Mr. THORNLEY. Yes; I think he was----

Mr. JENNER. I am speaking in the abstract.

Mr. THORNLEY. I think he was extremely intelligent, with what

information he had at hand he could always do very well and in an

argument he was quick. He was quick to answer, and it was not a matter

of just grabbing at something. It was a matter of coming back with a

fairly precise answer to your question or to your objection to his

argument.

Mr. JENNER. I take it then it was your impression--I will change my

question because I don't want to ask a leading question here.

What was your impression as to whether his learning, in the sense we

are talking about now, was superficial or was he able to master that

which he read, and engage in personal self-critique of that which he

read, discover its weaknesses, and apprehend its major thrust?

Mr. THORNLEY. Well, I would say as I have said before, he certainly

understood what he read. How much he had read, I don't know, but I

do know that when he got on a subject in which he was interested, he

showed a grasp of it. This is true with the book "1984," for example.

It is true with Marxism.

Mr. JENNER. Now that interests me also. You mentioned that before;

that is, his espousal of or interest in Marxism as such. What was his

ability, if he had any, and I am talking now idealistically only, to

compare Marxism, communism, democracy?

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