Mr. JENNER. Did you notice----

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Because I am interested in medicine.

Mr. JENNER. Did you notice any tendencies--this may be rationalization,

of course, now that you are thinking back.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I would call him a stage below definite paranoia,

which means a highly neurotic individual. But even an M.D. would not

give you a right definition, or a right demarcation between the two.

Mr. JENNER. Did you have any feeling, while you knew him, and before

this tragic event occurred, that there was any mental aberration of

that nature?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I did not know anything about his background, you

see. I did not know anything about his previous background, except that

he had been in the Marine Corps, that he came from a poor family, that

he had lived in New Orleans. That is all I knew about him.

Mr. JENNER. I wanted to ask you about that. Was your discussion with

him as to his background, let us say, if I may use a conclusion myself,

superficial?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Very superficial, because I was not--I know

that type of person, I know his background. I know the people in

New Orleans. I lived there. I know people in Texas of the very low

category. I know the way they live. I could see clearly what type

of background he had. I did not have to ask him questions. And he

mentioned that while living in New Orleans, and very poorly, he started

going to the public library to read the Marxist books, all by himself.

That he was not induced by anybody. I said, "Who told you to read the

Marxist books"--that interested me. And he said, "Nobody, I went by

myself. I started studying it all by myself."

Mr. JENNER. He read those high-level books, but in your opinion he did

not understand them?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I would not understand them. I would not bother

reading them. I never read any Marxist books, because I know what they

contain.

Mr. JENNER. But you could read them with a critical mind, could you not?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; I could read with a critical mind. But that

is something that does not interest me. And I know that they are very

difficult. I know that they are written in a difficult manner, that

they are highly theoretical, and to me very boring.

Mr. JENNER. There is some intimation that at this party Oswald had

said several times that he liked Russia and he might go back. Did you

overhear any of that?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. JENNER. And from all your contact with him, had he ever expressed

that notion to you, that he might go back?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I do not recall exactly, but something comes to

my mind that he might have mentioned that, that if he does not get a

better job, or if he does not become successful, he might as well go

back to Russia.

Mr. JENNER. Well, this was really something said in despair.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. More or less--"After all, what is my life in

Russia"--I remember he said that, that his life in Russia was actually

better than here. But Marina never said that.

Mr. JENNER. She didn't?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. JENNER. Do you remember some people at that party by the name

of Mr. and Mrs. Daniel F. Sullivan of Lafayette, La., a divisional

geologist for Continental Oil Co.?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. JENNER. Was there any discussion at that party about the

possibility that Oswald might be a Russian agent?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I never heard that.

Mr. JENNER. And that this theory was thrown out because Oswald was

broke, and that it could not be that way, because Russia would not

permit one of its agents to be that penniless?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is an intelligent estimation, but I

certainly have not heard that.

Mr. JENNER. Any discussion there or speculation that there was

something peculiar in the fact that allegedly they had had little

trouble in getting Marina out of Russia?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That he had trouble getting her out?

Mr. JENNER. Relatively little.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is a question that always was sort of a

big question mark to me. Not being interested, I did not probe them.

But it always remained a question mark in my mind, how is it possible

for somebody to take a citizen of Soviet Russia so easily out of the

country. But I have known of other examples of it being done.

Mr. JENNER. Was there any discussion at any time while you knew the

Oswalds about any attempt to commit suicide?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. When he was in Russia, no; I don't remember

anything about that.

Mr. JENNER. Did you ever notice he had a scar on his left wrist?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; I didn't notice it.

Mr. JENNER. Did you ever note whether he was right or left handed?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Something vaguely I remember that he might be

left handed but I could not recall.

Mr. JENNER. This is pure vagueness on your part?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Very, very. My wife may recall that.

Mr. JENNER. You wouldn't want to express any opinion one way or the

other on it?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. JENNER. Did you ever discuss with him his experiences in Russia

with respect to hunting?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Never have.

Mr. JENNER. No discussions?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Or the use of any weapons or his right to have

weapons when he was in Russia?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I did not know even that he was interested in

weapons 'til the day--which probably you will ask me later on--Easter,

I think, when my wife saw his gun. I didn't know he was interested.

I didn't know he had the gun. I didn't know he was interested in

shooting or hunting. I didn't know he was a good shot or never had any

impression.

Mr. JENNER. Now that you have mentioned that we might as well cover

that fully in the record.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Tell me about that incident.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That incident is very clear in my mind.

Mr. JENNER. This was in 1963?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. In 1963, and the last time we saw them.

Mr. JENNER. It was the last time?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. The very last time we saw them.

Mr. JENNER. This was around Eastertime?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Around Eastertime.

Mr. JENNER. In April?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. In April. It was in the second apartment that

they had.

Mr. JENNER. That was on Neely Street?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. On Neely I think one block from the previous

place they used to live.

Mr. JENNER. Yes.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. And Jeanne told me that day, "Let's go and take a

rabbit for Oswald's baby."

Mr. JENNER. This was on Easter Sunday?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Easter day. I don't remember it was Easter

Sunday.

Mr. JENNER. Easter is always on Sunday.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; maybe it was the day before, the day after,

but I think it was on the holiday. Maybe my wife will remember the date

exactly. And so we drove over quite late in the evening and walked

up--I think they were asleep. They were asleep and we knocked at the

door and shouted, and Lee Oswald came down undressed, half undressed

you see, maybe in shorts, and opened the door and we told him that we

have the rabbit for the child. And it was a very short visit, you know.

We just gave the rabbit to the baby and I was talking to Lee while

Jeanne was talking to Marina about something which is immaterial which

I do not recall right now, and all of a sudden----

Mr. JENNER. Excuse me. Mr. Reporter, Jeanne is spelled J-e-a-n-n-e.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. And I think Oswald and I were standing near the

window looking outside and I was asking him "How is your job" or "Are

you making any money? Are you happy," some question of that type. All

of a sudden Jeanne who was with Marina in the other room told me "Look,

George, they have a gun here." And Marina opened the closet and showed

it to Jeanne, a gun that belonged obviously to Oswald.

Mr. JENNER. This was a weapon? Did you go in and look?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; I didn't look at the gun. I was still

standing. The closet was open. Jeanne was looking at it, at the gun,

and I think she asked Marina "what is that" you see. That was the sight

on the gun. "What is that? That looks like a telescopic sight." And

Marina said "That crazy idiot is target shooting all the time." So

frankly I thought it was ridiculous to shoot target shooting in Dallas,

you see, right in town. I asked him "Why do you do that?"

Mr. JENNER. What did he say?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. He said "I go out and do target shooting. I like

target shooting." So out of the pure, really jokingly I told him "Are

you then the guy who took a pot shot at General Walker?" And he smiled

to that, because just a few days before there was an attempt at General

Walker's life, and it was very highly publicized in the papers, and I

knew that Oswald disliked General Walker, you see. So I took a chance

and I asked him this question, you see, and I can clearly see his face,

you know.

He sort of shriveled, you see, when I asked this question.

Mr. JENNER. He became tense?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Became tense, you see, and didn't answer

anything, smiled, you know, made a sarcastic--not sarcastic, made a

peculiar face.

Mr. JENNER. The expression on his face?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right, changed the expression on his face.

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