Mr. JENNER. You have some----

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. You have to refresh my memory, because, as I say,

I never expected questions like this. Sometimes if I make a mistake, it

is not my intention.

Mr. JENNER. Well, I don't suggest you are ever making a mistake. You

are calling on your own recollection.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes, yes; I am doing my best recollection.

Mr. JENNER. At this particular time, did you have some, oh, let me call

it, tenuous connection with some movie business?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; that is right.

Mr. JENNER. Facts, Inc.?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right. That is another venture I went

into.

Mr. JENNER. This was 1941?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. What was it?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I have a distant cousin by the name of Baron

Maydell.

Mr. JENNER. Now, he was a controversial man, was he not?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. A very controversial person.

Mr. JENNER. In what sense?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. In the sense that some people considered him

pro-Nazi.

Mr. JENNER. He was accused of being, was he not, during this period, a

German spy?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No. I don't know that. But he had been an officer

in the Czarist Army. He was a White Russian. And having lost everything

through Communism, he saw the future of his return to Russia, back

to his estates, through German intervention. Like many other White

Russians. He possibly was more German than Russian--although he had

been a Russian citizen, officer of the Czarist Army, and so forth and

so on. A controversial person, no question about it. But I liked him.

And he offered me to learn something about the making of documentary

movies.

Mr. JENNER. Documentary?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes--which is Facts--what was it called? Film

Facts Incorporated.

Mr. JENNER. Film Facts I think is the name of it.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. And he had a very interesting movie there of the

Spanish revolution which he made. And this movie was shown all over

the United States and was backed by--this, again, is my recollection,

because it almost escaped from my mind. This movie was backed by quite

a number of people here. I remember most of them--by Grace, who is

president of Grace Lines today. So we decided with Maydell that we

could make another documentary movie on the resistance of Poland. This

is already--Poland had already been occupied. The movies were made

in Poland, I think, by Americans. I don't recall that exactly--by

Americans who were there during the occupation of Warsaw. And Maydell

had these movies in his possession, and we decided to make a movie for

the benefit of the Polish refugees.

Mr. JENNER. Resistance movement?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. And collected money to that effect, small

amounts of money from the sympathizers of Poland. To me it was actually

a very pleasant experience. I tried to do my best, number one, to make

some money; number two, to help the Polish cause.

So I went to the Polish Consulate, made arrangements for the consul to

be a sponsor of this movie. And we eventually made this movie, put it

together. It was about 45 minutes long--a very interesting movie, very

moving picture of the resistance. But financially it was not a success.

I don't even recall why. Either Maydell never gave me any money or

something. Anyway, we broke up our partnership.

The movie did make some money for the Polish resistance fund. I think

they used it showing around the country. The Polish organizations in

the United States used that movie to show and collect money for their

own purpose.

Mr. JENNER. Yes.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I remember the picture was called "Poland Will

Never Die." It was an assembly job.

Mr. JENNER. Now, your interest was a business interest?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; we also cut it together. We put the music

together. I learned a little bit about the technical end of it. We did

not own the studio, but we used the studio on the west side in New York

to have the technical facilities. Not very complicated. But we did it

all together.

Mr. JENNER. Was your grandfather born in this country?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; great grandfather, or great, great

grandfather.

Mr. JENNER. Sergius Von Mohrenschildt, born somewhere in Pennsylvania,

later went to Russia, entered the oil business?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I will be darned. I didn't know that.

Mr. JENNER. I am not saying it is so.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't remember. We have in the family

some Baltic Swede, an ancestor of ours, who was an officer of the

Independence Army. But his name was not Mohrenschildt. He was Baron

Hilienfelt. My brother knows of that, because he is more interested in

it. He became an officer in the Army of Independence, took the name

of Ross. He was an officer in the Army of Independence, and then went

back to Europe and died there. And somebody was telling me there was on

his tomb in Sweden, I went later on to Sweden, and I was curious and

inquired about it. It was said he was a lieutenant or captain in the

American Army of Independence. So my brother, I think, because of that,

being an older member of the family, had the right to be--what do you

call it--a descendant----

Mr. JENNER. Of the American Revolution?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right. He told me either he became a

member of it, or could become a member of it. I have to ask him about

that.

Mr. JENNER. All right.

Did you once describe your work in the insurance business as the

lousiest, stinkingest, sorriest type of business possible?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. And that wine company--was that the Vintage Wine, Inc.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; I also was doing some selling of wine in

Vintage Wine, Inc.

Mr. JENNER. On a commission?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. And you have mentioned the Shumaker Company.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Is the name Pierre Fraiss familiar to you?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; this is one of my best friends.

Mr. JENNER. Is he still alive?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. What business was he in then?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. He was then chief of export of Schumaker and

Company.

Mr. JENNER. Did Mr. Fraiss have any connection with the French

intelligence in the United States?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Did you become involved with him in that connection?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. When?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, it was just probably in 1941, I presume, in

1941.

Mr. JENNER. What did you do?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, we collected facts on people involved in

pro-German activity, and----

Mr. JENNER. This was anti-German activity?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. On behalf of the French intelligence in the United States?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; I was never an official member of it, you

see, but I worked with Pierre Fraiss, and it was my understanding that

it was French intelligence.

Mr. JENNER. And did that work take you around the country?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Tell us about it.

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, I think we went to Texas together again and

tried to contact the oil companies in regard to purchases of oil for

the French interests.

Mr. JENNER. Were the Germans also seeking to obtain oil?

Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; that is right.

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