

sitting.

He came in several times and said:

“It is not interesting; let it be!”

At last he even said with irritation:

“It is rubbish!”

Then M. S. Sukhotin asked him:

“Why did you write it, then, Leo Nickolaevich?”

Tolstoi replied:

“But it is not finished yet. You came into my kitchen, and no wonder it

stinks with the smell of cooking.”

Tolstoi explained why he had made up his mind never to write to the

papers to deny what was said about him.

“When I stayed with Turgenev in Petersburg, Mefodii Katkov[7] arrived

from Moscow, and, on behalf of his brother, asked Turgenev and myself

to let him have something for his _Russkii Vestnik_. I promised

nothing, but Turgenev with his characteristic kindness said, rather

vaguely, that he might perhaps let him have something.

“Soon after this a group of writers in Petersburg, Nekrasov, Turgenev,

myself, Panaev, Druzhinin, Grigorovich, formed ourselves into a group

and decided to publish only in the _Sovremennik_. When Katkov heard

this, he accused Turgenev in print of breaking his promise. Then I

wrote a letter to Katkov, and asked him to publish it, in which I, as

a witness, refuted Katkov’s statement and proved that Turgenev had not

promised Katkov anything.

“At first Katkov did not publish the letter; afterwards he published

it, but in such a mutilated form that it quite changed its character.

After that I made a vow to myself that I would never make any reply to

attacks in the Press.”

The talk turned on our Government.

Tolstoi said:

“Do you know, Peter Alexeevich, I want to found a society whose members

would bind themselves not to abuse the Government.”

Sergeenko and others replied that, although it was true that people

made too much of that subject, still, when the Government prevented

people from living freely or breathing freely, it was difficult not to

criticize it.

To this Tolstoi said:

“It is only necessary to remember that the Government, however strong

and cruel it may be, can never prevent the real, spiritual life of man,

which alone is of importance. And why wonder that the Government is

cruel and wicked? So it must be. Mosquitoes bite, worms devour leaves,

pigs grout in manure--all this suits them and it is not worth while

to be indignant about it. I remember many years ago--my sons are now

tall, bearded men, but they were then children--I once came into the

dining-room downstairs in the Khamovniki house and saw that a ray

of the sun fell across the whole room through the windows and made

a bright spot on the sideboard which stood by the wall opposite the

window. The ventilator was not tight shut and was moved by the wind,

and as it moved the bright spot slid over the sideboard. I went in,

showed the children the bright spot, and cried out: ‘Catch it!’ They

all threw themselves on to the bright spot to catch it, but it raced,

and it was difficult to catch it. But if one of the children succeeded

in putting his hand on it, the bright spot showed on the top of his

hand. That is like the spiritual nature of man: however you hide it,

however much you try to suppress it or extinguish it, it will always

remain the same and unchanged.”

About writing Tolstoi said:

“If you ask some one: ‘Can you play the violin?’ and he says: ‘I don’t

know, I have not tried, perhaps I can,’ you laugh at him. Whereas

about writing, people always say: ‘I don’t know, I have not tried,’ as

though one had only to try and one would become a writer.”

Tolstoi said about Jews:

“There are three kinds of Jews. Some are believers, religious,

respecting their religion and strictly following its teaching. Others

are cosmopolitan, standing on the highest step of consciousness; and

finally a third kind, the middle kind, almost the biggest class, at

any rate of educated Jews, are even ashamed of being Jews or hide the

fact, and at the same time they are hostile to other races; but it is

as if they hid their hostility behind the skirts of their overcoats.

As my sympathies are with the first two classes, so the third is

unsympathetic to me.”

The conversation was about religion. Tolstoi said:

“Rousseau expressed a perfectly true idea that the Jewish religion

admitted one revelation--the past; the Christian religion two--the

past and present; and the Muhammadan three--the past, the present, and

the future. Historically it is undoubtedly a progressive movement.

Christianity is higher than Judaism, which is no longer alive. It is

all in the past; and Muhammadanism is higher than Christianity: it has

not the superstitions, the idolatry. To me personally Christianity, to

be sure, is above all religions, but I speak about Christianity, not as

the highest religious moral teaching, but as a historical fact. And as

there is ever much in common between the opposite poles, so there is

here; both Judaism and Muhammadanism keep strictly to monotheism, and

there is no intoxication in either; but in the historical Christianity

of the churches there is polytheism, as well as all kinds of ignorance

and cruelty. Everything is justified and even encouraged.”

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