POLITICS AND THEOLOGY.

_Question_. What is your opinion of Brewster's administration?

_Answer_. I hardly think I ought to say much about the administration

of Mr. Brewster. Of course many things have been done that I

thought, and still think, extremely bad; but whether Mr. Brewster

was responsible for the things done, or not, I do not pretend to

say. When he was appointed to his present position, there was

great excitement in the country about the Star Route cases, and

Mr. Brewster was expected to prosecute everybody and everything to

the extent of the law; in fact, I believe he was appointed by reason

of having made such a promise. At that time there were hundreds

of people interested in exaggerating all the facts connected with

the Star Route cases, and when there were no facts to be exaggerated,

they made some, and exaggerated them afterward. It may be that

the Attorney-General was misled, and he really supposed that all

he heard was true. My objection to the administration of the

Department of Justice is, that a resort was had to spies and

detectives. The battle was not fought in the open field. Influences

were brought to bear. Nearly all departments of the Government

were enlisted. Everything was done to create a public opinion in

favor of the prosecution. Everything was done that the cases might

be decided on prejudice instead of upon facts.

Everything was done to demoralize, frighten and overawe judges,

witnesses and jurors. I do not pretend to say who was responsible,

possibly I am not an impartial judge. I was deeply interested at

the time, and felt all of these things, rather than reasoned about

them.

Possibly I cannot give a perfectly unbiased opinion. Personally,

I have no feeling now upon the subject.

The Department of Justice, in spite of its methods, did not succeed.

That was enough for me. I think, however, when the country knows

the facts, that the people will not approve of what was done. I

do not believe in trying cases in the newspapers before they are

submitted to jurors. That is a little too early. Neither do I

believe in trying them in the newspapers after the verdicts have

been rendered. That is a little too late.

_Question_. What are Mr. Blaine's chances for the presidency?

_Answer_. My understanding is that Mr. Blaine is not a candidate

for the nomination; that he does not wish his name to be used in

that connection. He ought to have been nominated in 1876, and if

he were a candidate, he would probably have the largest following;

but my understanding is, that he does not, in any event, wish to

be a candidate. He is a man perfectly familiar with the politics

of this country, knows its history by heart, and is in every respect

probably as well qualified to act as its Chief Magistrate as any

man in the nation. He is a man of ideas, of action, and has positive

qualities. He would not wait for something to turn up, and things

would not have to wait long for him to turn them up.

_Question_. Who do you think will be nominated at Chicago?

_Answer_. Of course I have not the slightest idea who will be

nominated. I may have an opinion as to who ought to be nominated,

and yet I may be greatly mistaken in that opinion. There are

hundreds of men in the Republican party, any one of whom, if elected,

would make a good, substantial President, and there are many

thousands of men about whom I know nothing, any one of whom would

in all probability make a good President. We do not want any man

to govern this country. This country governs itself. We want a

President who will honestly and faithfully execute the laws, who

will appoint postmasters and do the requisite amount of handshaking

on public occasions, and we have thousands of men who can discharge

the duties of that position. Washington is probably the worst

place to find out anything definite upon the subject of presidential

booms. I have thought for a long time that one of the most valuable

men in the country was General Sherman. Everybody knows who and

what he is. He has one great advantage--he is a frank and outspoken

man. He has opinions and he never hesitates about letting them be

known. There is considerable talk about Judge Harlan. His dissenting

opinion in the Civil Rights case has made every colored man his

friend, and I think it will take considerable public patronage to

prevent a good many delegates from the Southern States voting for

him.

_Question_. What are your present views on theology?

_Answer_. Well, I think my views have not undergone any change

that I know of. I still insist that observation, reason and

experience are the things to be depended upon in this world. I

still deny the existence of the supernatural. I still insist that

nobody can be good for you, or bad for you; that you cannot be

punished for the crimes of others, nor rewarded for their virtues.

I still insist that the consequences of good actions are always

good, and those of bad actions always bad. I insist that nobody

can plant thistles and gather figs; neither can they plant figs

and gather thistles. I still deny that a finite being can commit

an infinite sin; but I continue to insist that a God who would

punish a man forever is an infinite tyrant. My views have undergone

no change, except that the evidence of that truth constantly

increases, and the dogmas of the church look, if possible, a little

absurder every day. Theology, you know, is not a science. It

stops at the grave; and faith is the end of theology. Ministers

have not even the advantage of the doctors; the doctors sometimes

can tell by a post-mortem examination whether they killed the man

or not; but by cutting a man open after he is dead, the wisest

theologians cannot tell what has become of his soul, and whether

it was injured or helped by a belief in the inspiration of the

Scriptures. Theology depends on assertion for evidence, and on

faith for disciples.

--_The Tribune_, Denver, Colorado, January 17, 1886.

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