CONVERSATIONS.

_Paris, Hotel Bedford, April_ 9, 1857.--We reached this place last night.

The Tocquevilles are in our hotel. I went to them in the evening.

Tocqueville asked me how long I intended to remain.

'Four weeks,' I answered.

'I do not think,' he replied, 'that you will be able to do so. Paris has

become so dull that no one will voluntarily spend a month here. The

change which five years have produced is marvellous.

'We have lost our interest not only in public affairs, but in all serious

matters.'

'You will return then to the social habits of Louis Quinze,' I said. 'You

were as despotically governed then as you are now; and yet the _salons_

of Madame Geoffrin were amusing.'

'We may do so in time,' he answered, 'but that time is to come. At

present we talk of nothing but the Bourse. The conversation of our

_salons_ resembles more that of the time of Law, than that of the time of

Marmontel.'

I spent the evening at Lamartine's. There were few people there, and the

conversation was certainly dull enough to justify Tocqueville's fears.

_April_ 10.--Tocqueville drank tea with us.

We talked of the Empress, and of the possibility of her being Regent of

France.

'That supposes,' I said, 'first, that _Celui-ci_ holds his power until

his death; and, secondly, that his son will succeed him.'

'I expect both events,' answered Tocqueville. 'It is impossible to deny

that Louis Napoleon has shown great dexterity and tact. His system of

government is detestable if we suppose the welfare of France to be his

object; but skilful if its aim be merely the preservation of his own

power.

'Such being his purpose, he has committed no great faults. Wonderful,

almost incredible, as his elevation is, it has not intoxicated him.'

'It has not intoxicated him,' I answered, 'because he was prepared for

it--he always expected it.'

'He could scarcely,' replied Tocqueville, 'have really and soberly

expected it until 1848.

'Boulogne and Strasbourg were the struggles of a desperate man, who

staked merely a life of poverty, obscurity, and exile. Even if either of

them had succeeded, the success could not have been permanent. A

surprise, if it had thrown him upon the throne, could not have kept him

there. Even after 1848, though the Bourbons were discredited, we should

not have tolerated a Bonaparte if we had not lost all our self-possession

in our terror of the Rouges. That terror created him, that terror

supports him; and habit, and the dread of the bloodshed and distress, and

the unknown chances of a revolution, will, I think, maintain him during

his life.

'The same feelings will give the succession to his heir. Whether the heir

will keep it, is a different question.'

_Sunday, April_ 12.--Tocqueville drank tea with us. I asked him if he had

seen the Due de Nemours' letter.

'I have not seen it,' he answered. 'In fact, I have not wished to see it.

I disapprove of the Fusionists, and the anti-Fusionists, and the

Legitimists, and the Orleanists-in short, of all the parties who are

forming plans of action in events which may not happen, or may not

happen in my time, or may be accompanied by circumstances rendering those

plans absurd, or mischievous, or impracticable,'

'But though you have not read the letter,' I said, 'you know generally

what are its contents.'

'Of course I do,' he replied. 'And I cannot blame the Comte de Chambord

for doing what I do myself--for refusing to bind himself in

contingencies, and to disgust his friends in the hope of conciliating his

enemies.'

'Do you believe,' I asked, 'that the mere promise of a Constitution would

offend the Legitimists?'

'I do not think,' he answered, 'that they would object to a Constitution

giving them what they would consider their fair share of power and

influence.

'Under Louis Philippe they had neither, but it was in a great measure

their own fault.

'They have neither under this Government, for its principle is to rest on

the army and on the people, and to ignore the existence of the educated

classes.

'You see _that_ in its management of the press. 'Montalembert, or Guizot,

or Falloux, or I may publish what we like. We are not read by the soldier

or by the _proletaire_.[1] But the newspaper press is subject to a

slavery to which it was never reduced before. The system was first

elaborated in Austria, and I daresay will be copied by all the

Continental autocrats, for no inventions travel so quickly as despotic

ones.

'The public _avertissements_ are comparatively unimportant. Before a

journal gets one of those its suppression has probably been decided on.

Every day there are communications between the literary police and the

different editors. Such or such a line of argument is altogether

forbidden, another is allowed to be used to a certain extent. Some

subjects are tabooed, others are to be treated partially.

'As the mental food of the lower orders is supplied by the newspapers,

this paternal Government takes care that it shall not be too exciting.'

[Footnote 1: The lowest class.--ED.]

_Paris, Monday, April_ 13.--Tocqueville, Jobez, Marcet, St.-Hilaire,[1]

Charles Sumner, and Lord Granville breakfasted with us.

The conversation turned on public speaking.

'Very few indeed of our speakers,' said Tocqueville, 'have ever ventured

to improvise: Barrot could do it. We have told him sometimes that a

speech must be answered immediately; and when he objected that he had

nothing to say, we used to insist, and to assure him that as soon as he

was in the tribune, the ideas and the words would come; and so they did.

I have known him go on under such circumstances for an hour; of course

neither the matter nor the form could be first rate, but they were

sufficient.'

'In fact,' said Lord Granville, 'much of what is called improvisation is

mere recollection. A man who has to speak night after night, gets on most

subjects a set of thoughts, and even of expressions, which naturally pour

in on him as soon as his argument touches the train which leads to them.

'One of our eminent speakers,' he continued, 'Lord Grey, is perhaps best

when he has not had time to prepare himself. He is so full of knowledge

and of inferences, that he has always enough ready to make an excellent

speech. When he prepares himself, there is _too_ much; he gives the House

more facts and more deductions than it can digest.'

'Do you agree with me,' I asked, 'in thinking that Lord Melbourne was

best when he improvised?'

'I agree with you,' answered Lord Granville, 'that his set speeches were

cold and affected. He was natural only when he was quite careless, or

when he was much excited, and then he was admirable.'

'Did not Thiers improvise?' I asked.

'Never,' answered Tocqueville. 'He prepared himself most carefully. So

did Guizot. We see from the "Revue rétrospective" that he even prepared

his replies. His long experience enabled him to foresee what he should

have to answer. Pasquier used to bring his speech ready written. It lay

on the desk before him, but he never looked at it.'

'That seems to me,' I said, 'very difficult. It is like swimming with

corks. One would be always tempted to look down on the paper.'

'It is almost equally difficult,' said Tocqueville, 'to make a speech of

which the words are prepared. There is a struggle between the invention

and the memory. You trust thoroughly to neither, and therefore are not

served thoroughly by either.'

'Yet that,' said Marcet, 'is what our Swiss pastors are required to do.

They are forbidden to read, and forbidden to extemporise, and by practice

they speak from memory--some well, all tolerably.'

'Brougham,' said Lord Granville, 'used to introduce his most elaborately

prepared passages by a slight hesitation. When he seemed to pause in

search of thoughts, or of words, we knew that he had a sentence ready cut

and dried.'

'Who,' I asked Sumner, 'are your best speakers in America?'

'The best,' he said, 'is Seward; after him perhaps comes Winthrop.'

'I should have thought it difficult,' I said, 'to speak well in the

Senate, to only fifty or at most sixty members.'

'You do not speak,' answered Sumner, 'to the Senators. You do not think

of them. You know that their minds are made up. Except as to mere

executive questions, such as the approval of a public functionary, or the

acceptance or modification of a treaty, every senator comes in pledged to

a given, or to an assumed, set of opinions and measures. You speak to the

public. You speak in order that 500,000 copies of what you say, as was

the case with my last speech, may be scattered over the whole Union.'

'That,' I said, 'must much affect the character of your oratory. A speech

meant to be read must be a different thing from one meant to be heard.

Your speeches must in fact be pamphlets, and that I suppose accounts for

their length.'

'That is true,' replied Sumner. 'But when you hear that we speak for a

day, or for two days, or, as I have sometimes done, for three days, you

must remember that our days are days of only three hours each.'

'How long,' I asked, 'was your last speech?'

'About five hours,' he answered. 'Three hours the first day and two hours

the second.'

'That,' I said, 'is not beyond our remotest limit. Brougham indeed, on

the amendment of the law, spoke for six hours, during the greater part of

the time to an audience of three. The House was filled with fog, and

there is an H.B. which represents him gesticulating in the obscurity and

the solitude.'

'He,' said Lord Granville, 'put his speech on the Reform Bill at the

top.'

'The speech,' I said, 'at the end of which he knelt to implore the Peers

to pass the bill, and found it difficult to rise.'

[Footnote 1: Barthélemy de St-Hilaire is now Thiers' private secretary

and right hand.--ED.]

_Tuesday, April_ 14.--Z., Sumner, Lord Granville, Tocqueville, M.

Circourt, St.-Hilaire, and Corcelle breakfasted with us.

The conversation took the same turn as yesterday.

'May I venture,' said Lord Granville to Z., 'to ask whom of your

opponents you feared the most?'

'Beyond all comparison,' answered Z., 'Thiers.'

'Was not D.' I asked, 'very formidable?'

'Certainly,' said Z. 'But he had not the wit, or the _entraînement_ of

Thiers. His sentences were like his action. He had only one gesture,

raising and sinking his right arm, and every time that right arm fell, it

accompanied a sentence adding a link to a chain of argument, massive and

well tempered, without a particle of dross, which coiled round his

adversary like a boa constrictor.'

'And yet,' said M., 'he was always languid and embarrassed at starting;

it took him ten minutes to get _en train_.'

'That defect,' said Lord Granville, 'belonged to many of our good

speakers--to Charles Fox--to Lord Holland. Indeed Fox required the

excitement of serious business to become fluent. He never made a

tolerable after-dinner speech.'

'Among the peculiarities of D.,' said M., 'are his perfect tact and

discretion in the tribune, and his awkwardness in ordinary life. In

public and in private he is two different men.'

'It is impossible,' said Tocqueville, 'to deny that D. was great in a

deliberative body, but his real scene of action is the bar. He was only

_among_ the best speakers in the Constituent Assembly. He is _the_

greatest advocate at the bar.'

'Although,' said M----, 'at the bar, where he represents only his client,

one of the elements of his parliamentary success, his high moral

character, does not assist him. Do you remember how, on the debate of

the Roman expedition, he annihilated by one sentence Jules Favre who had

ventured to assail him? "Les injures," he said, "sont comme les corps

pesants, dont la force dépend de la hauteur d'où ils tombent."'

'One man,' said Z., 'who enjoys a great European reputation, I could

never think of as a serious adversary, that is Lamartine.

'He appeared to me to treat the sad realities of political life as

materials out of which he could compose strange and picturesque scenes,

or draw food for his imagination and his vanity. He seemed always to be

saying to himself: "How will the future dramatist or poet, or painter,

represent this event, and what will be my part in the picture, or in the

poem, or on the stage?"

'_Il cherchait toujours à poser_.--He could give pleasure, he could give

pain--he could amuse, and he could irritate,--but he seldom could

persuade, and he never could convince. Even before the gate of the Hôtel

de Ville, the most brilliant hour of his life, he owed his success rather

to his tall figure, his fine features, attractive as well as commanding,

his voice, his action--in short, to the assemblage of qualities which the

Greeks called [Greek: hupokrisis] than to his eloquence.'

'Was not,' I said, 'his contrast between the red flag and the tricolor

eloquent?'

'It was a fine bit of imagery,' said Z., 'and admirably adapted to the

occasion. I do not deny to him the power of saying fine things--perhaps

fine speeches, but he never made a _good_ speech--a speech which it was

difficult to answer.'

'If anyone,' he continued, 'ever takes the trouble to look into our

Parliamentary debates, Lamartine will hold a higher comparative rank than

he is really entitled to. Most of us were too busy to correct the reports

for the "Moniteur." Lamartine not only corrected them but inserted whole

passages.'

'He inserted,' said M, 'not only passages but facts. Such as

"_applaudissements_," "_vive émotion," "hilarité_," often when the speech

had been received in silence, or unattended to.'

'I remember,' said Corcelle, 'an insertion of that kind in the report of

a speech which was never delivered. It was during the Restoration, when

written speeches were read, and sometimes were sent to the "Moniteur" in

anticipation of their being read. Such had been the case with respect to

the speech in question. The intended orator had inserted, like Lamartine,

"_vifs applaudissements," "profonde sensation_," and other notices of the

effect of his speech. The House adjourned unexpectedly before it was

delivered, and he forgot to withdraw the report.'

'Could a man like Lord Althorp,' I asked, 'whom it was painful to hear,

hold his place as leader of a French Assembly?'

'Impossible,' said Tocqueville, 'unless he were a soldier. We tolerate

from a man who has almost necessarily been deprived of a careful

education much clumsiness and awkwardness of elocution. Soult did not

speak much better than the Duke of Wellington, but he was listened to. He

had, like the Duke, an air of command which imposed.'

'Was there,' I said, 'any personal quarrel between Soult and Thiers?'

'Certainly there was,' said Z., 'a little one. I will not say that Soult

was in Spain a successful commander, or an agreeable colleague, or an

obedient subordinate, but whenever things went wrong there, Soult was the

man whom the Emperor sent thither to put them to rights. Great as Thiers

may be as a military critic, I venture to put him below Napoleon.'

'I have been reading,' I said, 'Falloux's reception speech, and was

disappointed by it.'

'In his speech and Brifault's,' said Circourt, 'you may compare the

present declamatory style and that of thirty years ago. Brifault has, or

attempts to have, the _légèreté_ and the prettiness of the Restoration.

Falloux is _grandiose_ and emphatic, as we all are now.'

'Falloux,' said Z., 'made an excellent speech the first time that he

addressed the Chamber of Deputies. The next time he was not so

successful, and after that he ceased to be listened to.

'But in the Constituent Assembly, and indeed in the Legislative, he

acquired an ascendency. In those Assemblies, great moral qualities and a

high social position were rarer than they were among the Deputies, and in

the dangers of the country they were more wanted. Falloux possesses them

all. He is honest and brave, and in his province employs liberally and

usefully a large fortune.'

'Were those the merits,' I asked, 'which opened to him the doors of the

Academy?'

'Certainly,' answered Z. 'As a man of letters he is nothing, as a

statesman not much. We elected him in honour of his courage and his

honesty, and perhaps with some regard to his fortune. We are the only

independent body left, and we value in a candidate no quality more than

independence.'

'I am told,' I said, 'that Falloux is now an ultra-Legitimist.'

'That is not true,' said Z. 'He is a Legitimist, but a liberal one. He

would tolerate no Government, whatever were its other claims, that was

not constitutional.'

'Your Academic ceremonies,' I said 'seem to me not very well imagined.

There is something _fade_, almost ridiculous, in the literary minuet in

which the _récipiendaire_ and the receiver are trotted out to show their

paces to each other and to the Academy. The new member extolling the

predecessor of whom he is the unworthy successor, the old member lauding

his new colleague to his face, and assuring him that he, too, is one of

the ornaments of the Society.'

'Particularly,' said ----, 'when, as was the case the other day, it is

notorious that neither of them has any real respect for the idol which he

is forced to crown. Then the political innuendoes, the under-currents of

censure of the present conveyed in praise of the past, become tiresome

after we have listened to them for five years. We long to hear people

talk frankly and directly, instead of saying one thing for the mere

purpose of showing that they are thinking of another thing. The Emperor

revenged himself on Falloux by his antithesis: "_que le désordre les

avait uni, et que l'ordre les avait séparé_.'"

'How did Falloux reply to it?' I asked.

'Feebly,' said ----. 'He muttered something about _l'ordre_ having no

firmer adherent than himself. In these formal audiences our great man has

the advantage. He has his _mot_ ready prepared, and you cannot discuss

with him.'

We talked of the French spoken by foreigners. 'The best,' said Circourt,

'is that of the Swedes and Russians, the worst that of the Germans.'

'Louis Philippe,' said Z., 'used to maintain that the best test of a

man's general talents was his power of speaking foreign languages. It was

an opinion that flattered his vanity, for he spoke like a native French,

Italian, English, and German.'

'It is scarcely possible,' said Tocqueville, 'for a man to be original in

any language but his own; in all others he is forced to say what he can,

and that is generally something that he recollects.'

'I was much struck by that,' said Z., 'when conversing with Narvaez. He

had been talking sensibly but rather dully in French, I begged him to

talk Spanish, which I understand though I cannot speak. The whole man was

changed. It was as if a curtain had been drawn up from between us.

Instead of hammering at commonplaces, he became pointed, and spirited,

and eloquent.'

'Is he an educated man?' I asked.

'For a Spaniard,' answered Z., 'yes. He has the quickness, the finesse,

and the elegance of mind and of manner which belong to the South. The

want of book-learning contributes to his originality.'

'The most wonderful speaker in a foreign language,' said Sumner, 'was

Kossuth. He must have been between forty and fifty before he heard an

English word. Yet he spoke it fluently, eloquently, and even

idiomatically. He would have made his fortune among us as a stump-orator.'

_Tuesday, April_ 28.--Tocqueville drank tea with us.

We talked rather of people than of things.

'Circourt,' said Tocqueville, 'is my dictionary. When I wish to know what

has been done or what has been said on any occasion, I go to Circourt. He

draws out one of the drawers in his capacious head, and finds there all

that I want arranged and ticketed.

'One of the merits of his talk, as it is of his character, is its

conscientiousness. He has the truthfulness of a thorough gentleman, and

his affections are as strong as his hatreds. I do not believe he would

sacrifice a friend even to a good story, and where is there another man

of whom that can be said?'

'What think you of Mrs. T-----?' I inquired.

'I like her too,' he replied, 'but less than I do Circourt. She has

considerable talent, but she thinks and reads only to converse. She has

no originality, no convictions. She says what she thinks that she can say

well; like a person writing a dialogue or an exercise. Whether the

opinion which she expresses be right or wrong, or the story that she

tells be true or false, is no concern of hers, provided it be _bien

dit_.'

'The fault of her conversation,' I said, 'seems to me to be, that while

she is repeating one sentence she is thinking of the next, and that while

you are speaking to her, she is considering what is to be her next topic.

I have noticed this fault in other very fluent conversers. They are so

intent on the future that they neglect the present.'

'It is rather a French than an English fault,' said Tocqueville. 'The

English have more curiosity and less vanity, than we have; more desire to

hear and less anxiety to shine. They are often, therefore, better

_causeurs_ than we are. _Le grand talent pour le silence_, or, in other

words, the power of listening which has been imputed to them, is a great

conversational virtue. I do not believe that it was said ironically or

epigrammatically. The man who bestowed that praise knew how rare a merit

silence is.'

'May we not owe that merit,' I asked, 'to our bad French? We shine most

when we listen.'

'A great talker,' I continued, 'Montalembert, is to breakfast with us.

Whom shall I ask to meet him?'

'Not me,' said Tocqueville, 'unless you will accept me as one of the

chorus. I will not take a _premier rôle_, or any prominent _rôle_, in a

piece in which he is to act. I like his society; that is, I like to sit

silent and hear him talk, and I admire his talents; and we have the

strong bond of common hatreds, though perhaps we hate on different, or

even opposite grounds, and I do not wish for a dispute with him, of

which, if I say anything, I shall be in danger. If we differed on only

one subject, instead of differing, as we do, on all but one, he would

pick out that single subject to attack me on. I am not sure that even as

host you will be safe. He is more acute in detecting points of opposition

than most men are in finding subjects of agreement. He avoids meeting you

on friendly or even on neutral ground. He chooses to have a combat _en

champ clos_.

'Take care,' he added, 'and do not have too many _sommités._ They watch

one another, are conscious that they are watched, and a coldness creeps

over the table.'

'We had two pleasant breakfasts,' I said, 'a fortnight ago. You were

leader of the band at one, Z. at the other, and the rest left the stage

free to the great actor.'

'As for me,' he answered, 'I often shut myself up, particularly after

dinner, or during dinner if it be long. The process of digestion, little,

as I can eat, seems to oppress me.

'Z. is always charming. He has an _aplomb_, an ease, a _verve_ arising

from his security that whatever he says will interest and amuse. He is a

perfect specimen of an ex-statesman, _homme de lettres_, and _père de

famille_, falling back on literature and the domestic affections. As for

me, I have intervals of _sauvagerie_, or rather the times when I am not

_sauvage_ are the intervals. I have many, perhaps too many, acquaintances

whom I like, and a very few friends whom I love, and a host of relations.

I easily tire of Paris, and long to fly to the fields and woods and

seashore of my province.'

We passed to the language of conversation.

'There are three words,' said Tocqueville, 'which you have lost, and

which I wonder how you do without,--Monsieur, Madame, and Mademoiselle.

You are forced always to substitute the name. They are so mixed in all

our forms that half of what we say would appear abrupt or blunt without

them.

'Then the _tutoyer_ is a _nuance_ that you want. When husband and wife

are talking together they pass insensibly, twenty times perhaps in an

hour, from the _vous_ to the _tu_. When matters of business or of serious

discussion are introduced, indeed whenever the affections are not

concerned, it is _vous_. With the least _soupçon_ of tenderness the _tu_

returns.'

'Yet,' I said, 'you never use the _tu_ before a third person.'

'Never,' he answered, 'in good company. Among the _bourgeoisie_ always.

It is odd that an aristocratic form, so easily learned, should not have

been adopted by all who pretend to be gentry. I remember being present

when an Englishman and his wife, much accustomed to good French society,

but unacquainted with this _nuance_, were laboriously _tutoyering_ each

other. I relieved them much by assuring them that it was not merely

unnecessary, but objectionable.'

_May_ 2.--Tocqueville dined with us.

A lady at the _table d'hôte_ was full of a sermon which she had heard at

the Madeleine. The preacher said, sinking his voice to an audible

whisper, 'I will tell you a secret, but it must go no farther. There is

more religion among the Protestants than with us, they are better

acquainted with the Bible, and make more use of their reading: we have

much to learn from them.'

I asked Tocqueville, when we were in our own room, as to the feelings of

the religious world in France with respect to heretics.

'The religious laity,' he answered, 'have probably little opinion on the

subject. They suppose the heretic to be less favourably situated than

themselves, but do not waste much thought upon him. The ignorant priests

of course consign him to perdition. The better instructed think, like

Protestants, that error is dangerous only so far as it influences

practice.

'Dr. Bretonneau, at Tours, was one of the best men that I have known, but

an unbeliever. The archbishop tried in his last illness to reconcile him

to the Church: Bretonneau died as he had lived. But the archbishop, when

lamenting to me his death, expressed his own conviction that so excellent

a soul could not perish.

'You recollect the duchesse in St.-Simon, who, on the death of a sinner

of illustrious race, said, "On me dira ce qu'on voudra, on ne me

persuadera pas que Dieu n'y regarde deux fois avant de damner un homme de

sa qualité." The archbishop's feeling was the same, only changing

_qualité_ into virtue.

'There is something amusing,' he continued, 'when, separated as we are

from it by such a chasm, we look back on the prejudices of the _Ancien

Régime_. An old lady once said to me, "I have been reading with great

satisfaction the genealogies which prove that Jesus Christ descended from

David. Ça montre que notre Seigneur était Gentilhomme."'

'We are somewhat ashamed,' I said, 'in general of Jewish blood, yet the

Lévis boast of their descent from the Hebrew Levi.'

'They are proud of it,' said Tocqueville, 'because they make themselves

out to be cousins of the Blessed Virgin. They have a picture in which a

Duc de Lévi stands bareheaded before the Virgin. "Couvrez-vous donc, mon

cousin," she says. "C'est pour ma commodité," he answers.'

The conversation passed to literature.

'I am glad,' said Tocqueville, 'to find that, imperfect as my knowledge

of English is, I can feel the difference in styles.'

'I feel strongly,' I said, 'the difference in French styles in prose, but

little in poetry.'

'The fact is,' said Tocqueville, 'that the only French poetry, except

that of Racine, that is worth reading is the light poetry. I do not think

that I could now read Lamartine, though thirty years ago he delighted

me.'

'The French taste,' I said, 'in English poetry differs from ours. You

read Ossian and the "Night Thoughts."'

'As for Ossian,' he answered, 'he does not seem to have been ever popular

in England. But the frequent reference to the "Night Thoughts," in the

books and letters of the last century, shows that the poem was then in

everybody's memory. Foreigners are in fact provincials. They take up

fashions of literature as country people do fashions of dress, when the

capital has left them off. When I was young you probably had ceased to be

familiar with Richardson. We knew him by heart. We used to weep over the

Lady Clementina, whom I dare say Miss Senior never heard of.

'During the first Empire, we of the old _régime_ abandoned Paris, as we

do now, and for the same reasons. We used to live in our châteaux, where

I remember as a boy hearing Sir Charles Grandison and Fielding read

aloud. A new novel was then an event. Madame Cottin was much more

celebrated than George Sand is now. For all her books were read, and by

everybody. Notwithstanding the great merits of George Sand's style, her

plots and her characters are so exaggerated and so unnatural, and her

morality is so perverted, that we have ceased to read her.'

We talked of Montalembert, and I mentioned his _sortie_ the other day

against the clergy.

'I can guess pretty well,' said Tocqueville, 'what he said to you, for it

probably was a _résumé_ of his article in the "Correspondant." Like most

men accustomed to public speaking, he repeats himself. He is as honest

perhaps as a man who is very _passionné_ can be; but his oscillations are

from one extreme to another. Immediately after the _coup d'état,_ when he

believed Louis Napoleon to be Ultramontane, he was as servile as his

great enemy the "Univers" is now. "Ce sont les nuances qui se querellent,

non les couleurs;" and between him and the "Univers" there is only a

_nuance_. The Bishop of Agen has oscillated like him, but began at the

other end. The other day the Bishop made a most servile address to the

Emperor. He had formerly been a furious anti-Bonapartist. "How is it

possible," said Montalembert, "that a man can rush so completely from one

opinion to another? On the 4th of December in 1851 this same Bishop

denounced the _coup d'état_ with such violence that the President sent me

to the Nuncio to request his interference. Now he is on his knees before

him. Such changes can scarcely be honest." Montalembert does not see that

the only difference between them is that they have trod in opposite

directions the very same path.'

_Thursday, May_ 5.--Tocqueville and I dined with M. and Madame de Bourke,

and met there General Dumas and Ary Scheffer.

We talked of Delaroche's pictures, and Scheffer agreed with me in

preferring the smaller ones. He thought that Delaroche improved up to the

time of his death, and preferred his Moses, and Drowned Martyr, painted

in 1853 and 1855, to the other large ones, and his Girondins, finished in

1856, to the earlier small ones.

We passed on to the increased and increasing population of Paris.

'The population of Paris,' I said, 'is only half that of London, while

that of the British Islands is not three-fourths that of France. If you

were to double the population of Paris, therefore, it would still be

proportionally less than that of London.'

'That is true,' said Tocqueville, 'but yet there are many circumstances

connected with the Parisian population each of which renders it more

dangerous than the London one. In the first place, there is the absence

of any right to relief. The English workman knows that neither he nor his

family can starve. The Frenchman becomes anxious as soon as his

employment is irregular, and desperate when it fails. The English workmen

are unacquainted with arms, and have no leaders with military experience.

The bulk of the Frenchmen have served, many of them are veterans in civil

war, and they have commanders skilled in street-fighting. The English

workmen have been gradually attracted to London by a real and permanent

demand for their labour. They have wives and children. At least 100,000

men have been added to the working population of Paris since the _coup

d'état._ They are young men in the vigour of their strength and passions,

unrestrained by wives or families. They have been drawn hither suddenly

and artificially by the demolition and reconstruction of half the town,

by the enormous local expenditure of the Government, and by the fifty

millions spent in keeping the price of bread in Paris unnaturally low.

The 40,000 men collected in Paris by the construction of the

fortifications are supposed to have mainly contributed to the revolution

of 1848. What is to be expected from this addition of 100,000? Then the

repressive force is differently constituted and differently animated. In

England you have an army which has chosen arms as a profession, which

never thinks of any other employment, and indeed is fit for no other, and

never expects any provision except its pay and its pension. The French

soldier, ever since 1789, is a citizen. He serves his six years because

the law and the colonel force him to do so, but he counts the days until

he can return to his province, his cottage, and his field. He sympathises

with the passions of the people. In the terrible days of June, the army

withstood the cries, the blessings, the imprecations and the seductions

of the mob, only because they had the National Guards by their side.

Their presence was a guarantee that the cause was just. The National

Guards never fought before as they did in those days. Yet at the Château

d'Eau, the miraculous heroism and the miraculous good luck of Lamoricière

were necessary to keep them together. If he had not exposed himself as no

man ever did, and escaped as no man ever did, they would have been

broken.'

'I was there,' said Scheffer, 'when his fourth horse was killed under

him. As the horse was sinking he drew his feet out of the stirrups and

came to the ground without falling; but his cigar dropped from his mouth.

He picked it up, and went on with the order which he was giving to an

_aide-de-camp._

'I saw that,' said Tocqueville. 'He had placed himself immediately behind

a cannon in front of the Château d'Eau which fired down the Boulevard du

Temple. A murderous fire from the windows in a corner of the Rue du

Temple killed all the artillerymen. The instant that Lamoricière placed

himself behind it, I thought that I saw what would happen. I implored him

to get behind some shelter, or at least not to pose as a mark.

"Recollect," I said, "that if you go on in this way you must be killed

before the day is over-and where shall we all be?"'

'"I see the danger of what I am doing," he answered, "and I dislike it as

much as you can do; but it is necessary. The National Guards are shaking;

if they break, the Line follows. I must set an example that everyone can

see and can understand. This is not a time for taking precautions. If _I_

were to shelter myself, _they_ would run."'

'How does Lamoricière,' I asked, 'bear exile and inactivity in Brussels?'

'Very ill,' said Scheffer. 'He feels that he has compromised the

happiness of his wife, whom he married not long before the _coup

d'état._'

'Changarnier at Malins, who lives alone and has only himself to care for,

supports it much better.'

Tocqueville and I walked home together.

'Scheffer,' he said, 'did not tell all that happened at the Château

d'Eau. Men seldom do when they fight over their battles.'

'The insurgents by burrowing through walls had got into a house in the

rear of our position. They manned the windows, and suddenly fired down on

us from a point whence no danger had been feared. This caused a panic

among the National Guards, a force of course peculiarly subject to

panics. They turned and ran back 250 yards along the Boulevard St.

Martin, carrying with them the Line and Lamoricière himself. He

endeavoured to stop them by outcries, and by gesticulations, and indeed

by force. He gave to one man who was trying to run by him a blow with his

fist, so well meant and well directed that it broke his collar bone.'

'At length he stopped them, re-formed them, and said: "Now you shall

march, I at your head, and the drummer beating the charge, as if you were

on parade, up to that house." They did so. After a few discharges, which

miraculously missed Lamoricière, the men in the house deserted it.'

'What were you doing at the Château d'Eau?' I asked.

'We were marching,' he said, 'with infantry and artillery on the

Boulevard du Temple, across which there was a succession of barricades,

which it was necessary to take one by one.

'As we advanced in the middle, our sappers and miners got into the houses

on each side, broke through the party walls, and killed the men at the

windows.'

'Those three days,' he continued, 'impress strongly on my mind the

dangers of our present state.'

'It is of no use to take up pavements and straighten streets, and pierce

Paris by long military roads, and loop-hole the barracks, if the

Executive cannot depend on the army. Ditches and bastions are of no use

if the garrison will not man them.'

'The new law of recruitment, however, may produce a great change. Instead

of 80,000 conscripts, 120,000 are to be taken each year. This is about

all that are fit for service. They are required to serve for only two

years. If the change ended there our army would be still more a militia

than it is now. It would be the Prussian Landwehr. But those entitled to

their discharge are to be enticed by higher pay, promotions, bounties,

and retiring pensions--in short, by all means of seduction, to re-enter

for long periods, for ten, or fifteen, or perhaps twenty years. It is

hoped that thus a permanent regular army may be formed, with an _esprit

de corps_ of its own, unsympathising with the people, and ready to keep

it down; and such will, I believe, be the result. But it will take nine

or ten years to produce such an army--and the dangers that I fear are

immediate.'

'What are the motives,' I asked, 'for the changes as to the conscription,

the increase of numbers, and the diminution of the time of service?'

'They are parts,' he answered, 'of the system. The French peasant, and

indeed the _ouvrier_, dislikes the service. The proportion of conscripts

who will re-enlist is small. Therefore the whole number must be large.

The country must be bribed to submit to this by the shortness of the

term. The conscript army will be sacrificed to what is to be the regular

army. It will be young and ill-trained.'

'But your new regular army,' I said, 'will be more formidable to the

enemy than your present force.'

'I am not sure of that,' he answered. 'The merit of the French army was

the impetuosity of its attack, the "furia Francese," as the Italians

called it. Young troops have more of this quality than veterans. The

Maison du Roi, whose charge at Steenkirk Macaulay has so well described,

consisted of boys of eighteen.'

'I am re-editing,' I said, 'my old articles. Among them is one written in

1841 on the National Character of France, England, and America,[1] as

displayed towards foreign nations. I have not much to change in what I

have said of England or of America. As they have increased in strength

they have both become still more arrogant, unjust, and shameless.

'England has perhaps become a little more prudent America a little less

so. But France seems to me to be altered. I described her as a soldier

with all the faults of that unsocial character. As ambitious, rapacious,

eager for nothing but military glory and territorial aggrandisement. She

seems now to have become moderate and pacific, and to be devoted rather

to the arts of peace than to those of war.'

'France _is_ changed,' answered Tocqueville, 'and when compared with the

France of Louis XIV., or of Napoleon, was already changed when you wrote,

though the war-cry raised for political purposes in 1840 deceived

you. At the same time, I will not deny that military glory would, more

than any other merit, even _now_ strengthen a Government, and that

military humiliation would inevitably destroy one. Nor must you overrate

the unpopularity of the last war. Only a few even of the higher classes

understood its motives. "Que diable veut cette guerre?" said my country

neighbour to me; "si c'était contre les Anglais--mais _avec_ les Anglais,

et pour le Grand Turc, qu'est-ce que cela peut signifier?" But when they

saw that it cost only men, that they were not invaded or overtaxed, and

that prices rose, they got reconciled to it.

'It was only the speculators of Paris that were tired of it. And if,

instead of the Crimea, we had fought near our own frontiers, or for some

visible purpose, all our military passions, bad and good, would have

broken out.'

[Footnote 1: This article is republished in the _Historical and

Philosophical Essays_. Longmans: 1865.--ED.]

_Wednesday, May_ 13.--Tocqueville came in after breakfast, and I walked

with him in the shade of the green walls or arcades of the Tuileries

chestnuts.

We talked of the Montijos, which led our conversation to Mérimée and V.

'Both of them,' said Tocqueville, 'were the friends of

Countess Montijo, the mother.

'V. was among the last persons who knew Eugénie as Countess Théba. He

escorted her to the Tuileries the very evening of her marriage. There he

took his leave of her. "You are now," he said, "placed so high that I can

only admire you from below." And I do not believe that they have met

since.

'Mérimée took a less sentimental view of the change. He acknowledged his

Empress in his former plaything, subsided from a sort of stepfather into

a courtier, and so rose to honour and wealth, while V. is satisfied to

remain an ex-professor and _un homme de lettres_.'

* * * * *

We met Henri Martin, and I asked Tocqueville what he thought of his

History.

'It has the merit of selling,' he said, 'which cannot be said of any

other History of France. Martin is laborious and conscientious, and does

not tell a story ill; but he is a partisan and is always biassed by his

own likings and dislikings. He belongs to the class of theorists,

unfortunately not a small one, whose political _beau idéal_ is the

absence of all control over the will of the people-who are opposed

therefore to an hereditary monarchy-to a permanent President--to a

permanent magistracy-to an established Church--in short, to all

privileged classes, bodies, or institutions. Equality, not liberty or

security, is their object. They are centralisers and absolutists. A

despotic Assembly elected by universal suffrage, sitting at most for a

year, governing, like the Convention, through its committees, or a single

despot, appointed for a week, and not re-eligible, is the sort of ruler

that they would prefer. The last five years have perhaps disgusted Martin

with his Asiatic democracy, but his earlier volumes are coloured

throughout by his prejudices against all systems implying a division of

power, and independent authorities controlling and balancing one

another.'

We talked of the Secret Police.

'It has lately,' said Tocqueville, 'been unusually troublesome, or rather

it has been troublesome to a class of persons whom it seldom ventures to

molest. A friend of mine, M. Sauvaire Barthélemy, one of Louis Philippe's

peers, was standing at the door of his hotel reading a letter. A

gentleman in plain clothes addressed him, announced himself as an _agent

de police_, and asked him if the letter which he was reading was

political. "No," said Barthélemy, "you may see it. It is a _billet de

mariage." "I am directed," said the agent, "to request you to get into

this carriage." They got in and drove to Mazas. There Barthélemy was

shown into a neat room with iron bars to the windows, and ordered to

wait. After some time Louis Pietri, the Préfet de Police, arrived.

'"I am grieved," he said, "at giving you so much trouble, but I have been

commanded to see you in this place, and to inform you that the Emperor

cannot bear that a man in your high position should systematically

misrepresent him.

'"L'Empereur fait tout ce qu'il peut pour le bonheur de la France, et il

n'entend pas supporter une opposition aussi constante et aussi violente.

Effectivement il ne veut pas d'opposition. Voulez-vous le tenir pour

dit, Monsieur, et recevoir de nouveau mes excuses du dérangement que j'ai

dû vous causer? Pour le présent vous êtes libre."'

[Mr. Senior left Paris on the next day.

M. de Tocqueville paid his promised visit to England in June, and was

received with a perfect ovation.--ED.]

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