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_Question_. In view of all this, where do you think the presidential

candidate will come from?

_Answer_. From the West.

_Question_. Why so?

_Answer_. The South and East must compromise. Both can trust the

West. The West represents the whole country. There is no

provincialism in the West. The West is not old enough to have the

prejudice of section; it is too prosperous to have hatred, too

great to feel envy.

_Question_. You do not seem to think that Arthur has a chance?

_Answer_. No Vice-President was ever made President by the people.

It is natural to resent the accident that gave the Vice-President

the place. They regard the Vice-President as children do a

stepmother. He is looked upon as temporary--a device to save the

election--a something to stop a gap--a lighter--a political raft.

He holds the horse until another rider is found. People do not

wish death to suggest nominees for the presidency. I do not believe

it will be possible for Mr. Arthur, no matter how well he acts, to

overcome this feeling. The people like a new man. There is some

excitement in the campaign, and besides they can have the luxury

of believing that the new man is a great man.

_Question_. Do you not think Arthur has grown and is a greater

man than when he was elected?

_Answer_. Arthur was placed in very trying circumstances, and, I

think, behaved with great discretion. But he was Vice-President,

and that is a vice that people will not pardon.

_Question_. How do you regard the situation in Ohio?

_Answer_. I hear that the Republicans are attacking Hoadly, saying

that he is an Infidel. I know nothing about Mr. Hoadly's theological

sentiments, but he certainly has the right to have and express his

own views. If the Republicans of Ohio have made up their minds to

disfranchise the Liberals, the sooner they are beaten the better.

Why should the Republican party be so particular about religious

belief? Was Lincoln an orthodox Christian? Were the founders of

the party--the men who gave it heart and brain--conspicuous for

piety? Were the abolitionists all believers in the inspiration of

the Bible? Is Judge Hoadly to be attacked because he exercises

the liberty that he gives to others? Has not the Republican party

trouble enough with the spirituous to let the spiritual alone? If

the religious issue is made, I hope that the party making it will

be defeated. I know nothing about the effect of the recent decision

of the Supreme Court of Ohio. It is a very curious decision and

seems to avoid the Constitution with neatness and despatch. The

decision seems to rest on the difference between the words tax and

license--_I. e._, between allowing a man to sell whiskey for a tax

of one hundred dollars or giving him a license to sell whiskey and

charging him one hundred dollars. In this, the difference is in

the law instead of the money. So far all the prohibitory legislation

on the liquor question has been a failure. Beer is victorious,

and Gambrinus now has Olympus all to himself. On his side is the

"bail"--

_Question_. But who will win?

_Answer_. The present indications are favorable to Judge Hoadly.

It is an off year. The Ohio leaders on one side are not in perfect

harmony. The Germans are afraid, and they generally vote the

Democratic ticket when in doubt. The effort to enforce the Sunday

law, to close the gardens, to make one day in the week desolate

and doleful, will give the Republicans a great deal of hard work.

_Question_. How about Illinois?

_Answer_. Republican always. The Supreme Court of Illinois has

just made a good decision. That Court decided that a contract made

on Sunday can be enforced. In other words, that Sunday is not holy

enough to sanctify fraud. You can rely on a State with a Court

like that. There is very little rivalry in Illinois. I think that

General Oglesby will be the next Governor. He is one of the best

men in that State or any other.

_Question_. What about Indiana?

_Answer_. In that State I think General Gresham is the coming man.

He was a brave soldier, an able, honest judge, and he will fill

with honor any position he may be placed in. He is an excellent

lawyer, and has as much will as was ever put in one man. McDonald

is the most available man for the Democrats. He is safe and in

every respect reliable. He is without doubt the most popular man

in his party.

_Question_. Well, Colonel, what are you up to?

_Answer_. Nothing. I am surrounded by sand, sea and sky. I listen

to music, bathe in the surf and enjoy myself. I am wondering why

people take interest in politics; why anybody cares about anything;

why everybody is not contented; why people want to climb the greased

pole of office and then dodge the brickbats of enemies and rivals;

why any man wishes to be President, or a member of Congress, or in

the Cabinet, or do anything except to live with the ones he loves,

and enjoy twenty-four hours every day. I wonder why all New York

does not come to Long Beach and hear Schreiner's Band play the

music of Wagner, the greatest of all composers. Finally, in the

language of Walt Whitman, "I loaf and invite my soul."

--_The Herald_, New York, July 1, 1883.

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