Mr. JENNER. So when you read that article----

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. When I read that article, then the idea started

coming--arising in my imagination.

Mr. JENNER. Assuming the article was correct, that Oswald had said to

Marina that he was going to get some money from some source?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; that is right.

Mr. JENNER. But you knew of no such thing?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. JENNER. And you had no hint of it while you knew the Oswalds?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; when we knew the Oswalds, they were always in

dismal poverty.

Mr. JENNER. When you visited Dallas at the end of May 1963, before you

went to Haiti, did you see the Oswalds then?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; I don't think so. My wife will tell you

exactly. I don't think we had time to see anybody. We were just

packing. As I recall it, I did receive a card, a postcard, from

Oswald--I don't remember when--before we left the United States,

saying, "We are in New Orleans," and giving the address. And I lost

that card.

Mr. JENNER. Did you write a letter to Mrs. Hugh D. Auchincloss in

December of 1963?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; I don't remember the date, but I did write a

letter to her.

Mr. JENNER. From where?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. From Haiti.

Mr. JENNER. You expressed your sympathy to her with respect to the

death of her son-in-law, John Fitzgerald Kennedy?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Do you recall making this statement in the letter: "Since

we lived in Dallas permanently last year and before, we had the

misfortune to have met Oswald, and especially his wife Marina, sometime

last fall."

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. What do you mean by the misfortune to have met Oswald and

especially his wife Marina?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, now, since all this happened, it causes--it

is not pleasant to have known the possible assassin of the President

of the United States. And since he is dead, it doesn't matter. But we

still know Marina. We had the misfortune of knowing her--it caused us

no end of difficulty, from every point of view.

Mr. JENNER. That is what you meant by misfortune?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; and misfortune--also now, when you look the

situation over, it was just a misfortune that we helped them, that

is all. We shouldn't have done it. We should have known better. And,

actually,----

Mr. JENNER. Why should you have known better, Mr. De Mohrenschildt?

What was wrong with what you did?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Nothing wrong. But it is wrong that we were

charitable to a person who turned out to be an assassin, maybe.

Mr. JENNER. But you wouldn't have been charitable if you had any notion

he might have been. So what you did was a spontaneous, normal thing

of an outgoing person who wanted to help somebody. Is that a fair

statement?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; it is correct. But still I regret that I

have known him. I shouldn't have been so extroverted.

Mr. JENNER. Do you recall saying in your letter, "Both my wife and

I tried to help poor Marina, who could not speak any English, was

mistreated by her husband. She and the baby were malnourished and

sickly."

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is correct.

Mr. JENNER. That is all correct?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. And you told me all about that in some detail.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. You also said, if you will recall--"some time last fall we

heard that Oswald had beaten his wife cruelly, so we drove to their

miserable place and forcibly took Marina and the child away from the

character."

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right.

Mr. JENNER. And you have told me about that?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right.

Mr. JENNER. "Then he threatened me and my wife, but I did not take him

seriously."

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is exactly right.

Mr. JENNER. "Marina stayed with a family of some childless Russian

refugees for awhile, keeping her baby, but finally decided to return to

her husband." You have told me about that course of events.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right.

Mr. JENNER. And that is what you had in mind?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is exactly right.

Mr. JENNER. Then you comment, "It is really a shame that such crimes

occur in our times and in our country, but there is so much jealousy

for success, and the late President was successful in so many domains,

and there is so much desire for publicity on the part of all shady

characters, that assassinations are bound to occur. Better precautions

should have been taken." Now, let me ask you about the first two

sentences.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. In my opinion, if Lee Oswald did kill the

President, this might be the reason for it, that he was insanely

jealous of an extraordinarily successful man, who was young,

attractive, had a beautiful wife, had all the money in the world, and

was a world figure. And poor Oswald was just the opposite. He had

nothing. He had a bitchy wife, had no money, was a miserable failure in

everything he did.

Mr. JENNER. Well, do you have a view, perhaps, that this might be a

way of this man--of what he thought of raising himself up by his own

bootstraps?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Exactly. It made him a hero in his own mind--it

made him a hero in his own mind. He did not realize possibly that he

was doing it at the expense to the whole Nation. He might have had a

mental blackout.

Mr. JENNER. Then you make the comment "better precautions should have

been taken."

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is my very strong opinion, that better

precautions should he taken by whatever authorities were in Dallas at

the time to protect the President.

Now, I do not consider myself an exceedingly--a genius. But the very

first thought after we heard that some character was mixed up in the

assassination of the President, when we were listening to the radio in

the house of an employee of the American Embassy in Port au Prince, and

he mentioned that the name of the presumable assassin is something Lee,

Lee, Lee--and I said, "Could it be Lee Oswald?"

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