Mrs. PAINE. My understanding is that the consumer owns the business. In
other words, holds the shares, the stock that control, and determine
the management of the business, and share in the profits.
Mr. JENNER. Is that something like what I would call a farmers
cooperative?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't know what farmers cooperative is.
Mr. JENNER. Would you describe what you understand the cooperative
movement is?
Mrs. PAINE. I think consumers cooperative is somewhat different. I
am not certain what farmers cooperative is. I know that they were
interested in and voted for Norman Thomas when they were in New York.
Mr. JENNER. Have you ever had any interests of that nature, that is
an active political interest in a political party? For example, the
Socialist Party of which Mr. Thomas was the head, or leader?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. I take it from this thumbnail sketch of your life up to
the present moment, your interests were largely in the Friends and
recreation for underprivileged children, people who needed help. Your
interests were in the social area, but not a political party interest.
Mrs. PAINE. That is a correct statement.
Mr. JENNER. How would you describe your family from the standpoint of
their social standing or their financial standing? Were they people of
modest means?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes. My family was middle income who spent rather more
money on education and good medical care than most people in our income.
Mr. JENNER. And they were modest in their tastes, I gather this,
frankly, from reading the correspondence between your parents and
yourself. I mean modest in their material tastes.
Mrs. PAINE. Oh, yes; and certainly the means were modest.
Mr. JENNER. I gather from reading some of the letters and some of the
reports of interviews with others, and may I say to you, Mrs. Paine,
that the people with whom you have been in contact over the years think
very well of you, and particularly your activities in connection with
the Friends and your teaching and recreation, would you say that the
pattern of your life has been one of seeking to help others and of the
giving of yourself to others in that respect?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I think that is a fair statement.
Mr. JENNER. Would you be good enough, if I am not pressing you too
much, to indicate what your philosophy of life is in that general
connection?
Mrs. PAINE. I believe in doing as the soul prompts, and proceeding to
help or offer help if the desire to do so comes from within me. It is
not an ideology that I am following here, but a desire to live the best
possible life I can, and to always seek to understand what that best
life is.
Mr. JENNER. Have you finished?
Mrs. PAINE. I have a lot of thoughts about the problems of helping
anyone, and about the possibility of self-deception or false pride that
can enter, if you help someone because you think you should or from
something outside an inner feeling that this is what you want to do.
But I don't think I have to discuss it more fully than that.
Mr. JENNER. Return a moment to your conference with Mr. Hosty, on the
first of November 1963. You have had time to search your own mind as to
whether it occurred actually on the first of November, and what time
of the day it was Marina testified, and this is for the purpose of
refreshing your recollection if it does--I will read it back a little
bit, she was shown Lee's diary and the entry to which we called your
attention yesterday in that diary. She was asked, "Did you report to
your husband the fact of this visit November 1 with the FBI agent?"
She responded: "I didn't report it to him at once, but as soon as he
came for a weekend I told him about it."
Then she added voluntarily: "By the way, on that day he was due to
arrive--that is November 1.