Mr. JENNER. She said----

Mrs. PAINE. That is a lie. She had delegated power of attorney, and I

knew that at this time I was reporting the conversation to Marina on

the 9th of March because I had read it in the paper.

Mr. JENNER. You had learned it in the meantime?

Mrs. PAINE. Had learned in the meantime that she had delegated power of

attorney.

Mr. JENNER. I have been seeking all that occurred in your visit with

Marina and Mrs. Ford in the Ford home on March 9. Have you completed

that? Is there anything you would like to add?

Mrs. PAINE. Well, I would like to add that Mrs. Ford was out for a

brief period. She went to the washerteria to pick up some clothes

that had been at the drier so that for a time Marina and I were alone

perfectly free to say anything we wanted.

Mr. JENNER. And during that period was your conversation, your visit

with Marina pleasant?

Mrs. PAINE. Oh, indeed; yes.

Mr. JENNER. Free and open? What reaction did you get during the period

you were alone with her as to her feeling or regard or how she felt

about you?

Mrs. PAINE. Well, I felt she was certainly friendly, but I felt the

strain of wanting to avoid any reference to her husband or to the

events that were so painful to us both. And I didn't want to ask

directly anything about why she hadn't written or confront her with

that. She did say as I was working at the tape recorder later, and Mrs.

Ford was reading from the book, we came to a break in the recording and

Marina commented, she had been sitting across the room watching, my

profile was very like her mother's, and this is not the first time she

has made the connection to my physical build and that of her mother. I

don't give this much significance, but I do have the impression that

there are many feelings and mixed feelings in us both. It is not a

simple relationship.

Mr. JENNER. Do you anticipate the possibility of, I will use the word,

renewing, it may not be the right word.

Mrs. PAINE. I think that would be right. There has been a distinct

break.

Mr. JENNER. Of this cordial friendship and relationship with Marina?

Mrs. PAINE. I would like that if it comes about.

Mr. JENNER. And do you have a feeling that there is a possibility of

that arising out of your contact with her on March 9, having now talked

with her face to face?

Mrs. PAINE. I think there is that possibility. I would like her to do

some of the initiating, if not most of it at this point. I said I was

going to Washington. I had just heard that same evening before going

to the Fords. Mrs. Ford said that she and her husband were to go to

Washington, and when. And I said when I would be back home, and Marina

implied that she might try to contact me then. I am hopeful that she

will. I don't have any particular plans to attempt to contact her.

Mr. JENNER. Do you have any feeling other than charity in your heart

for Marina?

Mrs. PAINE. Oh, yes; certainly. I like her very much as a person.

This doesn't mean that I understand her, that she is a person to whom

I feel automatically kindred. She was raised in Soviet Russia. She

has a background very foreign to my own. I am not even aware of some

of the kinds of differences this may cause. I do think that she is a

good thinker and a free thinker and that she thinks for herself. I

was interested to note what I have put into the record, I believe,

yesterday evening about her comment to Mr. Hosty, the first time he

came to the house, that she thought Castro was not getting an entirely

fair press or not being pictured well in this country, to present

a contrary opinion in this situation, and an independent opinion,

possibly, clearly unpopular, or she could well suspect it would be

unpopular with the FBI agent showed a certain amount of independence

and courage and self-confidence, I felt, more what I would expect of

an American than of a person raised to be fearful of secret police and

state domination.

Mr. JENNER. Do you have anything you want to add in this connection?

Mrs. PAINE. Just the observation that her view of herself and of what

she should do now that her husband has been accused of assassinating

the President of the United States must be very strongly affected by

the fact that she was raised in Soviet Russia, not here, but the fact

that she is an emigre hopeful of staying, but by no means native.

Mr. JENNER. Did she ever talk to you, I think you mentioned before that

she was hopeful of staying. Did she express that to you?

Mrs. PAINE. On several occasions.

Mr. JENNER. And of ultimately becoming a citizen of the United States?

Mrs. PAINE. She didn't mention that, but I assumed it.

Mr. JENNER. You assumed it from the nature of the conversation?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I didn't hear anything specifically stated about that

until I read it in the paper after the assassination.

Mr. JENNER. I would like to limit it first not to what you read in the

paper and your being influenced thereby, but from your contacts with

Marina, and the conversations that you had, there must have been many,

many of them.

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. In your home. Do you have a feeling that she has a hope or

desire or an intention eventually to become a citizen of the United

States?

Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall that specifically. I recall on several

occasions that she----

Mr. JENNER. I am seeking only your impression now.

Mrs. PAINE. I will try to answer it by giving these impressions. She

expressed many times her wish to stay in this country. She wanted to

raise her children here. She was interested in June's learning English

and was very concerned that June be able to speak English before she

entered school. Indeed, I felt she was not enough concerned that June

maintain a bilingual background. She wouldn't have cared if June only

learned English, whereas, I, here struggling hard to learn Russian,

thought that June could have a chance to learn it easily, but her

expression of interest was in June's learning English and not any

particular desire to maintain a bilingual quality.

Mr. JENNER. I would share your feeling. I wish I had the command of

more than English. I would like very much to do so. I took a lot of

Spanish, but it is completely gone now.

Mrs. PAINE. It is very hard to be truly bilingual. Few children have

the opportunity.

Mr. JENNER. I have just a couple technicalities on the diary and on

your address book, so I can establish them for the record. I would like

to go through Commission Exhibit 401, which is the calendar. The entry

on page 3 of the exhibit in reference to Lawrence Hoke--that is your

brother-in-law? Oh, that is your nephew?

Mrs. PAINE. He was born last April 14, 1963, and I wrote it down.

Mr. JENNER. Nothing to do with the Oswalds?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. The next sheet is blank, of course. Now, to the calendar

itself, are there any entries in January that have reference to Oswalds?

Mrs. PAINE. None.

Mr. JENNER. February?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Pick them out according to dates.

Mrs. PAINE. Well, you must understand that some of these were written

at the time and some were put in later.

Mr. JENNER. All right; distinguish between them, please.

Mrs. PAINE. I wrote down on February 15, June's birthday, 9:55 a.m.,

Minsk. That was written in later.

Mr. JENNER. That is, she was born on February 15. Did you put the year

in there?

Mrs. PAINE. The year does not appear. I, of course, know it.

Mr. JENNER. And that was the previous year?

Mrs. PAINE. She was born in 1962.

Mr. JENNER. 1962. Any other reference or entry in the month of February

that has relation to the Oswalds?

Mrs. PAINE. At the top is written "Marina last period February 5"

crossed out "or 15th." This refers to menstrual period trying to figure

when the baby would be due, and it was an inaccurate notation I learned

later. Then there is a note written at the time, the only one on this

page that refers to the Oswalds that was written at the time, and that

says, "Everett's?"

Mr. JENNER. Entered where?

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