THE FOURTH MILESTONE

1862-1877

I spent seven of the most delightful years of my life in Philadelphia.

What wonderful Gospel men were round me in the City of Brotherly Love at

this time--such men as Rev. Alfred Barnes, Rev. Dr. Boardman, Rev. Dr.

Berg, Rev. Charles Wadsworth, and many others equally distinguished. I

should probably never have left Philadelphia except that I was afraid I

would get too lazy. Being naturally indolent I wanted to get somewhere

where I would be compelled to work. I have sometimes felt that I was

naturally the laziest man ever born. I am afraid of indolence--as afraid

of indolence as any reformed inebriate is afraid of the wine cup. He

knows if he shall take one glass he will be flung back into inebriety. I

am afraid, if I should take one long pull of nothing to do, I should

stop forever.

My church in Philadelphia was a large one, and it was crowded with

lovely people. All that a congregation could do for a pastor's happiness

they were doing, and always had done.

We ministers living in Philadelphia at this time may have felt the need

for combating indolence, for we had a ministerial ball club, and twice a

week the clergymen of all denominations went out to the suburbs of the

city and played baseball. We went back to our pulpits, spirits

lightened, theology improved, and able to do better service for the

cause of God than we could have done without that healthful shaking up.

The reason so many ministers think everything is going to ruin is

because their circulation is lethargic, or their lungs are in need of

inflection by outdoor exercise. I have often wished since that this

splendid idea among the ministers in Philadelphia could have been

emulated elsewhere. Every big city should have its ministerial ball

club. We want this glorious game rescued from the roughs and put into

the hands of those who will employ it in recuperation.

My life in Philadelphia was so busy that I must have had very little

time for keeping any record or note-books. Most of my warmest and

life-long friendships were made in Philadelphia, however, and in the

retrospect of the years since I left there I have sometimes wondered how

I ever found courage to say good-bye.

I was amazed and gratified one day at receiving a call from four of the

most prominent churches at that time in America: Calvary Church of

Chicago, the Union Church of Boston, the First Presbyterian Church of

San Francisco, and the Central Church of Brooklyn. These invitations all

came simultaneously in February, 1869. The committees from these various

churches called upon me at my house in Philadelphia. It was a period of

anxious uncertainty with me. One morning, I remember, a committee from

Chicago was in one room, a committee from Brooklyn in another room of my

house, and a committee from my Philadelphia church in another room. My

wife [B] passed from room to room entertaining them to keep the three

committees from meeting. It would have been unpleasant for them to meet.

[B] _In 1863, Dr. Talmage married his second wife, Miss

Susan C. Whittemore, of Greenport, N.Y. They had five

children: May, Edith, Frank, Maud, and Daisy._

At this point my Syracuse remembrance of perplexity returned, and I

resolved to stay in Philadelphia unless God made it very plain that I

was to go and where I was to go. An engagement to speak that night in

Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, took me to the depot. I got on the train, my

mind full of the arguments of the three committees, and all a

bewilderment. I stretched myself out upon the seats for a sound sleep,

saying, "Lord, what wilt Thou have me to do? Make it plain to me when I

wake up." When I awoke I was entering Harrisburg, and as plainly as

though the voice had been audible God said to me, "Go to Brooklyn." I

went, and never have doubted that I did right to go. It is always best

to stay where you are until God gives you marching orders, and then move

on.

I succeeded the Rev. J.E. Rockwell in the Brooklyn Church, who resigned

only a month or so before I accepted the call. Mr. Charles Cravat

Converse, LL.D., an elder of the Church, presented the call to me, being

appointed to do so by the Board of Trustees and the Session, after I had

been unanimously elected by the congregation at a special meeting for

that purpose held on February 16, 1869. The salary fixed was $7,000,

payable monthly.

In looking over an old note-book I carried in that year I find, under

date of March 22, 1869, the word "installed" written in my own

handwriting. It was written in pencil after the service of installation

held in the church that Monday evening. The event is recorded in the

minutes of the regular meetings of the church as follows:

"Monday evening, March 22, the Rev. T. DeWitt Talmage having been

received as a member of the Presbytery of Nassau, was this evening

installed pastor of this church. The Rev. C.S. Pomeroy preached the

sermon and proposed the constitutional questions. Rev. Mr. Oakley

delivered the charge to the pastor, and Rev. Henry Van Dyke, D.D.,

delivered the charge to the people; and the services were closed with

the benediction by the pastor, and a cordial shaking of hands by the

people with their new pastor."

The old church stood on Schemerhorn Street, between Nevins and Power

Streets. It was a much smaller church community than the one I had left

in Philadelphia, but there was a glorious opportunity for work in it. I

remember hearing a minister of a small congregation complain to a

minister of a large congregation about the sparseness of attendance at

his church. "Oh," said the one of large audience, "my son, you will find

in the day of judgment that you had quite enough people for whom to be

held accountable."

My church in Brooklyn prospered. In about three months from the date of

my installation it was too small to hold the people who came there to

worship. This came about, not through any special demonstration of my

own superior gifts, but by the help of God and the persecution of

others.

During my pastorate in Brooklyn a certain group of preachers began to

slander me and to say all manner of lies about me; I suppose because

they were jealous of my success. These calumnies were published in every

important newspaper in the country. The result was that the New York

correspondents of the leading papers in the chief cities of the United

States came to my church on Sundays, expecting I would make counter

attacks, which would be good news. I never said a word in reply, with

the exception of a single paragraph.

The correspondents were after news, and, failing to get the sensational

charges, they took down the sermons and sent them to the newspaper.

Many times have I been maligned and my work misrepresented; but all such

falsehood and persecution have turned out for my advantage and enlarged

my work.

Whoever did escape it?

I was one summer in the pulpit of John Wesley, in London--a pulpit where

he stood one day and said: "I have been charged with all the crimes in

the calendar except one--that of drunkenness," and his wife arose in the

audience and said: "You know you were drunk last night."

I saw in a foreign journal a report of one of George Whitefield's

sermons--a sermon preached a hundred and twenty or thirty years ago. It

seemed that the reporter stood to take the sermon, and his chief idea

was to caricature it, and these are some of the reportorial interlinings

of the sermon of George Whitefield. After calling him by a nickname

indicative of a physical defect in the eye, it goes on to say: "Here the

preacher clasps his chin on the pulpit cushion. Here he elevates his

voice. Here he lowers his voice. Holds his arms extended. Bawls aloud.

Stands trembling. Makes a frightful face. Turns up the whites of his

eyes. Clasps his hands behind him. Clasps his arms around him, and hugs

himself. Roars aloud. Holloas. Jumps. Cries. Changes from crying.

Holloas and jumps again."

One would have thought that if any man ought to have been free from

persecution it was George Whitefield, bringing great masses of the

people into the kingdom of God, wearing himself out for Christ's sake:

and yet the learned Dr. Johnson called him a mountebank. Robert Hall

preached about the glories of heaven as no uninspired man ever preached

about them, and it was said when he preached about heaven his face shone

like an angel's, and yet good Christian John Foster writes of Robert

Hall, saying: "Robert Hall is a mere actor, and when he talks about

heaven the smile on his face is the reflection of his own vanity." John

Wesley stirred all England with reform, and yet he was caricatured by

all the small wits of his day. He was pictorialised, history says, on

the board fences of London, and everywhere he was the target for the

punsters; yet John Wesley stands to-day before all Christendom, his name

mighty. I have preached a Gospel that is not only appropriate to the

home circle, but is appropriate to Wall Street, to Broadway, to Fulton

Street, to Montague Street, to Atlantic Street, to every street--not

only a religion that is good for half past ten o'clock Sunday morning,

but good for half past ten o'clock any morning. This was one of the

considerations in my work as a preacher of the Gospel that extended its

usefulness. A practical religion is what we all need. In my previous

work at Belleville, N.J., and in Syracuse, I had absorbed other

considerations of necessity in the business of uniting the human

character with the church character.

Although the Central Presbyterian Church in Brooklyn of which I was

pastor was one of the largest buildings in that city then, it did not

represent my ideal of a church.

I learned in my village pastorates that the Church ought to be a great

home circle of fathers, mothers, brothers, and sisters. That would be a

very strange home circle where the brothers and sisters did not know

each other, and where the parents were characterised by frigidity and

heartlessness. The Church must be a great family group--the pulpit the

fireplace, the people all gathered around it. I think we sometimes can

tell the people to stay out by our church architecture. People come in

and find things angular and cold and stiff, and they go away never again

to come; when the church ought to be a great home circle.

I knew a minister of religion who had his fourth settlement. His first

two churches became extinct as a result of his ministry, the third

church was hopelessly crippled, and the fourth was saved simply by the

fact that he departed this life. On the other hand, I have seen

pastorates which continued year after year, all the time strengthening,

and I have heard of instances where the pastoral relation continued

twenty years, thirty years, forty years, and all the time the confidence

and the love were on the increase. So it was with the pastorate of old

Dr. Spencer, so it was with the pastorate of old Dr. Gardiner Spring, so

it was with the pastorate of a great many of those old ministers of

Jesus Christ, of whom the world was not worthy.

I saw an opportunity to establish in Brooklyn just such a church as I

had in my mind's eye--a Tabernacle, where all the people who wanted to

hear the Gospel preached could come in and be comfortable. I projected,

designed, and successfully established the Brooklyn Tabernacle within a

little over a year after preaching my first sermon in Brooklyn. The

church seated 3,500 people, and yet we were compelled to use the old

church to take care of all our active Christian work besides.

The first Brooklyn Tabernacle was, I believe, the most buoyant

expression of my work that I ever enjoyed. It drew upon all my energies

and resources, and as the sacred walls grew up towards the skies, I

prayed God that I might have the strength and spiritual energy to grow

with it.

Prayer always meets the emergency, no matter how difficult it may be.

That was the substantial backing of the first Brooklyn

Tabernacle--prayer. Prayer furnished the means as well as the faith that

was behind them. I was merely the promoter, the agent, of a company

organised in Heaven to perpetuate the Gospel of Christ. It was

considered a great thing to have done, and many were the reasons

whispered by the worldly and the envious and the orthodox, for its

success. Some said it was due to magnetism.

As a cord or rope can bind bodies together, there may be an invisible

cord binding souls. A magnetic man throws it over others as a hunter

throws a lasso. Some men are surcharged with this influence, and have

employed it for patriotism and Christianity and elevated purposes.

It is always a surprise to a great majority of people how churches are

built, how money for which the world has so many other uses can be

obtained to build churches. There are names of men and women whom I have

only to mention and they suggest at once not only great wealth, but

religion, generosity, philanthropy, such as Amos Laurence, James Lennox,

Peter Cooper, William E. Dodge, Miss Wolfe, Mrs. William Astor. A good

moral character can be accompanied by affluent circumstances.

In the '70's and '80's in Brooklyn and in New York there were merchants

who had prospered, but by Christian methods--merchants who took their

religion into everyday life. I became accustomed, Sabbath after Sabbath,

to stand before an audience of bargain-makers. Men in all

occupations--yet the vast majority of them, I am very well aware, were

engaged from Monday morning to Saturday night in the store. In many of

the families of my congregations across the breakfast table and the tea

table were discussed questions of loss and gain. "What is the value of

this? What is the value of that?" They would not think of giving

something of greater value for that which is of lesser value. They would

not think of selling that which cost ten dollars for five dollars. If

they had a property that was worth $15,000, they would not sell it for

$4,000. All were intelligent in matters of bargain-making.

But these were not the sort of men who made generous investments for

God's House. There was one that sort, however, among my earliest

remembrances, Arthur Tappen. There were many differences of opinion

about his politics, but no one who ever knew Arthur Tappen, and knew him

well, doubted his being an earnest Christian. Arthur Tappen was derided

in his day because he established that system by which we come to find

out the commercial standing of business men. He started that entire

system, was derided for it then; I knew him well, in moral character A1.

Monday mornings he invited to a room in the top of his storehouse in New

York the clerks of his establishment. He would ask them about their

worldly interests and their spiritual interests, then giving out a hymn

and leading in prayer he would give them a few words of good advice,

asking them what church they attended on the Sabbath, what the text was,

whether they had any especial troubles of their own.

Arthur Tappen, I have never heard his eulogy pronounced. I pronounce it

now. There were other merchants just as good--William E. Dodge in the

iron business, Moses H. Grinnell in the shipping business, Peter Cooper

in the glue business, and scores of men just as good as they were.

I began my work of enlarging and improving the Brooklyn Church almost

the week following my installation. My first vacation, a month, began on

June 25, 1869, the trustees of the church having signified and ordered

repairs, alterations and improvements at a meeting held that day, and

further suspending Sabbath services for four weeks. I spent part of my

vacation at East Hampton, L.I., going from there for two or three short

lecturing trips. I find that I can never rest over two weeks. More than

that wearies me. Of all the places I have ever known East Hampton is the

best place for quiet and recuperation.

I became acquainted with it through my brother-in-law, Rev. S.L.

Mershon. His first pastorate was at the Presbyterian Church in East

Hampton, where, as a young man, I preached some of my first sermons.

East Hampton is always home to me. When a boy in grammar-school and

college I used to visit my brother-in-law and his wife, my sister Mary.

Later in life I established a summer home there myself. I particularly

recall one incident of this month's vacation that has affected my whole

life. One day while resting at Sharon Springs, New York, walking in the

Park of that place, I found myself asking the question: "I wonder if

there is any special mission for me to execute in this world? If there

is, may God show it to me!"

There soon came upon me a great desire to preach the Gospel through the

secular printing-press. I realised that the vast majority of people,

even in Christian lands, never enter a church, and that it would be an

opportunity of usefulness infinite if that door of publication were

opened. And so I recorded that prayer in a blank book, and offered the

prayer day in and day out until the answer came, though in a way

different from that which I had expected, for it came through the

misrepresentation and persecution of enemies; and I have to record it

for the encouragement of all ministers of the Gospel who are

misrepresented, that if the misrepresentation be virulent enough and

bitter enough and continuous enough, there is nothing that so widens

one's field of usefulness as hostile attack, if you are really doing the

Lord's work. The bigger the lie told about me the bigger the demand to

see and hear what I really was doing. From one stage of sermonic

publication to another the work has gone on, until week by week, and for

about twenty-three years, I have had the world for my audience as no man

ever had. The syndicates inform me that my sermons go now to about

twenty-five millions of people in all lands. I mention this not in vain

boast, but as a testimony to the fact that God answers prayer. Would God

I had better occupied the field and been more consecrated to the work!

The following summer, or rather early spring, I requested an extension

of my vacation time, in order to carry out a plan to visit the "Old

World." As the trustees of the church considered that the trip might be

of value to the church as well as to myself, I was given "leave of

absence from pastoral duties" for three months' duty from June 18, 1870.

All that I could do had been done in the plans in constructing the new

Tabernacle. I could do nothing by staying at home.

I have crossed the Atlantic so often that the recollections of this

first trip to Europe are, at this writing, merely general. I think the

most terrific impression I received was my first sight of the ocean the

morning after we sailed, the most instructive were the ruins of church

and abbey and palaces. I walked up and down the stairs of Holyrood

Palace, once upon a time considered one of the wonders of the world, and

I marvelled that so little was left of such a wonderful place. Ruins

should be rebuilt.

The most spiritual impression I received was from the music of church

organs in the old world.

I stopped one nightfall at Freyburg, Switzerland, to hear the organ of

world-wide celebrity in that place. I went into the cathedral at

nightfall. All the accessories were favourable. There was only one light

in all the cathedral, and that a faint taper on the altar. I looked up

into the venerable arches and saw the shadows of centuries; and when the

organ awoke the cathedral awoke, and all the arches seemed to lift and

quiver as the music came under them. That instrument did not seem to be

made out of wood and metal, but out of human hearts, so wonderfully did

it pulsate with every emotion; now laughing like a child, now sobbing

like a tempest. At one moment the music would die away until you could

hear the cricket chirp outside the wall, and then it would roll up until

it seemed as if the surge of the sea and the crash of an avalanche had

struck the organ-pipes at the same moment. At one time that night it

seemed as if a squadron of saddened spirits going up from earth had met

a squadron of descending angels whose glory beat back the woe.

In Edinburgh I met Dr. John Brown, author of the celebrated "Rab and his

Friends." That one treatise gave him immortality and fame, and yet he

was taken at his own request to the insane asylum and died insane.

"What are you writing now, Dr. Brown?" I said to him in his study in

Edinburgh.

"Oh, nothing," he replied, "I never could write. I shall never try

again."

I saw on his face and heard in his voice that melancholy that so often

unhorsed him.

I went to Paris for the first time in this summer of 1870. It was during

the Franco-German war. I stood studying the exquisite sculpturing of the

gate of the Tuileries. Lost in admiration of the wonderful art of that

gate I knew not that I was exciting suspicion. Lowering my eyes to the

crowds of people I found myself being closely inspected by government

officials, who from my complexion judged me to be a German, and that for

some belligerent purpose I might be examining the gates of the palace.

My explanations in very poor French did not satisfy them, and they

followed me long distances until I reached my hotel, and were not

satisfied until from my landlord they found that I was only an

inoffensive American. Inoffensive Americans were quite as welcome in

Europe in 1870 as they are now. I was not curious of the signs I found

anywhere about me of aristocratic grandeur, of the deference paid to

lineage and ancient family name. I know in America some people look back

on the family line, and they are proud to see that they are descended

from the Puritans or the Huguenots, and they rejoice in that as though

their ancestors had accomplished a great thing to repudiate a Catholic

aristocracy.

I look back on my family line, and I see there such a mingling and

mixture of the blood of all nationalities that I feel akin to all the

world. I returned from my first visit to Europe more thankful than ever

for the mercy of having been born in America. The trip did me

immeasurable good. It strengthened my faith in the breadth and

simplicity of a broadminded religion. We must take care how we extend

our invitation to the Church, that it be understandable to everyone.

People don't want the scientific study of religion.

On Sunday morning, September 25, 1870, the new Tabernacle erected on

Schemerhorn Street was dedicated to the worship of Almighty God. It was

to my mind a common-sense church, as I had planned it to be. In many of

our churches we want more light, more room, more ventilation, more

comfort. Vast sums of money are expended on ecclesiastical structures,

and men sit down in them, and you ask a man how he likes the church: he

says, "I like it very well, but I can't hear." The voice of the preacher

dashes against the pillars. Men sit down under the shadows of the Gothic

arches and shiver, and feel they must be getting religion, or something

else, they feel so uncomfortable.

We want more common sense in the rearing of churches. There is no excuse

for lack of light when the heavens are full of it, no excuse for lack of

fresh air when the world swims in it. It ought to be an expression, not

only of our spiritual happiness, but of our physical comfort, when we

say: "How amiable are Thy tabernacles, O Lord God of Hosts! A day in

Thy courts is better than a thousand."

My dedication sermon was from Luke xiv. 23, "And the Lord said unto the

servants, go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come

in that my house may be filled." The Rev. T.G. Butter, D.D., offered the

dedicatory prayer. Other clergymen, whose names I do not recall, were

present and assisted at the services. The congregation in attendance was

very large, and at the close of the services a subscription and

collection were taken up amounting to $13,000, towards defraying the

expenses and cost of the church.

In less than a year later the congregation had grown so large and the

attendance of strangers so pressing that the new church was enlarged

again, and on September 10, 1871, the Tabernacle was rededicated with

impressive services. The sermon was preached by my friend the Rev.

Stephen H. Tyng, D.D. He was a great worker, and suffered, as many of us

in the pulpit do, from insomnia. He was the consecrated champion of

everything good, a constant sufferer from the lash of active work. He

often told me that the only encouragement he had to think he would sleep

at night was the fact that he had not slept the night before. Insomnia

may be only a big word for those who do not understand its effect. It

has stimulated intellectuality, and exhausted it. One of the greatest

English clergymen had a gas jet on each side of his bed, so that he

might read at nights when he could not sleep. Horace Greeley told me he

had not had a sound sleep in fifteen years. Charles Dickens understood

London by night better than any other writer, because not being able to

sleep he spent that time in exploring the city.

I preached at the evening service from the text in Luke xvi. 5: "How

much owest thou unto my Lord?" It was a wonderful day for us all. Enough

money was taken in by collections and subscriptions at the morning and

evening services to pay the floating debt of the church. We received

that one day $21,000.

I quote the following resolution made at a meeting in my study the next

Thursday evening of the Session, from the records of the Tabernacle:

"In regard to the payment of the floating debt of this church and

congregation, the Session adopted the following resolution, viz.:--

"In view of the manifest instance that God has heard the supplications

of this people regarding the floating debt of the Church, and so

directed their hearts as to accomplish the object, it is therefore

resolved that we set apart next Wednesday evening as a special season of

religious thanksgiving to God for his great goodness to us as a Church,

in granting unto us this deliverance."

I reverently and solemnly believe the new Tabernacle was built by

prayer.

My congregation with great munificence provided for all my wants, and so

I can speak without any embarrassment on the subject while I denounce

the niggardliness of many of the churches of Jesus Christ, keeping some

men, who are very apostles for piety and consecration, in circumstances

where they are always apologetic, and have not that courage which they

would have could they stand in the presence of people whom they knew

were faithful in the discharge of their financial duties to the

Christian Church. Alas, for those men of whom the world is not worthy!

In the United States to-day the salary of ministers averages less than

six hundred dollars, and when you consider that some of the salaries are

very large, see to what straits many of God's noblest servants are this

day reduced! A live church will look after all its financial interests

and be as prompt in the meeting of those obligations as any bank in any

city.

My church in Brooklyn prospered because it was a soul-saving church. It

has always been the ambition of my own church that it should be a

soul-saving church. Pardon for all sin! Comfort for all trouble! Eternal

life for all the dead!

Moral conditions in the cities of New York and Brooklyn were deplorably

bad during the first few years I went there to preach. There was an

onslaught of bad literature and stage immorality. For instance, there

was a lady who came forth as an authoress under the assumed name of

George Sand. She smoked cigars. She dressed like a man. She wrote in

style ardent and eloquent, mighty in its gloom, terrible in its

unchastity, vivid in its portraiture, damnable in its influence, putting

forth an evil which has never relaxed, but has hundreds of copyists. Yet

so much worse were many French books that came to America than anything

George Sand ever wrote, that if she were alive now she might be thought

almost a reformer. What an importation of unclean theatrical stuff was

brought to our shores at that time! And yet professors of religion

patronised such things. I remember particularly the arrival of a foreign

actress of base morals. She came intending to make a tour of the States,

but the remaining decency of our cities rose up and cancelled her

contracts, and drove her back from the American stage, a woman fit for

neither continent. I hope I was instrumental to some degree in her

banishment. We were crude in our morals then. I hope we are not merely

civilised in them to-day. I hope we understand how to live better than

we did then.

Scarcely a year after the final dedication of our Tabernacle in 1871 it

was completely burned, just before a morning Sabbath service in

December, 1872.

I remember that Sabbath morning. I was coming to the church, when I saw

the smoke against the sky. I was living in an outlying section of the

city. I had been absent for three weeks, and, as I saw that smoke, I

said to my wife: "I should not wonder if that is the Tabernacle"; at the

same time, this was said in pleasantry and not in earnest. As we came on

nearer where the church stood, I said quite seriously: "I shouldn't

wonder if it is the Tabernacle."

When I came within a few blocks, and I saw a good many people in

distress running across the street, I said: "It is the Tabernacle"; and

when we stood together in front of the burning house of God, it was an

awfully sad time. We had stood together through all the crises of

suffering, and we must needs build a church in the very hardest of

times.

To put up a structure in those days, and so large a structure and so

firm a structure as we needed, was a very great demand upon our

energies. The fact that we had to make that struggle in the worst

financial period was doubly hard.

It was a merciful providence that none of the congregation was in the

church at the time. It was an appalling situation. In spite of the best

efforts of the fire department, the building was in ruins in a few

hours. My congregation was in despair, but, in the face of trial, God

has always given me all but superhuman strength. In a thousand ways I

had been blessed; the Gospel I had preached could not stop then, I

knew, and while my people were completely discouraged I immediately

planned for a newer, larger, more complete Tabernacle. We needed more

room for the increasing attendance, and I realised that opportunity

again was mine.

We continued our services in the Academy of Music, in Brooklyn, while

the new Tabernacle was being built. Not for a minute did I relax my

energies to keep up the work of a practical religion. There were 300,000

people in Brooklyn who had never heard the Gospel preached, an army

worthy of Christian interest. There was room for these 300,000 people in

the churches of the city.

There was plenty of room in heaven for them.

An ingenious statistician, taking the statement made in Revelation xxi.

that the heavenly Jerusalem was measured and found to be twelve thousand

furlongs, and that the length and height and breadth of it are equal,

says that would make heaven in size nine hundred and forty-eight

sextillion, nine hundred and eighty-eight quintillion cubic feet; and

then reserving a certain portion for the court of heaven and the

streets, and estimating that the world may last a hundred thousand

years, he ciphers out that there are over five trillion rooms, each room

seventeen feet long, sixteen feet wide, fifteen feet high. But I have no

faith in the accuracy of that calculation. He makes the rooms too small.

From all I can read the rooms will be palatial, and those who have not

had enough room in this world will have plenty of room at the last. The

fact is that most people in this world are crowded, and though out on a

vast prairie or in a mountain district people may have more room than

they want, in most cases it is house built close to house, and the

streets are crowded, and the cradle is crowded by other cradles, and the

graves crowded in the cemetery by other graves; and one of the richest

luxuries of many people in getting out of this world will be the gaining

of unhindered and uncramped room. And I should not wonder if, instead of

the room that the statistician ciphered out as only seventeen feet by

sixteen, it should be larger than any of the rooms at Berlin, St. James,

or Winter Palace.

So we built an exceedingly large church. The new Tabernacle seated

comfortably 5,000 people. It was open on February 22, 1874, for worship,

and completed a few months later.

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