Mr. JENNER. Tell me what you understand----

Mrs. PAINE. My understanding is that the consumer owns the business. In

other words, holds the shares, the stock that control, and determine

the management of the business, and share in the profits.

Mr. JENNER. Is that something like what I would call a farmers

cooperative?

Mrs. PAINE. I don't know what farmers cooperative is.

Mr. JENNER. Would you describe what you understand the cooperative

movement is?

Mrs. PAINE. I think consumers cooperative is somewhat different. I

am not certain what farmers cooperative is. I know that they were

interested in and voted for Norman Thomas when they were in New York.

Mr. JENNER. Have you ever had any interests of that nature, that is

an active political interest in a political party? For example, the

Socialist Party of which Mr. Thomas was the head, or leader?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. I take it from this thumbnail sketch of your life up to

the present moment, your interests were largely in the Friends and

recreation for underprivileged children, people who needed help. Your

interests were in the social area, but not a political party interest.

Mrs. PAINE. That is a correct statement.

Mr. JENNER. How would you describe your family from the standpoint of

their social standing or their financial standing? Were they people of

modest means?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes. My family was middle income who spent rather more

money on education and good medical care than most people in our income.

Mr. JENNER. And they were modest in their tastes, I gather this,

frankly, from reading the correspondence between your parents and

yourself. I mean modest in their material tastes.

Mrs. PAINE. Oh, yes; and certainly the means were modest.

Mr. JENNER. I gather from reading some of the letters and some of the

reports of interviews with others, and may I say to you, Mrs. Paine,

that the people with whom you have been in contact over the years think

very well of you, and particularly your activities in connection with

the Friends and your teaching and recreation, would you say that the

pattern of your life has been one of seeking to help others and of the

giving of yourself to others in that respect?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I think that is a fair statement.

Mr. JENNER. Would you be good enough, if I am not pressing you too

much, to indicate what your philosophy of life is in that general

connection?

Mrs. PAINE. I believe in doing as the soul prompts, and proceeding to

help or offer help if the desire to do so comes from within me. It is

not an ideology that I am following here, but a desire to live the best

possible life I can, and to always seek to understand what that best

life is.

Mr. JENNER. Have you finished?

Mrs. PAINE. I have a lot of thoughts about the problems of helping

anyone, and about the possibility of self-deception or false pride that

can enter, if you help someone because you think you should or from

something outside an inner feeling that this is what you want to do.

But I don't think I have to discuss it more fully than that.

Mr. JENNER. Return a moment to your conference with Mr. Hosty, on the

first of November 1963. You have had time to search your own mind as to

whether it occurred actually on the first of November, and what time

of the day it was Marina testified, and this is for the purpose of

refreshing your recollection if it does--I will read it back a little

bit, she was shown Lee's diary and the entry to which we called your

attention yesterday in that diary. She was asked, "Did you report to

your husband the fact of this visit November 1 with the FBI agent?"

She responded: "I didn't report it to him at once, but as soon as he

came for a weekend I told him about it."

Then she added voluntarily: "By the way, on that day he was due to

arrive--that is November 1.

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