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SEN. LARCH: Before getting down to the business on hand, Colonel

Greaves, I would like to congratulate you on behalf of my colleagues

and myself on your participation in last week's successful orbital

flight of the _Camaraderie 17_. Yours and Commander Perkins'

achievement stands out as a glowing landmark on the perilous path which

this country is blazing into space. Also, I would like to point out

to you that the governing principle behind this committee since its

inception one year and three months ago has not been to bury astronauts

but to praise them, and that the present investigation is not intended

to cast umbrage upon your integrity but to clarify certain aspects

of your experience that both we and the public-at-large have found

confusing. Now, to proceed: You and Commander Perkins lifted out of New

Canaveral in the supercapsule _Camaraderie 17_ at 0659 hours on the

tenth of June, 1969, and began a three-orbit flight the apogee of which

was approximately 1,400 miles, the perigee of which was approximately

1,290 miles, and the purpose of which was to test your reactions to

deep space--that is, space beyond the perimeter of the orbital flights

thus far undertaken--preparatory to the launching of the first manned

moon-vehicle. Is that correct, Colonel Greaves?

LT. COL. GREAVES: That is correct.

SEN. LARCH: Exactly when and where during this three-orbit flight did

you and Commander Perkins first sight the ghost ship, colonel?

SEN. HEWLETT: May I interpose a word at this point, Senator Larch?

SEN. LARCH: Please do so, Senator Hewlett.

SEN. HEWLETT: Thank you. It is my opinion, senator, that in referring

to the ship boarded by Colonel Greaves as a 'ghost ship' we are lending

too large an ear to the somewhat sensational nomenclature with which

the press has discolored the incident, and are peradventure implying

official sanction to irresponsible reporting. Therefore, I recommend

that in the future, or until such time as evidence justifies a more

specific appellation, we allude to the object in question by the

designation first accorded it by the officials at New Canaveral:

'Spaceship X'.

SEN. LARCH: Very well, senator. I will repeat the question: Exactly

when and where during this three-orbit flight, Colonel Greaves, did you

and Commander Perkins first sight Spaceship X?

LT. COL. GREAVES: On the first pass, just after we reported in to

central control via the Australian relay station. In accordance with

instructions, Perk--Commander Perkins, that is--had taken the capsule

off automatic attitude control and begun an experimental series of

rolls, pitches, and yaws on manual control. We had no idea of the--of

Spaceship X's presence till it appeared suddenly upon the periscope

screen. Instantly Perk stabilized the capsule in its present attitude

and began making the minute attitudinal adjustments necessary to keep

the image on the screen.

SEN. LARCH: What was the position of the ship with relation to the

_Camaraderie 17_?

LT. COL. GREAVES: It was about half a mile 'above' and behind us, and

slightly to the north of our trajectory. We saw at once that it was

gradually overtaking us and that we were gradually rising to meet it.

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