WOMAN IN POLITICS.

_Question_. What do you think of the influence of women in

politics?

_Answer_. I think the influence of women is always good in politics,

as in everything else. I think it the duty of every woman to

ascertain what she can in regard to her country, including its

history, laws and customs. Woman above all others is a teacher.

She, above all others, determines the character of children; that

is to say, of men and women.

There is not the slightest danger of women becoming too intellectual

or knowing too much. Neither is there any danger of men knowing

too much. At least, I know of no men who are in immediate peril

from that source. I am a firm believer in the equal rights of

human beings, and no matter what I think as to what woman should

or should not do, she has the same right to decide for herself that

I have to decide for myself. If women wish to vote, if they wish

to take part in political matters, if they wish to run for office,

I shall do nothing to interfere with their rights. I most cheerfully

admit that my political rights are only equal to theirs.

There was a time when physical force or brute strength gave pre-

eminence. The savage chief occupied his position by virtue of his

muscle, of his courage, on account of the facility with which he

wielded a club. As long as nations depend simply upon brute force,

the man, in time of war, is, of necessity, of more importance to

the nation than woman, and as the dispute is to be settled by

strength, by force, those who have the strength and force naturally

settle it. As the world becomes civilized, intelligence slowly

takes the place of force, conscience restrains muscle, reason enters

the arena, and the gladiator retires.

A little while ago the literature of the world was produced by men,

and men were not only the writers, but the readers. At that time

the novels were coarse and vulgar. Now the readers of fiction are

women, and they demand that which they can read, and the result is

that women have become great writers. The women have changed our

literature, and the change has been good.

In every field where woman has become a competitor of man she has

either become, or given evidence that she is to become, his equal.

My own opinion is that woman is naturally the equal of man and that

in time, that is to say, when she has had the opportunity and the

training, she will produce in the world of art as great pictures,

as great statues, and in the world of literature as great books,

dramas and poems as man has produced or will produce.

There is nothing very hard to understand in the politics of a

country. The general principles are for the most part simple. It

is only in the application that the complexity arises, and woman,

I think, by nature, is as well fitted to understand these things

as man. In short, I have no prejudice on this subject. At first,

women will be more conservative than men; and this is natural.

Women have, through many generations, acquired the habit of

submission, of acquiescence. They have practiced what may be called

the slave virtues--obedience, humility--so that some time will be

required for them to become accustomed to the new order of things,

to the exercise of greater freedom, acting in accordance with

perceived obligation, independently of authority.

So I say equal rights, equal education, equal advantages. I hope

that woman will not continue to be the serf of superstition; that

she will not be the support of the church and priest; that she will

not stand for the conservation of superstition, but that in the

east of her mind the sun of progress will rise.

_Question_. In your lecture on Voltaire you made a remark about

the government of ministers, and you stated that if the ministers

of the city of New York had to power to make the laws most people

would prefer to live in a well regulated penitentiary. What do

you mean by this?

_Answer_. Well, as a rule, ministers are quite severe. They have

little patience with human failures. They are taught, and they

believe and they teach, that man is absolutely master of his own

fate. Besides, they are believers in the inspiration of the

Scriptures, and the laws of the Old Testament are exceedingly

severe. Nearly every offence was punished by death. Every offence

was regarded as treason against Jehovah.

In the Pentateuch there is no pity. If a man committed some offence

justice was not satisfied with his punishment, but proceeded to

destroy his wife and children. Jehovah seemed to think that crime

was in the blood; that it was not sufficient to kill the criminal,

but to prevent future crimes you should kill his wife and babes.

The reading of the Old Testament is calculated to harden the heart,

to drive the angel of pity from the breast, and to make man a

religious savage. The clergy, as a rule, do not take a broad and

liberal view of things. They judge every offence by what they

consider would be the result if everybody committed the same offence.

They do not understand that even vice creates obstructions for

itself, and that there is something in the nature of crime the

tendency of which is to defeat crime, and I might add in this place

that the same seems to be true of excessive virtue. As a rule,

the clergy clamor with great zeal for the execution of cruel laws.

Let me give an instance in point: In the time of George III., in

England, there were two hundred and twenty-three offences punishable

with death. From time to time this cruel code was changed by Act

of Parliament, yet no bishop sitting in the House of Lords ever

voted in favor of any one of these measures. The bishops always

voted for death, for blood, against mercy and against the repeal

of capital punishment. During all these years there were some

twenty thousand or more of the established clergy, and yet, according

to John Bright, no voice was ever raised in any English pulpit

against the infamous criminal code.

Another thing: The orthodox clergy teach that man is totally

depraved; that his inclination is evil; that his tendency is toward

the Devil. Starting from this as a foundation, of course every

clergyman believes every bad thing said of everybody else. So,

when some man is charged with a crime, the clergyman taking into

consideration the fact that the man is totally depraved, takes it

for granted that he must be guilty. I am not saying this for the

purpose of exciting prejudice against the clergy. I am simply

showing what is the natural result of a certain creed, of a belief

in universal depravity, or a belief in the power and influence of

a personal Devil. If the clergy could have their own way they

would endeavor to reform the world by law. They would re-enact

the old statutes of the Puritans. Joy would be a crime. Love

would be an offence. Every man with a smile on his face would be

suspected, and a dimple in the cheek would be a demonstration of

depravity.

In the trial of a cause it is natural for a clergyman to start with

the proposition, "The defendant is guilty;" and then he says to

himself, "Let him prove himself innocent." The man who has not

been poisoned with the creed starts out with the proposition, "The

defendant is innocent; let the State prove that he is guilty."

Consequently, I say that if I were defending a man whom I knew to

be innocent, I would not have a clergyman on the jury if I could

help it.

--_New York Advertiser_, December 24, 1893.

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