Mr. LIEBELER. Did Mr. Einspruch tell you he had discussed this question
with some representatives of the President's Commission?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did he tell you what that conversation was about?
Mrs. ODIO. He told me that they had talked about an hour and a half
about this whole thing, and he told them that he had already told me
the whole facts of the thing, and he said let's not mention it any
more. You know what we discussed. Don't be afraid.
Mr. LIEBELER. Are you still seeing Dr. Einspruch?
Mrs. ODIO. No; I am through with therapy. He left.
Mr. LIEBELER. He is no longer in Dallas?
Mrs. ODIO. No; he left for Philadelphia for the U.S. Naval Hospital.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you tell Dr. Einspruch that you had seen Oswald in
more than one anti-Castro Cuban meeting?
Mrs. ODIO. No; I don't think so, because I have never seen him before
except the day he came to the door.
Mr. LIEBELER. You have never seen him since?
Mrs. ODIO. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. You told us before that you had a fainting spell after
you heard about the assassination. Would you tell us about that, please?
Mrs. ODIO. Well, I had been having fainting spells all the past year. I
would pass out for hours, and this was part of my emotional problems.
I was doing quite well except that I had come back from lunch, and I
cannot deny that the news was a great shock to me, and I did pass out.
I was taken in an ambulance to a hospital in Irving.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you pass out as soon as you had heard that the
President had been shot?
Mrs. ODIO. No; when I started thinking about it.
Mr. LIEBELER. Had you heard that Oswald was involved in it before you
passed out?
Mrs. ODIO. Can I say something off the record?
Mr. LIEBELER. Yes.
(Witness talks off the record.)
Mr. LIEBELER. At this point, let's go back on the record. You indicated
that you thought perhaps the three men who had come to your apartment
had something to do with the assassination?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And you thought of that before you had the fainting
spell?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes. Of course, I have "psychiatric thinking." My
psychiatrist says I have psychiatric thinking. I mean, I can perceive
things very well.
Mr. LIEBELER. What kind of thinking?
Mrs. ODIO. He says I have tremendous intuition about things and
psychiatric thinking, which has helped me many times. So immediately,
for some reason, in my mind, I established a connection between the
two greasy men that had come to my door and the conversation that the
Cubans should have killed President Kennedy, and I couldn't believe it.
I was so upset about it. So probably the lunch had something to do with
it, too, and I was so upset, but that is probably why I passed out.
Mr. LIEBELER. Had you heard the name Oswald before you passed out?
Mrs. ODIO. No, sir. It was only the connection.
Mr. LIEBELER. You had made the connection in your mind between these
three men that came to your apartment, and the assassination?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Primarily because of the remarks they had made about how
the Cubans should have assassinated President Kennedy because of the
Bay of Pigs situation, is that correct?
Mrs. ODIO. That's right.
Mr. LIEBELER. You had not seen any pictures of Oswald or heard his name
prior to the time of your passing out?
Mrs. ODIO. No; I don't recall--maybe you could tell me what the exact
time they mentioned by the radio the name of the suspect. They spoke of
a suspect all the time, but they did not mention any name. And I think
I came out about 8 o'clock that night. They gave me a shot, so I did
not know any name until that night.
Mr. LIEBELER. What time did you pass out?
Mrs. ODIO. I came back from lunch about 5 minutes before 1 o'clock,
because we had to punch the clock at 1, and by 1:30 we knew the
President was dead, and we all decided to leave, and it was about 10
minutes to 2 that we walked out of the office, and I think I passed out
back in the warehouse.
Mr. LIEBELER. Just after you left the office?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. So it would have been sometime before 2 o'clock or right
after?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did these men indicate that they had all come from New
Orleans together?
Mrs. ODIO. I am pretty sure that is what he said. Either that they had
been, or that they had just come. I cannot be sure of either one, but
they had been in New Orleans, or had just come from New Orleans.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would you recognize these men again if you saw their
pictures, do you think?
Mrs. ODIO. I think I could recognize one of them.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you think they definitely look like Cubans?
Mrs. ODIO. Well, this is my opinion. They looked very much like
Mexicans. But I might be wrong at that, because I don't remember any
Mexican accent. But the color of Mexicans, when I am referring to
greasy, that kind of complexion, that is what I mean.
Mr. LIEBELER. When did you first become aware of the fact that this man
who had been at your apartment was the man who had been arrested in
connection with the assassination?
Mrs. ODIO. It was immediately.
Mr. LIEBELER. As soon as you saw his picture?
Mrs. ODIO. Immediately; I was so sure.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any doubt about it?
Mrs. ODIO. I don't have any doubts.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any doubt about it then?
Mrs. ODIO. I kept saying it can't be to myself; it just can't be. I
mean it couldn't be, but when my sister walked into the hospital and
she said, "Sylvia, have you seen the man?" And I said, "Yes." And she
said, "That was the man that was at the door of my house." So I had no
doubts then.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would you recognize this man's voice?
Mrs. ODIO. I don't know. I am not sure.
Mr. LIEBELER. I show you a photograph that has been marked as Bringuier
Exhibit No. 1, and ask you if you can identify anybody in that
photograph?
Mrs. ODIO. That is Oswald.
Mr. LIEBELER. With the X?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you recognize anybody else in the picture?
Mrs. ODIO. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. I specifically call your attention to the man standing to
Oswald's right, the second man behind him, who is facing the camera and
has in his hand some leaflets.
Mrs. ODIO. Does he have some glasses on?
Mr. LIEBELER. The man that I just described?
Mrs. ODIO. Does he have any glasses?
Mr. LIEBELER. Let me see the picture.
Mrs. ODIO. He has the same build that that man has in the back.
Mr. LIEBELER. He has the same build?
Mrs. ODIO. A lot of hair here [pointing to the right temple].
Mr. LIEBELER. You are pointing to this man here?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. You say that his hair appeared to be pulled back in some
way?
Mrs. ODIO. One of them, Leopoldo, or the other one. One has very thick
hair.
Mr. LIEBELER. You are describing Leopoldo?
Mrs. ODIO. He had hair in front, but he has it pushed back in here.
Mr. LIEBELER. Like sort of a bald spot in his front?
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Excuse me just a minute, I will be back. Now, you have
indicated that the individual standing immediately behind Oswald and
to his left, actually in front of the door of this building might look
something like one of the men that was in your apartment?
Mrs. ODIO. That's right. That height and that tall.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now, what about the man standing immediately next to him,
so we have in the picture starting from the right, a head, and then a
man standing in the opposite direction from Oswald, and then we have
Oswald, and then we have the individual that you have just referred to
about his pushed back hair, or the bald spot in the front, and then we
have another man who has a group of leaflets in his hand.
Mrs. ODIO. He looks familiar, but I don't think that was one of the men
I saw there at the door. I don't know, Cubans sometimes have the same
physique and everything, the narrowness of the shoulders. I mean the
back looks something like this man I am telling you about.
Mr. LIEBELER. But you are unable to identify positively anybody else in
the picture other than Oswald?
Mrs. ODIO. No; that's correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now, I show you a picture that has been marked Pizzo
Exhibit No. 453-B, which appears to show a front view of the man with
the bald spot, and I ask you if you recognize him as one of the men
that was with Oswald in the apartment.
Mrs. ODIO. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. Are you sure that it was not, or you are unable to say?
Mrs. ODIO. No; that man was thinner and a little taller than that
picture.