Mr. STERN. Not necessarily----

Mr. McCLOY. Do you have a citation of that law?

Mr. BOUCK. It is in some exhibit, I am sure.

Mr. McCLOY. I think it is well to put it in the record if we have it.

Mr. DULLES. Yes; I think it would be very good.

Mr. CARSWELL. Can we supply it?

Mr. DULLES. Why don't you supply it?

(It was later supplied as 18 U.S.C., Section 871.)

Mr. BOUCK. If the investigation indicates that the individual is

mentally unbalanced, which a high percentage are, then attempt will be

made to persuade local authorities to get hospitalization, confinement

in an institution.

If neither of those are possible, attempts will be made to get local

officers and family, if they will cooperate, to help us keep track

of him, and we will institute checkups from time to time when we are

investigating. Those are basically the control measures that we are

able to use. In some cases we may conduct surveillance, by the way, if

we can't do any of those, and we regard the man as very dangerous.

Mr. STERN. I show you a 1-page pink card marked for identification

Commission Exhibit No. 765. Can you tell us what that is?

Mr. BOUCK. Yes; this is a card which we have prepared when an

individual that we have rated as dangerous is placed in an institution,

either a mental institution or a penal institution. We supply that card

to the superintendent of the institution. We ask him to put it in the

front of the individual's case jacket, and it is all filled in so that

the return address and all are on it. The frank portion of it on the

bottom is a frank portion, all he has to do is to indicate whether the

individual has escaped, transferred or been released and drop it in the

mail to advise us on action they may take on letting him out or if he

has escaped.

Mr. STERN. That is the control you exercise over persons who are

institutionalized in prison or some sort of hospital?

Mr. BOUCK. Yes.

Mr. STERN. When an individual is determined after investigation to

present some level of danger but not sufficient to warrant prosecution

or not to be a mentally disturbed person warranting commitment, how do

you control that individual, keep track of him?

Mr. BOUCK. If we think he is in fact dangerous, he would be in our

checkup file which is really a control device by which at least

every 6 months we reinvestigate and in between times we try to have

arrangements with the family and local officers to let us know if he

leaves town or buys a gun or anything.

The other device is a geographical card file in which we would put a

card to let us know about this individual in case the President went to

that geographical area so that the office might take a further look and

see if he was a menace.

Mr. STERN. At the time of Dallas, do you know approximately how many

persons were in institutions under this system where you would be

notified if they left or escaped?

Mr. BOUCK. I am sorry, I don't have that.

Mr. STERN. The order of magnitude, any estimate?

Mr. BOUCK. It would be some thousands but I wouldn't really have a

close idea. I could get that and supply it. I just would have to guess

and it would be a very bad guess.

Mr. STERN. Fine. But you can determine this for us?

Mr. BOUCK. Yes.

Mr. STERN. Good. How many at the time of Dallas would be in your

checkup control file system with this periodic review?

Mr. BOUCK. About 400.

Mr. STERN. 400 individuals?

Mr. BOUCK. That is nationwide.

Mr. STERN. Again, at the time of Dallas, how many individuals would

have been listed in the trip-index file which you have described?

Mr. BOUCK. About a hundred.

Mr. STERN. One hundred in the Nation?

Mr. BOUCK. Yes.

Mr. STERN. What are the criteria for putting someone's name in the

trip-index file?

Mr. BOUCK. The belief on the part of the local field office, with

confirmation from the Protective Research Section that this individual

would indeed constitute a risk to the President's safety, if he went to

that area.

Mr. STERN. This is done, this is organized, on a geographic basis?

Mr. BOUCK. Yes.

Mr. STERN. By Secret Service field offices?

Mr. BOUCK. Yes.

Mr. STERN. Is there any other control device that you employed at the

time of Dallas?

Mr. BOUCK. We had at the time a very small device that we call an

album which has a few, perhaps 12 or 15 people that we consider very

dangerous or at least dangerous and so mobile that we can't be sure

where they might be. This is a constant thing. Copies of these are kept

before the protective personnel at the White House all the time. This

resides in their office.

Senator COOPER. On that point, if this last category represents a group

that is so highly dangerous, have any individuals in that group reached

the place where they have made such statements as would bring them

under the Federal act which would require prosecution?

Mr. BOUCK. No, sir; if they were prosecutable we would seek that

solution immediately, and many of them have been taken to the district

attorney and it has just been determined they do not quite meet the

requirements for prosecution.

Some have been prosecuted, and have served sentences and are out at the

end of sentences but still thought to be dangerous.

Senator COOPER. Yes.

Mr. BOUCK. Some have been in mental institutions and discharged, and

there isn't ground to put them back but we are still afraid of them.

Mr. STERN. Are the individuals who are listed in the trip-index file,

which numbered at the time of Dallas about 100, also listed in the

checkup control files?

Mr. BOUCK. Yes. Yes; they would, primarily that 100 would to a large

degree be in both places.

Mr. STERN. Then it is a fair summary, Mr. Bouck, that at the time of

Dallas the number of individuals that you were concerned with were

some thousands, the number you will supply, who were institutionalized

either in prison or in mental hospitals, and with such institutions

you had an arrangement that would promptly notify you of the discharge

or escape of that individual, some 400 on a systematic review,

approximately every 6 months by your field offices, of which 400, 100

were separately identified as particularly dangerous in the trip-index

file, and some 12 to 15 whose photographs were in the album?

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