Mr. JENNER. Whether they pay you or not----

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I have never been a member of any group of any

kind. My life was too busy, as you can see, in order to be involved in

anything like that.

Mr. JENNER. Now, we covered your two Yugoslav ventures, your Ghanian

venture--the time that you had the company when you were a young man in

Europe, traveled around Europe.

We covered all your employments in the United States, from the time you

came here in May of 1938.

I think we have reached the point of your great venture which you

started to tell us about, and I had you hold off--your trip down into

Mexico and the Central American countries--tell us about that in your

own words, how it came about, and what you did.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, I started explaining that already, that it

is not a new idea for me. I said before that 20 years before, Roderick

MacArthur and myself set out on a limited trip of this type, when we

were both young men in Mexico.

And I have always been interested in Mexico as a very rich country

mining wise, and I thought that it would be very interesting and

useful for me to take a trip along the old trails of the mining of

the Spaniards as they went through Mexico during the days of the

Conquistadors.

You see, the Spaniards went to Mexico for the purpose of finding mines,

and the routes they made in Mexico and through Central America are

all directed toward certainly logical prospects, certain mines. And I

started collecting through the years--I started collecting information

on routes of the Spaniards in Mexico.

But I never thought I would really be able to do it, until came the

time in 1960 when my boy died, and I was in very--practically out of

my mind, because this was my only son. And I said to hell with all

that--I had some money saved up, and I said I am going to stay away

from my work and from the civilized life for 1 year, and I am going to

follow the trails of the Spanish Conquistadors, all throughout Central

America, and possibly all the way to South America.

And to do it the hardest possible way, because I believe in physical

therapy for your mental problems.

And my wife, fortunately, also, loves the outdoors, and agreed with me

that that is something we should do.

We gave up our apartment, I gave up my office, and we set out from the

ranch on the border of Mexico and the United States.

Mr. JENNER. What ranch?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. This was--that is the ranch which belongs to a

friend of ours. It is called the--it is Piedras Negras. It is on the

Mexican side of the U.S. border. On the American side you have a little

town called Eagle Pass. On the Mexican side you have Piedras Negras.

There we have some very close friends who own a big ranch. Their name

is Tito and Conchita Harper. They have--they are half Mexican, half

Americans. They live on the ranch nearby, and in Piedras Negras.

By the way, when I was visiting them, at the time I was visiting them,

a few months before, we heard about the death of my boy, right in their

house. We were sitting in their house when there was the long distance

call from Canada that my boy had died. They are very, very close

friends. They also advised me that it would be a good thing for me to

take a trip like that, knowing my interest in Mexico and my interest in

the outdoor life.

And that is what we did. We started off at the first 200

kilometers--Tito took us in a plane to cross the first range, a very

difficult range, and the rest of the trip was made on foot, all the way

to the Panama Canal.

Mr. JENNER. All the way to where?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. The Panama Canal.

Mr. JENNER. Tell me what countries you passed through.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. We passed through the whole of Mexico, in the

longest trajectory you can have. Then the whole of Guatemala, the whole

of San Salvador--El Salvador, rather, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica,

and Panama.

And on the way there we stopped occasionally in towns, received our

mail, through the American Embassy and consulates, visited some of

the friends we have out there. In other words, we led a life close to

nature for a whole year.

Mr. JENNER. Were you in Mexico City during this trip?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; because our route kept us away from Mexico

City.

Mr. JENNER. At any time during that trip was Mikoyan in Mexico?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Oh, yes. That I have to tell this incident; that

is interesting. This is completely a different incident.

I went to Mexico City, I guess, with--a year before that, on behalf

of----

Mr. JENNER. Just a minute.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. This is another consulting job.

Mr. JENNER. When did you make your walking trip through Mexico?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That was the end of 1960 and 1961--all of 1961.

Mr. JENNER. That took about 8 months?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Almost a year.

Mr. JENNER. So you would return in the late fall of 1961?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. 1961.

Mr. JENNER. November, I believe.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; I remember that.

Mr. JENNER. Now, the occasion when Mikoyan was in Mexico was some other

occasion?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. A different occasion; yes.

Mr. JENNER. As long as we have raised it at this point, we might as

well complete it. Tell us about that.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. About this Mikoyan incident?

Mr. JENNER. Yes.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, I went to Mexico City on behalf of Texas

Eastern Corp., which is a gas company in Houston, which has a contract

with the Mexican Government for the purchase of gas. In other words,

this corporation is buying gas from Mexico at the border.

Mr. JENNER. We talk about gas here--we are talking about natural gas?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Natural gas; yes. And this contract was in

jeopardy--somebody else wanted to take it. And Texas Eastern, which is

the corporation, a very large powerplant corporation which has the Big

Inch from Texas to the east--through their vice president, John Jacobs,

asked me to go to Mexico, since I am familiar with the country, and

try to figure out in which way we can keep that contract. And while in

Mexico, we had to entertain all the officials of the Mexican Government.

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