Mr. JENNER. You have mentioned----

Mrs. GIBSON. Is this before he stayed at the YMCA? This is before,

isn't it?

Mr. JENNER. Yes. To help you in that respect, he stayed at the YMCA

October 15 through October 19, 1962.

Mrs. GIBSON. He might have popped in. I don't recall whether he did or

not.

Mr. JENNER. Now, during that period of time, from that Sunday to

October 8, had Marina stayed with you?

Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't believe so.

Mr. JENNER. You do recall Lee Oswald being in Fort Worth at the YMCA,

however, do you?

Mrs. GIBSON. In Fort Worth?

Mr. JENNER. I mean in Dallas.

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; we took him there.

Mr. JENNER. You did take him to the YMCA?

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. All right. Now, that was the 15th of October?

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. 1962. Where was Marina then?

Mrs. GIBSON. She might have been with us at the time.

Mr. JENNER. Do you recall whether you went to Fort Worth and picked him

up and took him to the YMCA?

Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't believe we did.

Mr. JENNER. Give me your best recollection of that circumstance.

Mrs. GIBSON. All I can remember is letting him off at the YMCA. I am

almost positive we wouldn't go to Fort Worth, though, to pick him up.

No; I don't believe so.

Mr. JENNER. That was a Monday.

Mrs. GIBSON. It was the afternoon when we dropped him at the Y.

Mr. JENNER. And you have no present recollection where you picked him

up, whether----

Mrs. GIBSON. No.

Mr. JENNER. Whether he had come to your house or what the circumstances

were?

Mrs. GIBSON. No; I sure don't. I think he might have come to our house,

but I am not sure.

Mr. JENNER. Did Marina stay with you during this October period at all?

Mrs. GIBSON. I think she stayed with us the time that he was in the

YMCA.

Mr. JENNER. That is?

Mrs. GIBSON. I think she stayed with us about 5 days.

Mr. JENNER. That is 5 days?

Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't believe she stayed with us the full time, no.

Mr. JENNER. But she did stay with you during a period?

Mrs. GIBSON. A few; yes.

Mr. JENNER. Do you have a recollection of how she got there, whether

you went or your husband went and picked her up and brought her to your

home or whether Lee brought her?

Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't believe Lee brought her. I think it would

be more--it would be normal to assume, I don't remember this, that

my stepmother or my father must have brought her, because I know we

didn't. I don't recall picking her up at all.

Mr. JENNER. But she stayed with you then, you think, during the period

that he was at the YMCA?

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Now, did Lee visit at your home while she was there during

this YMCA period?

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Do you recall whether your husband Gary went over to the

YMCA and picked him up and brought him to your home?

Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't think so. I think he came by bus, or walked.

That was possible, too. It wasn't that far.

Mr. JENNER. Would you locate your apartment at 3519 Fairmont with

respect to the location of the Dallas YMCA. That was downtown?

Mrs. GIBSON. Well, it was almost downtown. I believe it was on Maple

Avenue or very near Maple Avenue.

Mr. JENNER. That is, the YMCA was?

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; and Maple Avenue, we were only one block off of Maple

Avenue. We ran parallel with Maple, Fairmont did, and we were only 1

block off of Maple, and I'd say it was, oh, maybe 12 blocks from the

YMCA.

Mr. JENNER. An easy walk?

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; 12 or 14, maybe farther, but it was not a real

long walk. It is possible to walk the distance. Bus service was very

frequent and very easy to get.

Mr. JENNER. Now, did you become aware, you and your husband, of the

fact that Lee obtained a position at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall on the 12th

of October? That is while he was at the YMCA, he had already obtained

this position and had begun to work at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall?

Mrs. GIBSON. He began to work there while he was at the Y?

Mr. JENNER. He went to work on the 12th of October 1962.

Mrs. GIBSON. Oh my goodness. Well, it is possible that we knew this. I

know, I remember that he was employed there because I remember he used

to tell Gary how he liked the job, how that interested him.

Now, when I thought he was employed there I don't know. I remember

when he was at the Y that he was looking for a place to live in the

Dallas-Oak Cliff area.

Mr. JENNER. Did you or your ex-husband Gary or both of you help him to

look?

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I believe one evening we went out with them and

looked over the prospective places, places that we knew of, the place

where we used to live--and Worthington, and just in the general

low-rent area which would be accessible to where he was going to be

working.

Mr. JENNER. So that you knew at that time where he was working or going

to work?

Mrs. GIBSON. We knew the location of the place where he was working.

Now, I am not sure if we knew that he was working already or if we

thought he was still unemployed, not unemployed but already employed

but not working yet.

Mr. JENNER. Do you recall Mrs. Hall having been involved in an

automobile accident?

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. That was in October, was it not, 1962?

Mrs. GIBSON. I don't know what the month was, but I imagine it was. It

must have been in the latter part of October.

Mr. JENNER. Do you recall Marina residing with Mrs. Hall?

Mrs. GIBSON. She was with Mrs. Hall before the accident and after the

accident and while Mrs. Hall was in the hospital she lived at the house.

Mr. JENNER. Do you recall also that Mrs. Hall, after she returned from

the hospital, went to New York City?

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I do.

Mr. JENNER. And that while she was in New York City, that Marina stayed

at her home also?

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; she did.

Mr. JENNER. Do you know whether during that period Lee Oswald stayed at

the Halls'?

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; he did. I believe, while Mrs. Hall was in the

hospital; he stayed with Marina while she was alone for 2, 3, or 4

days, something like that. He was there off and on. He spent quite a

few nights there, I know this.

Mr. JENNER. Were there any occasions when you and your husband or

either of you were at the Halls' when Oswald was there?

Mrs. GIBSON. I believe we took him to Fort Worth once to visit, and we

stayed for supper, and Mrs. Hall was there and she cooked us supper.

This is before her accident, and Alex was there and Marina and Gary and

myself.

Mr. JENNER. This is the occasion to which you earlier made a reference,

is it, or had you done so?

Mrs. GIBSON. It was the occasion where Alex and Lee got into an

argument; yes. And this was prior to Mrs. Hall's accident. We stayed

until fairly late in the evening. I can't remember if we brought Lee

back with us or if he spent the night. It would seem logical, I think

we brought Lee back with us.

Mr. JENNER. You brought him back to where?

Mrs. GIBSON. To Dallas.

Mr. JENNER. To where in Dallas?

Mrs. GIBSON. I don't know. I can't remember.

Mr. JENNER. This was before he stayed at the YMCA?

Mrs. GIBSON. No; this was after.

Mr. JENNER. This was after Mrs. Hall returned from the hospital?

Mrs. GIBSON. No; this was before her accident. This is while Marina was

there.

Mr. JENNER. To help orient you, she was in the hospital from the 18th

of October 1962 to the 26th of October 1962.

Mrs. GIBSON. This is before her accident. I think only a couple of days

before her accident or a day before, because I remember how shocked I

was when I heard that she had been in an accident. It was only a day or

two before, so where would he have been living, at the Y, wouldn't he,

at that time?

Mr. JENNER. He would be at the Y.

Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. He was at the Y on the 15th.

Mrs. GIBSON. I imagine that is where we dropped him then.

Mr. JENNER. Do you know of your own personal knowledge the fact that

Lee stayed with Marina at the Halls' from time to time?

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