Mrs. PAINE. I asked John Thorne----

Mr. JENNER. By telephone or direct inquiry face to face?

Mrs. PAINE. In person, at his office, whether Marina Oswald was

signing, and by this I meant--endorsing her own checks and his reply

to me was that everything she can do herself she is doing. From this I

assumed she could sign her name. I left a letter which enclosed such a

check written by me to her.

Mr. JENNER. You left with whom? With John Thorne or with Mr. Martin?

Mrs. PAINE. It does look as if I had left it--let's see--given to the

hand of John Thorne.

Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, you have now turned to the second page of Ruth

Paine Exhibit 277 and you are pointing to a footnote at the bottom of

that page, are you not?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. And the reference there to this letter is to the letter

which appears on that page?

Mrs. PAINE. That's right.

Mr. JENNER. And do I take it from the footnote that accompanying that

letter transcribed in the second page of Ruth Paine Exhibit 277,

accompanying it was a check?

Mrs. PAINE. That's right, enclosed in the stamped and sealed envelope.

Mr. JENNER. And the check is the instrument you now hand me, dated

December 28, 1963, check number 205 in the sum of $10, payable to

Marina Oswald, which we will mark as Ruth Paine Exhibit 277-A.

(Exhibit marked by the reporter as Ruth Paine Exhibit No. 277-A, for

identification.)

Mr. JENNER. On the reverse side of that there appears in longhand as an

endorsement and the name "Marina Oswald." Do you see it?

Mrs. PAINE. I do.

Mr. JENNER. Are you familiar with that signature?

Mrs. PAINE. I am not.

Mr. JENNER. Are you familiar with Marina Oswald's signature?

Mrs. PAINE. I am.

Mr. JENNER. Looking at the endorsement on the reverse side of Exhibit

277-A, in your opinion is or is not that Marina Oswald's signature?

Mrs. PAINE. That is not Marina Oswald's official hand.

Mr. JENNER. Did you repeat that process on some subsequent occasions of

remitting cash gifts by check?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes, I did.

Mr. JENNER. And you have now handed me another instrument which

purports to be and which is a check.

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. On the Southwest Bank and Trust Co., and what is the other

document No. 277-A, this one, which is dated January 8, 1964, and it is

the sum of $5 and it is check No. 216.

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. It is also payable to Marina Oswald; is that your check?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes, it is.

Mr. JENNER. We will mark it as Ruth Paine Exhibit No. 277-B.

(Instrument referred to marked by the reporter as Ruth Paine Exhibit

No. 277-B, for identification.)

Mr. JENNER. Referring to Exhibit 277-A and 277-B, does your signature

appears as the maker of each of those checks?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; it does.

Mr. JENNER. And you recall distinctly that you did make them?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I do.

Mr. JENNER. And these are the cancelled checks that are returned to you

by your bank, Southwest Bank & Trust Co.?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Referring to Exhibit No. 277-A and turning it over, is

there an endorsement on the reverse side?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; there is.

Mr. JENNER. And do you recognize that endorsement?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I do.

Mr. JENNER. Is it in longhand?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; it is.

Mr. JENNER. In whose hand?

Mrs. PAINE. That is in Marina Oswald's hand.

Mr. JENNER. And it reads "Marina Oswald," does it not?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Each of these checks also bears the stamped endorsement

"For deposit only, to Oswald Trust Fund," is that right?

Mrs. PAINE. That's right--that should be said.

Mr. JENNER. And are these instruments now in the same condition when

they were returned to you, by your bank?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; they are.

Mr. JENNER. Miss Reporter, I hand you the check No. 205 dated December

28, 1963, please mark it Ruth Paine Exhibit No. 277-A. And mark check

No. 216, dated January 8, 1964, as Ruth Paine Exhibit No. 277-B.

(Instruments marked by the reporter as Ruth Paine Exhibits Nos. 277-A

and 277-B.)

Mr. JENNER. May I have your permission, please Mrs. Paine, to retain

these two exhibits and as soon as I have photostated them with all of

the other originals of documents that you produced last week, I want to

return them all to you at once.

Mrs. PAINE. All right.

Mr. JENNER. Anything else, now, that occurs to you?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. Anything else that is pertinent which you think might be

helpful to the Commission in this investigation?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. We have been on and off the record during the course of

this session, Mrs. Paine, in which I have had some conversation with

you. Is there anything that occurred during those off-the-record

sessions which you regard as pertinent which I have not brought out?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. Is there anything that occurred in those off-the-record

sessions which in your opinion is inconsistent with anything that has

been stated and testified in the record by you or stated into the

record by Mr. Howlett or by me?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. Off the record.

(Discussion between Counsel Jenner and the witness, Mrs. Paine, off the

record.)

Mr. JENNER. Back on the record now, please. Facing north, in the rear

of the Paine home, the rear door leading from the kitchen-dining

room area out onto the yard in the rear, there is a large pleasant,

completely open yard with grass. The plot is surrounded by a cyclone

fence 5 feet high with a gate so that children playing, small children

playing in the yard are completely protected and prevented from getting

out. That yard area, measuring from the north wall of the home to

the rear fence is 80 feet, 6 inches and in width, measuring east to

west, the yard from cyclone fence to cyclone fence is 51 feet. There

is a clothesline that traverses from east to west in the yard and the

clothesline itself, the poles, which are parallel to the east-west line

of the house and east-west fence in the rear is 19-1/2 feet south of

the rear fence. There are two large shade trees, both oaks, the one

at the easterly line near the easterly fence is 7 feet, 9 inches in

circumference. There is one almost opposite on the west, which is much

smaller, and is about--not quite a foot thick.

The tree in the front of the house which we have described earlier has

a circumference of 6 feet, 3 inches, and the circumferences we have

recited in the record were measured at 3 feet from the ground.

Is that correct, Mr. Howlett?

Agent HOWLETT. It is 6 feet on the tree in the front, 3 feet from the

ground.

Mr. JENNER. I see--I recited it 3 inches and that was in error.

Agent HOWLETT. It should be 6 feet, measured 3 feet from the ground.

Mr. JENNER. Mrs. Paine, have you translated the note which appears on

the inside of the Christmas card from Marina, about which you have

testified this evening?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I have.

Mr. JENNER. It appears on the left inside portion, does it not?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Of the Christmas card and having interpreted or translated

it would you read the translation into the record?

Mrs. PAINE. The translation says:

"DEAR RUTH:

Sends here greetings to you, Micheal and the children and

wishes for a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. I am very

sorry that our friendship ended so unfortunately but it was not

my fault. I hope that the new year will bring us all better

changes. I wish you health, fortune, happiness and all of the

very best. A great big thank you for all the fine things you

did for me.

Sincerely,

MARINA.

P.S.--Write if you feel like it, please. Greetings from little

June. I kiss you, Marina."

Mr. JENNER. Thank you, Mrs. Paine.

Now, you have handed me a Christmas card, the cover page of which

reads, "Wishing you the best," and there is an insignia on the front

of it. I have already referred to the inside cover page, which you now

have interpreted for us, and directing your attention to that writing

which appears to be in red ink, are you familiar with the writing?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I am.

Mr. JENNER. Whose writing is it?

Mrs. PAINE. It is Marina Oswald's writing.

Mr. JENNER. You also handed me an envelope which is postmarked at

Dallas on December 21, 1963, and there appears to be some handwriting

on that. Are you familiar with that handwriting?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I am.

Mr. JENNER. Whose is that?

Mrs. PAINE. It is Marina Oswald's handwriting.

Mr. JENNER. Here again as in the case of other envelopes, the envelope

itself--everything appearing on the face of the envelope is in English?

Mrs. PAINE. That is right.

Mr. JENNER. Whereas, the note on the inside is in Russian?

Mrs. PAINE. That is right.

Mr. JENNER. And this is as you testified--she was able to write English

to the extent of addressing letters, cards, and envelopes?

Mrs. PAINE. That's right.

Mr. JENNER. Miss Reporter, would you now mark the two exhibits I now

hand you as Ruth Paine Exhibit Nos. 278, the card, and 278-A, the

envelope?

(Instruments referred to marked by the reporter as Ruth Paine Exhibit

Nos. 278 and 278-A, for identification.)

Mr. JENNER. Mrs. Paine, is the card in the same condition now as it was

except for the reporter's identification, when you received it?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; it is.

Mr. JENNER. And was Ruth Paine Exhibit 278, the card enclosed in the

envelope which has been identified as Ruth Paine Exhibit No. 278-A?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; it was so enclosed.

Mr. JENNER. And except for having slit the envelope to remove its

contents, is the envelope in the same condition now as it was when you

received it?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. And may we, as in the case of the other exhibits, retain

the original and when I have photostated it we will return them to you?

Mrs. PAINE. That is fine.

Mr. JENNER. I offer in evidence all of the exhibits which have been

identified this evening.

Is there anything at all which has occurred to you that you desire to

add, Mrs. Paine?

Mrs. PAINE. I can think of nothing else at this point.

Mr. JENNER. I do want to ask you this--while you were translating the

Christmas card message, Mr. Howlett and I measured--we went out in

your back yard area, which is large and open, and we measured it and I

recited the measurements in the record and the location of your large

beautiful shade trees. I noted that there traverses from east to west

your yard in the rear a clothesline.

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. And I measured that as being located at 19-1/2 feet south

of the back porch--of the back fence?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Is that the clothesline to which you made reference when

you testified last week in Washington as to where Marina was on the

midafternoon or early afternoon of November 22 when you went out to

advise her that you had heard over the radio the name "Lee Oswald" in

connection with events that day?

Mrs. PAINE. No; it was not that that I heard. I heard that a shot had

been fired from the School Book Depository Building and this is what I

told her.

Mr. JENNER. And is that clothesline and those posts which support the

clothesline and from which the line is stretched across the yard in the

same position now as those posts were on that day?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; they are.

Mr. JENNER. And on that occasion?

Mrs. PAINE. I can't remember whether as part of my testimony describing

the evening of November 22, I said that Marina told me that when I

reported to her the situation at the clothesline that the TV had

announced that the shots which hit the President were fired from the

School Book Depository. She recalled that to me in the evening and

told me when I had told her this, her heart went to the bottom. I

don't recall whether I included that, but I remember that during the

Commission hearings--I have recalled it since.

Mr. JENNER. I direct your attention to page 49 of the document entitled

"Affidavits and Statements Taken in Connection With the Assassination

of the President," to which we have heretofore made reference when I

asked you to examine a list of documents and books and records and

papers and pamphlets. Directing your attention to page 49--is that an

affidavit or a signed statement that you furnished the Dallas city

police?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes, it is.

Mr. JENNER. And is that the statement to which you had reference in

your testimony before the Commission that you gave on the evening of

November 22?

Mrs. PAINE. The 22d, yes.

Mr. JENNER. Under examination by an officer of the Dallas city police?

Mrs. PAINE. That's right.

Mr. JENNER. Will you read it through and see if it serves to refresh

your recollection, read it to yourself, and see if it serves to refresh

your recollection as to anything you might not have included in your

testimony last week as to what occurred during the course of the

interview of the Dallas city police with you?

Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall most of that content but that surely was

it--I was under a good deal of stress at the time.

"AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT

THE STATE OF TEXAS

COUNTY OF DALLAS

BEFORE ME, Patsy Collins, a Notary Public in and for said

county, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared Ruth

Hyde Paine/w/f/31, 2515 W. Fifth Street, Irving, Texas. Who,

after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says: I have

lived at the above address for about 4 years. My husband,

Michael and I had been separated for about a year. IN the

early winter of 1963, I went to a party in Dallas because I

heard that some people would be there that spoke Russian. I

was interested in the language. At that party I met Lee Oswald

and his Russian wife Marina. About a month later I went to

visit them on Neely Street. In May I asked her to stay with me

because Lee went to New Orleans to look for work. About two

weeks later I took Marina to New Orleans to join her husband.

Around the end of September I stopped by to see them while I

was on vacation. I brought Marina back with me to Irving. He

came in 2 weeks, later, but did not stay with his wife and me.

Marina's husband would come and spend most of the weekends with

his wife. Through my neighbor, we heard there was an opening at

the Texas School Book Depository. Lee applied and was accepted.

Lee did not spend last weekend there. He came in about 5 pm

yesterday and spent the night. I was asleep this morning when

he left for work.

(S) RUTH HYDE PAINE."

Mr. JENNER. Now, I direct your attention to page 46. There appears to

be a signature of Mrs. Marina Oswald on that page. You are familiar

with her signature?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes, I am.

Mr. JENNER. Is that her signature?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes, that is her signature.

Mr. JENNER. Will you read the statement and see if it serves to refresh

your recollection or stimulate some other recollection as to what

occurred that evening or at any other time, to which you have not

already testified.

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