AFFIDAVIT

PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION

ON THE ASSASSINATION OF

PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY

STATE OF TEXAS,

_County of Travis, ss_:

I, Billy Joe Lord, being duly sworn say:

1. I am an Airman Third Class in the United States Air Force, and I am

in the 340th Bomb Wing, Combat Defense Squadron at Bergstrom Air Force

Base, Texas. I am 22 years old and my parents live at Midland, Texas.

2. After graduating from Midland High School in 1959, with the

financial assistance of my parents, I made plans to continue my

education in France. During August, 1959, I made an application for a

passport, and on or about September 15, 1959, I departed Midland, Texas

via train for New Orleans, Louisiana, arriving there about September

17, 1959. I spent the next three days touring the city of New Orleans

and making several trips to the ticket office of the Lykes Lines. The

cost of passage aboard the ship S.S. Marion Lykes amounted to slightly

more than $200. I registered and stayed in the LaSalle Hotel on Canal

Street, which was near the city library. I visited the library several

times during this stay in the city. During this period I did not know

Lee Harvey Oswald.

3. On September 20, 1959, I boarded the freighter S.S. Marion Lykes at

New Orleans. Upon boarding the ship, I was shown to my room, and when I

got there, Lee Harvey Oswald was already there and moving in. We were

to share this room. I had never before seen nor heard of Lee Harvey

Oswald. Lee Harvey Oswald and I shared this cabin for the duration of

the trip to France which was fourteen days.

4. In our first conversation, Oswald said that he was recently

discharged from the Marines and that he had worked in some technical

field while in the Marines. He indicated that he was somewhat bitter

about the fact that his mother had to work in a drugstore in Fort

Worth, Texas, and was having a difficult time. He also said that

he would probably return to the United States to work. He gave no

indication of his ultimate destination, although he said he was going

to travel around in Europe and possibly attend school in Switzerland if

he had sufficient funds. Also in this first conversation, we discussed

religion. I do not know why we discussed religion except that possibly

he noticed that I had a bible. Oswald maintained that he could not

see how I could believe in God in view of the fact that science had

disproved the existence of God, and that there was only matter.

5. After the first day, I hardly conversed with Oswald at all. Oswald

was not outgoing and neither was I. We just were not very friendly.

6. Besides Oswald and myself, there were two other passengers aboard

the ship. They were a retired U.S. Army Colonel and his wife, Colonel

and Mrs. George B. Church, Jr. All four of the passengers generally

ate their meals together in the ships officer's mess. Oswald ate most

of his meals with us. I do not recall Colonel Church and his wife

associating very much with Lee Harvey Oswald.

7. I shared a closet with Oswald, but I did not notice anything out

of the ordinary among Oswald's possessions. He did show me either his

military identification card or his passport.

8. Oswald did not indicate that he might defect to Russia. To the

best of my knowledge, Oswald did not receive any correspondence or

communications while aboard the ship, nor did he associate with any

of the ship's crew. Oswald never mentioned any contacts or friends in

Europe.

9. Lee Harvey Oswald appeared to be a normal, healthy individual,

mentally alert, but extremely cynical in his general attitude.

On October 5, 1959, our ship arrived in France, and I disembarked from

the ship. I never saw or heard from him again. It is my recollection

that he departed from the ship subsequent to my departure. I had

written my mother about all the passengers. When Oswald defected, she

sent me a newspaper clipping about it.

10. Oswald spent a great deal of his time during the trip on the deck.

I do not recall him doing any reading. I do recall, however, that there

was a radio speaker which received programs from Europe and that Oswald

and Colonel Church seemed to understand a little bit of the foreign

language that came over on the speaker. I thought it was German, but I

am not sure.

11. I attended the Institute of French Studies at the City of Tours,

Province of Touraine, France, from October, 1959 to February, 1962

intermittently while auditing courses at the University of Poitires,

Tours, France, and at the Sorbonne, University of Paris, France. I

returned to the United States aboard the French ship, Liberty, in June,

1960. I went to France again in February of 1961 for further education,

and returned to the United States in February of 1962.

Signed this 26th day of June 1964.

(S) Billy Joe Lord,

BILLY JOE LORD.

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