Mr. EISENBERG. You would not care, you say, though----

Mr. LATONA. No.

Mr. EISENBERG. To employ that here, but your experiments produced a

maximum time of 24 hours.

Mr. LATONA. Bear that out; yes. Like I say, undoubtedly this print was

left on there--between the time that the print was left and the time

that it was powdered could not have been too long a time. Otherwise,

the print would not have developed with the clarity that it did.

Mr. EISENBERG. You identified that, I believe, as the right palmprint

of Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. LATONA. That is right.

Mr. EISENBERG. What portion of the right palm was that, Mr. Latona?

Mr. LATONA. It happens to be the center part of the palm close to the

wrist.

Mr. EISENBERG. Can you show how the palm must have lain on the 649, the

part of the 648 carton, to produce that print?

Mr. LATONA. It would have been placed on there in this fashion.

Mr. EISENBERG. Now, you are pointing so that your hand is parallel with

the long axis of the box, and at right angles to the short axis?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. And just the bottom of the palm rests on the box, isn't

that correct?

Mr. LATONA. That is right.

Mr. EISENBERG. Now, before going to this fingerprint or this palmprint

rather, Mr. Latona, we have palmprints, a palmprint here on this 649,

and a finger and a palm on 641, and those are the only identified

prints on these two objects.

Is it possible that Lee Harvey Oswald could have touched these two

cartons at other places without leaving identifiable prints?

Mr. LATONA. He could have.

Mr. EISENBERG. And how would that come about?

Mr. LATONA. Simply by the fact that he did not have any material on his

finger at the time he touched the box.

Mr. EISENBERG. So that you can touch a carton at one point and leave a

print, and at another point not, is that right?

Mr. LATONA. Very definitely, that is true.

Mr. EISENBERG. And when you say he doesn't have any material, how would

that come about? Will he have used his material up, or not produced

material with the particular finger?

Mr. LATONA. He could have used it up and failed to produce it fast

enough to have left anything at the time he touched that.

Mr. EISENBERG. Is it uncommon or common for you to find an object which

a person has touched more than once but only left one identifiable

print?

Mr. LATONA. It is very common.

Mr. EISENBERG. It is common?

Mr. LATONA. Especially in, for example, the reading of a letter, a long

letter where the person would run his finger and index finger down the

edges. You might find prints at the top and then you don't find any at

the bottom.

Mr. EISENBERG. Of course. I am not asking you to draw an inference

whether or not Oswald touched the box in more than one place, but I

just want to explore whether he could have touched the box in more than

one place----

Mr. LATONA. Yes; he could.

Mr. EISENBERG. And not left a second imprint?

Mr. LATONA. He very definitely could have and not left one.

Mr. DULLES. May I add for the record, Commission Exhibit 648 apparently

contained books of Scott Foresman and Co., from Scott, Foresman & Co.,

"Building for Today, Pioneering for Tomorrow."

Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Latona, did you take a photograph of the lift, or

the print rather, which we see in 649?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. And this is an accurate photograph?

Mr. LATONA. It is, it is a true reproduction of the print which appears

on Commission Exhibit 649 and it is enlarged about a time and a half.

Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Chairman, may I have this admitted as 650?

Mr. DULLES. It will be admitted.

(The photograph referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 650, for

identification and received in evidence.)

Mr. EISENBERG. Did you take a photograph of the known palmprint and

make a red circle around it, as you had in previous cases?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. To show what portion of the palm of Oswald that was?

Mr. LATONA. Showing a portion of the right palm.

Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Chairman, may I have that admitted?

Mr. DULLES. It will be admitted as 651.

(The photograph referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 651, and

received in evidence.)

Mr. EISENBERG. By the way, Mr. Latona, on 649 there seems to be a

scotch tape or cellophane tape over the fingerprint, is that right?

Mr. LATONA. That is right.

Mr. EISENBERG. Now, apparently there was no attempt at a lift being

made here?

Mr. LATONA. No. This evidently was a print which was developed directly

on the paper itself. The employing of that adhesive material like

scotch tape was to protect the print itself.

Had they tried to lift that up I am afraid they would have spoiled that

because they would have lifted the fibers of the cardboard along with

it.

Mr. EISENBERG. Is that why, you think, they didn't lift it?

Mr. LATONA. Yes; very definitely.

Mr. EISENBERG. By the way, did the Dallas police take photographs of

the lift which we had earlier, the lift which was apparently taken from

Exhibit 139, or to put the question--actually I am not interested in

whether they took photographs of the lift; do you know whether they

took photographs of the print?

Mr. LATONA. I don't know.

Mr. EISENBERG. Is it normal to take a photograph of a print before it is

lifted?

Mr. LATONA. If it is fairly visible, yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. What is the purpose of the lift, as opposed to a

photograph reproducing the print?

Mr. LATONA. The purpose of the lift is simply to insure the probability

of getting a good record of the print, because a lot of times when you

photograph a print, you have to go through the process of having it

developed and then printed and at the same time by lifting it you may,

that would be an additional security that you are getting the best

results.

Then you take your choice as to which result turns out the best.

Mr. EISENBERG. So these are alternative routes?

Mr. LATONA. That is right.

Mr. EISENBERG. Lifting and photographing?

Mr. LATONA. That is right. Well, primarily our recommendation in the

FBI is simply every procedure to photograph and then lift. Then you

choose the one which you feel gives you the best results in your final

photograph.

Mr. EISENBERG. Returning to the palmprint on 649, taken from the carton

648, did you make up a chart showing some of the points----

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Which led you to your conclusion that that print was the

print of Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. LATONA. Yes, I did.

Mr. EISENBERG. And was that prepared by you or under your supervision?

Mr. LATONA. Prepared by me--under my supervision.

Mr. EISENBERG. May I have this chart admitted as 652?

Mr. DULLES. It will be admitted as Exhibit 652.

(The chart referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 652, for

identification and received in evidence.)

Mr. EISENBERG. Again, without going into detail, Mr. Latona, could

you show us some of the more salient points which led you to your

conclusion that the print on 649 was the palmprint of Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. LATONA. The easiest points visible here, right offhand, point

No. 11 which is a black line that goes upward and its relationship

to point No. 10. This is known as the short ending ridge as is seen

here. Its relation to point No. 8. Point No. 11 is a black line going

upward. Point No. 8 is a black line going downward and there are one,

two, three, ridges which are between the two. Over here in the latent

print you find No. 11 which is a black line going upward. It is a short

line to the other end of the point No. 10, and three ridges intervene

between that and point No. 8, which is going downward.

One ridge to the right and going in an upward direction is point No.

7--7, 8, 9, 10, 11.

Mr. DULLES. And you identified 11 points of similarity?

Mr. LATONA. That is right.

Mr. DULLES. Between the inked palmprint of Lee Harvey Oswald and this

palmprint taken from this cardboard carton?

Mr. LATONA. That is right.

Mr. DULLES. What is this white line that goes up through each?

Mr. LATONA. This is a crease in the center of the palm, a flexure

crease of that area.

Mr. DULLES. The palm did not touch the carton at that point?

Mr. LATONA. That is right.

Mr. DULLES. And those two creases are in approximately the same

location in the photograph and in the latent palmprint?

Mr. LATONA. Very definitely.

Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Latona, I now hand you two further cartons, which

are labeled Box B and Box C, the B box being a 10 Rolling Reader, and

the C box being also a Scott, Foresman box with printing on the back,

"The Three Pre-primers," apparently the name of the book contained in

this box.

Mr. DULLES. Primers.

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Latona, did you examine Box B, which I have handed

to you, to determine whether it had on it any identifiable latent

fingerprints?

Mr. LATONA. Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Chairman, I would like that box admitted as 653.

Mr. DULLES. It shall be admitted.

(Commission Exhibit No. 653 was marked and received in evidence.)

Mr. EISENBERG. How many identifiable prints did you find on this carton?

Mr. LATONA. There were seven fingerprints and two palmprints developed

on Commission Exhibit 653.

Mr. EISENBERG. That is, identifiable prints?

Mr. LATONA. Identifiable prints.

Mr. EISENBERG. Did you identify any of those prints as belonging to a

specific person?

Mr. LATONA. I did not.

Mr. EISENBERG. May I have 654 marked, Box C, Mr. Chairman? Did you also

examine Box C?

Mr. LATONA. Box C, yes, sir.

Mr. EISENBERG. May I have that admitted as 654?

Mr. DULLES. It shall be admitted as Commission Exhibit 654.

(Commission Exhibit No. 654 was marked and received in evidence.)

Mr. EISENBERG. Did you find any latent identifiable prints on 654?

Mr. LATONA. I found two fingerprints and one palmprint.

Mr. EISENBERG. Did you identify them as belonging to a specific

individual?

Mr. LATONA. I did not identify them.

Mr. EISENBERG. Now, did you attempt to identify them with Lee Harvey

Oswald's known prints?

Mr. LATONA. Yes; and they are not Lee Harvey Oswald's prints.

Mr. EISENBERG. When did you receive cartons 653 and 654?

Mr. LATONA. I received cartons 653 and 654 November 27.

Mr. EISENBERG. That is, with the earlier cartons, Boxes A and D, which

have received Commission exhibit numbers?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Had they been processed? Could you tell whether they had

been processed for latent fingerprints?

Mr. LATONA. I couldn't tell whether they had been or not.

Mr. EISENBERG. You could not tell?

Mr. LATONA. Could not tell. They had the appearance of not having been

processed.

Mr. EISENBERG. How did you process them in your laboratory, Mr. Latona?

Mr. LATONA. Iodine fumes and chemicals.

Mr. EISENBERG. Did the prints react to the iodine fumes at all?

Mr. LATONA. No.

Mr. EISENBERG. Just to the chemicals?

Mr. LATONA. The silver nitrate prints which were developed.

Mr. DULLES. Do you mean that the prints were of such a caliber and

character that you couldn't make anything out of them, or that you

couldn't identify them with any known----

Mr. LATONA. They are not identical with those that they have been

compared with.

Mr. DULLES. But the prints themselves were perfectly good prints?

Mr. LATONA. Oh, yes; the prints are good but they are not Lee Harvey

Oswald's.

Mr. EISENBERG. At any subsequent time have you attempted to identify

any of these prints on the boxes as belonging to any person other than

Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. And how did you proceed with this attempt?

Mr. LATONA. An effort was made to locate the fingerprints of all people

employed in that building in which these cartons were found, on the

basis of the names and birth dates which were furnished, and we located

the fingerprints of 16 of those people who work in that building.

Mr. EISENBERG. Yes?

Mr. LATONA. And the fingerprints of those 16 employees were compared

with all of the latent prints which were developed on these boxes. They

do not belong to any of those 16 people.

Mr. DULLES. May I ask for my information here, Mr. Eisenberg, were all

of these cartons, including the last two admitted in evidence, were

they found in the general area of the sixth floor of the building from

which it is believed the shot was fired?

Mr. EISENBERG. Yes; Mr. Chairman. I believe that the two boxes which

were just admitted into evidence as 653 and 654 were two of the three

boxes which were apparently used as a rest by the assassin. They were

apparently either the two bottom boxes, or there might have been an

arrangement such as that one was stacked on top of the other, and the

box earlier admitted into evidence was some evidence of that.

Mr. DULLES. And in any event, does our evidence indicate that these

boxes were moved from their normal position on the sixth floor to a new

position near the window?

Mr. EISENBERG. Again I believe it does indicate that at least the 10

Rolling Reader carton was moved. There was some other movement of boxes

that morning, and I think they are still in the process of tracing down

all of the movements.

Mr. DULLES. Thank you.

Mr. EISENBERG. I have a letter, Mr. Latona, from Mr. Hoover to Mr.

Rankin, the general counsel of our Commission, setting forth the names

of the employees of the TSBD whose prints were compared in this recent

attempt you mentioned. Would you recognize the names?

Mr. LATONA. Yes; I would because I believe that report is based on my

report.

Mr. EISENBERG. If I read the name could you verify whether these

individuals were the ones whose prints you checked out against the

latents?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Haddon Spurgeon Aiken?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Jack Charles Cason?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Warren Cason?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Jack Edwin Doughterty?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Charles Douglas Givens?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Mary Madeline Hollis?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. James Earl Jarman?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Spaulden Earnest Jones?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Herbert L. Junker?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Billy Nolan Lovelady?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Joe R. Molina?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Edward Shields?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Joyce Maurine Stansberg?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Roy Sansom Truly?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Lloyd R. Viles?

Mr. LATONA. Yes.

Mr. EISENBERG. Troy Eugene West?

Mr. LATONA. Correct.

Mr. EISENBERG. Now as I understand it, these employees were not

selected because any particular suspicion fell on them, but merely

because of all the employees, those were the ones whose cards you knew

you had in your files?

Mr. LATONA. That is right.

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