Mr. STERN. Have you told us everything that elapsed--that occurred
between November 1 and November 5?
Mr. HOSTY. Yes. Then on the 5th of November, I was on my way to the
Fort Worth area, and stopped at Mrs. Paine's very briefly.
Mr. STERN. How did that happen to come about?
Mr. HOSTY. Well, I was on my way to Fort Worth, and I did not have his
residence. I thought I would stop by. Mrs. Paine told me she would
attempt to locate where he was living. It was not too much out of my
way, so I just drove over to Mrs. Paine's. I had another agent with me
that day.
Mr. STERN. Who was that?
Mr. HOSTY. Agent Gary S. Wilson. Agent Wilson was a brand new agent out
of training school. And it is the custom to assign a new agent to work
with an older agent for a period of 6 weeks. They work with different
agents every day to observe what they are doing. This is the only
reason he was with me, the only reason I had another man.
We went to the front porch. I rang the bell, talked to Mrs. Paine, at
which time she advised me that Lee Oswald had been out to visit her,
visit his wife, at her house over the weekend, but she had still not
determined where he was living in Dallas, and she also made the remark
that she considered him to be a very illogical person, that he had told
her that weekend that he was a Trotskyite Communist. Since she did not
have his address, I thanked her and left.
Mr. STERN. Did she indicate how she felt about this description of
Trotskyite Communist that he pinned on himself?
Mr. HOSTY. Well, she thought he was rather illogical, is the way she
put it. She was a little more amused than anything else. She thought he
was illogical, as I say, was the term she used.
Mr. STERN. Was Marina Oswald present at all?
Mr. HOSTY. I didn't see her. She was probably in the house, but I
didn't see her. I didn't go in the house. I just went in the front door.
Mr. STERN. How long do you think it was?
Mr. HOSTY. Not more than 1 or 2 minutes. Then I got in the car and left.
Mr. STERN. Where was your car parked at that time?
Mr. HOSTY. I believe in the same place, because here, again, this
second car of Michael Paine's was still in front of the Paine house,
and Mrs. Paine's station wagon was in the driveway. So I am fairly sure
I parked here at the same spot.
Mr. STERN. And you are indicating the spot on Exhibit 430 where you
initialed?
Mr. HOSTY. Right, where I parked on the first of November, to the best
of my recollection that is where I parked.
Representative FORD. Did Agent Wilson accompany you to the door?
Mr. HOSTY. Yes; he walked up.
Representative FORD. And heard the conversation?
Mr. HOSTY. Yes, sir; he did.
Mr. STERN. Did you report anything about this conversation to the New
Orleans office?
Mr. HOSTY. No; because there was nothing new to report. I knew I was to
become the office of origin. There would be a report which I would be
preparing and I would incorporate it in my report. There was nothing
new that they didn't already know that would aid them.
Mr. STERN. Is there anything else about this interview on November 5
that you can tell us?
Mr. HOSTY. No, sir; that is about all.
Representative FORD. Was this comment by Mrs. Paine that Oswald had
said he was a Trotskyite----
Mr. HOSTY. Trotskyite Communist was the word she used; yes, sir.
Representative FORD. Was that new as far as your knowledge of your file
was concerned?
Mr. HOSTY. Well, he was a self-admitted Marxist. He had stated that
earlier. The New Orleans office had reported that. He had been on
television and made that statement in New Orleans, so this appeared to
be in keeping with his character.
Representative FORD. The use of the word Trotskyite didn't add anything
to the previous Marxist identification?
Mr. HOSTY. Well, of course, that is a particular type of Marxism,
Trotskyite, the followers of Leon Trotsky's particular deviation, but
this did show that he was not a member of the Communist Party USA,
follower of the Leninist-Stalinist-Khrushchev movement, but would be an
independent Marxist would be what it would show me, not tied in with
the regular Communist Party USA.
Representative FORD. Is there anything particularly identifiable with
the Trotskyite element that might alert you to anything?
Mr. HOSTY. Well, yes. The Socialist Workers Party is the Trotskyite
Party in the United States, and they are supposedly the key element in
the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, or were the key element in the Fair
Play for Cuba Committee. So this would tie in with the fact that he
was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, and, therefore, he
claimed to be a Trotskyite--this would follow.
Mr. McCLOY. Do you associate with Trotskyite Communists any greater
disposition to acts of violence than the normal Communist?
Mr. HOSTY. No, sir; no more than the others.
Mr. McCLOY. No doctrine of policy by assassination?
Mr. HOSTY. No, sir.
Mr. STERN. Have you reviewed, Mr. Hosty, the document that has been
marked No. 830 for identification preliminary to your testimony today?
Mr. HOSTY. Oh, yes; this one you gave me earlier; yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES. I don't find a date on that. Maybe there is one there.
Mr. HOSTY. This is an insert, sir. The date of the various information
will appear at the head of each paragraph.