Mr. PIC. That is the first time I have ever seen her use the word "Lee."

Mr. JENNER. But the handwriting; that is her handwriting?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. I offer in evidence a document now identified as John Pic

Exhibit No. 3.

(John Pic Exhibit No. 3 was marked for identification.)

Mr. JENNER. Now, directing your attention to that exhibit which shows

the entry of your brother Robert in the orphanage asylum on January 3,

1942, is it a fact that you and your brother Robert entered the asylum

at the same time?

Mr. PIC. To the best of my recollection, yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. I direct your attention to this. There appears in the line

designated "mother" written in longhand Marguerite Claverie Oswald,

address, 1010 Bartholomew, and then right above it there is written 831

Pauline Street--January 28.

Do you recall your mother moving with Lee to a place on Pauline Street

in January of 1942?

Mr. PIC. No, sir.

Mr. JENNER. All you recall is that she and Lee did move to a place,

another place from the 1010 Bartholomew address?

Mr. PIC. Well, it shows it there. I thought it was Sherwood Forest, I

don't know.

Mr. JENNER. It might have been shortly after that?

Mr. PIC. This is not familiar at all, sir.

Mr. JENNER. That is the 831 Pauline Street address is not at all

familiar?

Mr. PIC. No, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Is any of this application blank, that is any of the

longhand on it, in the hand of your mother other than her signature?

Mr. PIC. I wouldn't know, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Your religion is Lutheran, is it not?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. And you were baptized in the Lutheran church, were you not?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Your recollection is that your brother Lee was taken from

the orphanage home before you and Robert were?

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. You were released in June of 1944?

Mr. PIC. I have--I may have. If you say it was June, sir, OK. It was

May or June.

Mr. JENNER. May or June of 1944. And does it refresh your recollection

that your brother Lee was released from that home the previous January,

as a matter of fact on----

Mr. PIC. He didn't go when we went and he didn't leave, all I know is

he didn't enter when we entered and he didn't leave when we left. It

was between those periods the best I can state.

Mr. JENNER. The record (Pic Exhibit) shows he was released from the

home on the 19th of January, 1944 (Pic Exhibit No. 2A), and that he

entered the home on the 26th of December, 1942 (Pic Exhibit No. 2).

So he was there 2 years.

Mr. PIC. No, sir; that is not right.

Mr. JENNER. That doesn't square with your recollection, you mean?

Mr. PIC. No, sir. He may have been in and out of there off and on but

he didn't spend full time there that long. You see she may have pulled

him out there for a couple of weeks to stay with the Murrets, and

things or even longer and still have him charged against Bethlehem.

Mr. JENNER. I misspoke when I said 2 years. It would be the period from

December 26, 1942, to January 29, 1944, which is 1 year and 1 month.

Mr. PIC. No, sir; that would only be a year and 1 month.

Mr. JENNER. For the record then that span of time for your brother

between January 29, 1944, when he was released, and December 26, 1942,

when he entered is approximately 13 months.

Mr. PIC. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. That is about what you remember, isn't it?

Mr. PIC. Well, I remember it about 6 months. But I guess that is right.

I know he wasn't in there a full 13 months at a clip. He was in and out

of there in 13 months. At that school if your parents wanted to take

you home for a couple or 3 weeks they took you home for a couple or 3

weeks.

Mr. JENNER. And you do remember your mother did that?

Mr. PIC. Sure, I am sure he stayed at the Murrets also.

Mr. JENNER. Well, the Murrets recall that. Now, I show you an exhibit

which we will identify as John Pic Exhibit No. 4 which for purposes of

identification is a Xerox duplication of a letter from Mrs. Marguerite

Oswald to the Reverend Harold of the Evangelical Lutheran Orphanage

Asylum dated February 1, 1945, addressed 4801 Victor, Dallas, Tex.

It is in longhand. Would you please examine it for the purpose of

answering a question I will put to you as to whether it is in the

handwriting of your mother?

Mr. PIC. It appears to me, sir; to be her handwriting.

Mr. JENNER. I offer in evidence John Pic Exhibit No. 4.

(John Pic Exhibit No. 4 was marked for identification.)

Mr. JENNER. I have marked as John Pic Exhibit No. 5 another application

for admission to Evangelical Lutheran Bethlehem Orphan Asylum

Association dated December 23, 1942, for the admission of John Edward

Pic and Robert Oswald to that orphanage, but the information on the

application is confined to John Edward Pic.

Unfortunately, Mr. Pic, this application, for some reason by oversight

was not signed by your mother. Do you remember a pastor by the name of

Rev. J. H. Nau?

Mr. PIC. No, sir.

Mr. JENNER. At the Redeemer Lutheran Church?

Mr. PIC. No, sir.

Mr. JENNER. By the way, Mr. Reporter, for purposes of the record, there

appears on this application the fact that the marriage of Sergeant

Pic's mother Marguerite and his father Edward John Pic, Jr. was at

Gulfport, La.

Mr. PIC. Mississippi.

Mr. JENNER. No, it says Gulfport, La. here and should have been

Gulfport, Miss.?

Mr. PIC. Yes; Mississippi.

Mr. JENNER. Do you remember a pastor by the name of Reverend Scherer?

Mr. PIC. No, sir.

Mr. JENNER. The Trinity Evangelical Church.

Mr. PIC. No, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Do you remember a Rev. M. R. Lecron?

Mr. PIC. No, sir.

Mr. JENNER. Of the Redeemer Church?

Mr. PIC. No, sir.

Mr. JENNER. By the way, all you boys were christened in the Lutheran

church, faith, were you not?

Mr. PIC. I don't know or remember if Lee was. I don't know about Lee.

Mr. JENNER. The record of the Bethlehem Children's Home show that he

was baptized by the Rev. M. R. Lecron of the Redeemer Lutheran Church.

The exact date, however, is not given.

Mr. PIC. They even have his birthday wrong there.

Mr. JENNER. 1 day. They have it as the 19th whereas it was 18th. As a

matter of fact, your mother on one of her papers fixes it on the 19th.

Mr. PIC. So does one of the letters.

Mr. JENNER. I offer John Pic Exhibit No. 5 in evidence.

(John Pic Exhibit No. 5 was marked for identification.)

Mr. JENNER. We will adjourn now and reconvene at 3 o'clock.

(Whereupon, at 12:25 p.m., the proceeding was recessed.)

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