Mr. JENNER. As having occurred----

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. In September.

I have the impression it was in September. But it is, again, only a

recollection, because I remember that it was a very hot day--very

sunny, hot day. So it could be in October. And also in October we

started working on this campaign, cystic fibrosis campaign, and were

very busy.

But it might have been in October.

Mr. JENNER. Mrs. Ford's recollection is that Marina was at her

home--she came there on November 11, and left on November 17.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. It could be that.

Mr. JENNER. And this is while Marina was separated temporarily from her

husband?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Unless she had been twice at her home. I

think she was only once at her home. There were three homes--once at

Mellers, the Fords, and the third at the Rays, one after another, in

succession.

Mr. JENNER. Now, this is apparently part of that series of changes she

made when she left, herself--that is, this was not an occasion when you

took her?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; I think that is the occasion we took her--we

took her to the Mellers, and then she moved from them by herself--that

we had no knowledge of. How she moved or who took her from one house to

another, I do not know.

Mr. JENNER. You have a recollection there were two periods--one period

that you are talking about when you took her from the home, and then

another period when she left the home, herself?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That could be, very easily. But then it would

fit very well in my schedule--that would have been the second

time--because, at that time, we were not seeing the Oswalds. We were

busy on something else, Jeanne was working both in the store and at

the foundation, I was preparing my project, and we were very busy, and

didn't see anybody, practically, and especially the Oswalds.

October, November; I don't think we saw them at all in October,

November, December.

Mr. JENNER. Did I ask you about Betty MacDonald this morning, as to

whether she was at that February 1963 party?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Oh, yes; I think that is the librarian. The name

MacDonald sounds familiar to me. Is she Pierce's fiance? That is how I

remember her.

Mr. JENNER. I am just trying to get these two events. Marina recalls

when they lived on Elsbeth Street she had a dispute with Lee,

and--about her Russian friends, in which he said, "Well, if you like

your friends so much, then go ahead and live with them."

And she said that left her no choice, so she got in a cab and went over

to Anna Meller's house with the baby.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Oh, that is how she described it.

Mr. JENNER. She was there a week.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That was the second time? What month was it?

Mr. JENNER. I don't know.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, we took her there. But maybe she went there

for the second time, you see.

Mr. JENNER. Well, she may have forgotten you took her.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; maybe she forgot it. You know, we took all

the furniture also. I could not forget that--because my car was loaded.

You could practically feel the ground. I still have the same car in

Haiti today.

We had a tremendous load in our car. It took us the whole day to load

and unload and carry them.

Mr. JENNER. Now, she voiced the opinion that--she said Lee liked you.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I am sorry that he did, but, obviously he did.

Mr. JENNER. She said because you were a strong person. She is

expressing her opinion now, of course. But he only liked you among all

this group. He disliked Bouhe, he disliked Anna Meller.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That I am surprised, because Bouhe is very--a

person that you can like or dislike immediately. As to Mrs. Meller, I

am surprised, because she is very kind and a nice person.

Mr. JENNER. Well, this is Lee Oswald. That could possibly arise out of

the fact that Anna Meller befriended her when she left the household.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right.

Mr. JENNER. I don't know what the reason was.

But you have confirmed the fact that he didn't care for the people in

the Russian colony.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. He did not have any friends, you see. Maybe

he identified me not as a Russian, because I have not much Russian

blood in me anyway. Maybe he identified me as some sort of an

internationalist, American.

Mr. JENNER. Maybe you are.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I am trying to think of other friends that he

had. I cannot recall, myself, a friend of his, actually. I could not

say that. He could be my son in age, you see. He is just a kid for me,

with whom I played around. Sometimes I was curious to see what went on

in his head.

But I certainly would not call myself a friend of his.

Mr. JENNER. Well, that may well be.

But Marina, at least, expresses herself that way--that you "were the

only one who remained our friend."

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