Mrs. GIBSON. Is this before he stayed at the YMCA? This is before,
isn't it?
Mr. JENNER. Yes. To help you in that respect, he stayed at the YMCA
October 15 through October 19, 1962.
Mrs. GIBSON. He might have popped in. I don't recall whether he did or
not.
Mr. JENNER. Now, during that period of time, from that Sunday to
October 8, had Marina stayed with you?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't believe so.
Mr. JENNER. You do recall Lee Oswald being in Fort Worth at the YMCA,
however, do you?
Mrs. GIBSON. In Fort Worth?
Mr. JENNER. I mean in Dallas.
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; we took him there.
Mr. JENNER. You did take him to the YMCA?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. All right. Now, that was the 15th of October?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. 1962. Where was Marina then?
Mrs. GIBSON. She might have been with us at the time.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall whether you went to Fort Worth and picked him
up and took him to the YMCA?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't believe we did.
Mr. JENNER. Give me your best recollection of that circumstance.
Mrs. GIBSON. All I can remember is letting him off at the YMCA. I am
almost positive we wouldn't go to Fort Worth, though, to pick him up.
No; I don't believe so.
Mr. JENNER. That was a Monday.
Mrs. GIBSON. It was the afternoon when we dropped him at the Y.
Mr. JENNER. And you have no present recollection where you picked him
up, whether----
Mrs. GIBSON. No.
Mr. JENNER. Whether he had come to your house or what the circumstances
were?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; I sure don't. I think he might have come to our house,
but I am not sure.
Mr. JENNER. Did Marina stay with you during this October period at all?
Mrs. GIBSON. I think she stayed with us the time that he was in the
YMCA.
Mr. JENNER. That is?
Mrs. GIBSON. I think she stayed with us about 5 days.
Mr. JENNER. That is 5 days?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't believe she stayed with us the full time, no.
Mr. JENNER. But she did stay with you during a period?
Mrs. GIBSON. A few; yes.
Mr. JENNER. Do you have a recollection of how she got there, whether
you went or your husband went and picked her up and brought her to your
home or whether Lee brought her?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't believe Lee brought her. I think it would
be more--it would be normal to assume, I don't remember this, that
my stepmother or my father must have brought her, because I know we
didn't. I don't recall picking her up at all.
Mr. JENNER. But she stayed with you then, you think, during the period
that he was at the YMCA?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Now, did Lee visit at your home while she was there during
this YMCA period?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall whether your husband Gary went over to the
YMCA and picked him up and brought him to your home?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't think so. I think he came by bus, or walked.
That was possible, too. It wasn't that far.
Mr. JENNER. Would you locate your apartment at 3519 Fairmont with
respect to the location of the Dallas YMCA. That was downtown?
Mrs. GIBSON. Well, it was almost downtown. I believe it was on Maple
Avenue or very near Maple Avenue.
Mr. JENNER. That is, the YMCA was?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; and Maple Avenue, we were only one block off of Maple
Avenue. We ran parallel with Maple, Fairmont did, and we were only 1
block off of Maple, and I'd say it was, oh, maybe 12 blocks from the
YMCA.
Mr. JENNER. An easy walk?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; 12 or 14, maybe farther, but it was not a real
long walk. It is possible to walk the distance. Bus service was very
frequent and very easy to get.
Mr. JENNER. Now, did you become aware, you and your husband, of the
fact that Lee obtained a position at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall on the 12th
of October? That is while he was at the YMCA, he had already obtained
this position and had begun to work at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall?
Mrs. GIBSON. He began to work there while he was at the Y?
Mr. JENNER. He went to work on the 12th of October 1962.
Mrs. GIBSON. Oh my goodness. Well, it is possible that we knew this. I
know, I remember that he was employed there because I remember he used
to tell Gary how he liked the job, how that interested him.
Now, when I thought he was employed there I don't know. I remember
when he was at the Y that he was looking for a place to live in the
Dallas-Oak Cliff area.
Mr. JENNER. Did you or your ex-husband Gary or both of you help him to
look?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I believe one evening we went out with them and
looked over the prospective places, places that we knew of, the place
where we used to live--and Worthington, and just in the general
low-rent area which would be accessible to where he was going to be
working.
Mr. JENNER. So that you knew at that time where he was working or going
to work?
Mrs. GIBSON. We knew the location of the place where he was working.
Now, I am not sure if we knew that he was working already or if we
thought he was still unemployed, not unemployed but already employed
but not working yet.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall Mrs. Hall having been involved in an
automobile accident?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. That was in October, was it not, 1962?
Mrs. GIBSON. I don't know what the month was, but I imagine it was. It
must have been in the latter part of October.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall Marina residing with Mrs. Hall?
Mrs. GIBSON. She was with Mrs. Hall before the accident and after the
accident and while Mrs. Hall was in the hospital she lived at the house.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall also that Mrs. Hall, after she returned from
the hospital, went to New York City?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I do.
Mr. JENNER. And that while she was in New York City, that Marina stayed
at her home also?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; she did.
Mr. JENNER. Do you know whether during that period Lee Oswald stayed at
the Halls'?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; he did. I believe, while Mrs. Hall was in the
hospital; he stayed with Marina while she was alone for 2, 3, or 4
days, something like that. He was there off and on. He spent quite a
few nights there, I know this.
Mr. JENNER. Were there any occasions when you and your husband or
either of you were at the Halls' when Oswald was there?
Mrs. GIBSON. I believe we took him to Fort Worth once to visit, and we
stayed for supper, and Mrs. Hall was there and she cooked us supper.
This is before her accident, and Alex was there and Marina and Gary and
myself.
Mr. JENNER. This is the occasion to which you earlier made a reference,
is it, or had you done so?
Mrs. GIBSON. It was the occasion where Alex and Lee got into an
argument; yes. And this was prior to Mrs. Hall's accident. We stayed
until fairly late in the evening. I can't remember if we brought Lee
back with us or if he spent the night. It would seem logical, I think
we brought Lee back with us.
Mr. JENNER. You brought him back to where?
Mrs. GIBSON. To Dallas.
Mr. JENNER. To where in Dallas?
Mrs. GIBSON. I don't know. I can't remember.
Mr. JENNER. This was before he stayed at the YMCA?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; this was after.
Mr. JENNER. This was after Mrs. Hall returned from the hospital?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; this was before her accident. This is while Marina was
there.
Mr. JENNER. To help orient you, she was in the hospital from the 18th
of October 1962 to the 26th of October 1962.
Mrs. GIBSON. This is before her accident. I think only a couple of days
before her accident or a day before, because I remember how shocked I
was when I heard that she had been in an accident. It was only a day or
two before, so where would he have been living, at the Y, wouldn't he,
at that time?
Mr. JENNER. He would be at the Y.
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. He was at the Y on the 15th.
Mrs. GIBSON. I imagine that is where we dropped him then.
Mr. JENNER. Do you know of your own personal knowledge the fact that
Lee stayed with Marina at the Halls' from time to time?