Mr. PIC. If you are interested in my opinions----

Mr. JENNER. Yes, sir; anything that you want to add.

Mr. PIC. I think, I believe that Lee Oswald did the crime that he is

accused of. I think that anything he may have done was aided with a

little extra push from his mother in the living conditions that she

presented to him. I also think that his reason for leaving the Marine

Corps is not true and accurate. I mean I don't think he cared to get

out of the Marine Corps to help his mother. He probably used this as an

excuse to get out and go to his defection.

I know myself I wouldn't have gotten out of the service because of her,

and I am sure Robert wouldn't either, and this makes me believe that

Lee wouldn't have.

Mr. JENNER. What kind of a student was your brother, do you know, do

you recall, rather?

Mr. PIC. I think in elementary school he was fairly good, sir.

Mr. JENNER. But then in the later grades, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th?

Mr. PIC. I have no idea, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Well, that is about all. I sure appreciate your coming, and

the Commission likewise, at some inconvenience to yourself. You will be

able to catch that 9:50 plane in the morning and get yourself back to

your son's birthday party.

Mr. PIC. I hope what I have told you has been something new and not

repetitious.

Mr. JENNER. Much of what you have told us has been new. Much of

what you have told us has been very helpful to us in the way of

corroborating matters about which we were not fully informed or in

doubt, and opinions have been expressed particularly with respect to

your brother have been helpful.

That leads me to ask you this further question: Give me your overall

impression of your brother Lee Oswald as a personality, as he developed.

Mr. PIC. Sir; I remember Lee Oswald as a child, up until about the age

of 11 or 12. To me, he appeared a normal healthy robust boy who would

get in fights and still have his serious moments.

Mr. JENNER. You got in fights, too, didn't you?

Mr. PIC. Sure.

Mr. JENNER. And your brother Robert?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. These are not fights that you would regard as other than

boys getting into?

Mr. PIC. That is correct, sir.

Mr. JENNER. That is, it wasn't because he was unduly belligerent?

Mr. PIC. No, sir.

Mr. JENNER. All right. Go ahead.

Mr. PIC. He got in his usual trouble around the neighborhood as far as

getting in people's yards, probably, and letting the dog go astray,

normal healthy boy.

I think as he became older, prior to me entering the service, he became

slightly cocky and belligerent toward his mother. He never showed any

of this toward Robert or myself. I am afraid it probably rubbed off of

Robert and myself and it affected Lee, because we didn't really take

much stock into what she was saying. I don't think we were as cocky, as

belligerent as he was. There was----

Mr. JENNER. Do you think that was a defensive mechanism, on his part?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; I think so.

Mr. JENNER. Did your mother ever say anything around your home about

that employers were overreaching her, and employers overreached poor

working people or anything along those lines?

Mr. PIC. No; she always reminded us she worked like a slave to provide

for us three boys. She couldn't wait for a day we would grow up and

support her.

When Lee visited us in New York he came there a friendly, nice

easy-to-like kid.

Mr. JENNER. This is 1952 in the summer?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir; he had the interest of boys at that age, the Museum

of Natural History, sightseeing excursions and so forth. Until the

incident where I talked to him we never had a bad word between us other

than maybe joking or playing around. I tried to interest him in a hobby

of building boats or collecting stamps again while he was----

Mr. JENNER. Had he been interested in those two hobbies?

Mr. PIC. Yes; he and I, all three of us collected stamps. I played

chess with Lee quite a bit and Robert, too. We all did this. Played

monopoly together, the three of us.

When I approached him on this knife-pulling incident he became very

hostile towards me. And he was never the same again with me.

Mr. JENNER. That was the first time he had ever been hostile in that

sense towards you?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. And that rupture was never repaired thereafter?

Mr. PIC. No, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Did you have the impression when you saw him on

Thanksgiving of 1962 that in the meantime he had become embittered,

resentful of his station?

Mr. PIC. Well, sir; the Lee Harvey Oswald I met in November of 1962

was not the Lee Harvey Oswald I had known 10 years previous. This

person struck me as someone with a chip on his shoulder, who had these

purposes I mentioned, to do something about.

Mr. JENNER. What purposes?

Mr. PIC. To repay the Government and get his discharge changed.

It appeared to me that he was a good father towards his child, and not

knowing the conversation between he and his wife I couldn't form much

of an opinion there.

Mr. JENNER. All right, sir; that is about it.

Mr. PIC. OK, sir; thank you very much.

Mr. JENNER. This transcript will be prepared by the reporters and it

will be sent to your commanding officer, and would you please get it

immediately and read it and sign it.

If you make any corrections in it, put your initials beside the

correction, or over, above, your initial somewhere around the

correction so we know it is you who did it, and return it to us as

promptly as possible.

It may be that the Secret Service will bring it out, but it will be

delivered to you next week.

All right.

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