Personal Interview

Mr. Simms was born and raised on Mill Creek Kentucky, and now lives in

Madison Indiana on Poplar Street diagonally North West of the hospital.

He was so young he did no remember very much about how the slaves were

treated, but seemed to regret very much that he had been denied the

privilege of an education. Mr. Simms remembers seeing the lines of

soldiers on the Campbellsburg road, but referred to the war as the

"Revolution War".

This was a very interesting old man, when we first called, his daughter

invited us into the house, but her father wanted to talk outside where

he "spit better". When his daughter conveyed this information Mr. Simms'

immediately decided that we could come in as we "wouldn't be there long

anyhow".

After we gained entrance, the daughter remarked that her father was very

young at the time of the war, whereupon he answered very testily "If you

are going to tell it, go ahead. Or am I going to tell it?"

Beulah Van Meter

District 4

Clark County

BILLY SLAUGHTER

1123 Watt St.

Jeffersonville

Billy Slaughter was born Sept. 15, 1858, on the Lincoln Farm near

Hodgenville, Ky. The Slaughters who now live between the Dixie Highway

and Hodgenville on the right of the road driving toward Hodgenville

about four miles off the state highway are the descendants of the old

slave's master. This old slave was sold once and was given away once

before he was given his freedom.

The spring on the Lincoln Farm that falls from a cliff was a place

associated with Indian cruelty. It was here in the pool of water below

the cliff that the Indians would throw babies of the settlers. If the

little children could swim or the settlers could rescue them they

escaped, otherwise they were drowned. The Indians would gather around

the scene of the tragedy and rejoice in their fashion. The old slave

when he was a baby was thrown in this pool but was rescued by white

people. He remembers having seen several Indians but not many.

The most interesting subject that Billy Slaughter discussed was the

Civil War. This was ordinarily believed to be fought over slavery, but

it really was not, according to his interpretation, which is unusual for

an old slave to state. The real reason was that the South withdrew from

the Union and elected Jefferson Davis President of the Confederacy. In

his own dialect he narrated these events accurately. The southerners or

Democrats were called "Rebels" and "Secess" and the Republicans were

called "Abolitionists."

Another point of interest was John Brown and Harpers Ferry. When

Harper's Ferry was fired upon, that was firing upon the United States.

It was here and through John Brown's Raid that war was virtually

declared. The old Negro explained that Brown was an Abolitionist, and

was captured here and later killed. While the old slave had the utmost

respect for the Federal Government he regarded John Brown as a martyr

for the cause of freedom and included him among the heroes he

worshipped. Among his prized possessions is an old book written about

John Brown's Raid.

The old slave's real hero was Abraham Lincoln. He plans another

pilgrimage to the Lincoln Farm to look again at the cabin in which his

Emancipator was born. He asked me if I read history very much. I assured

him that I read it to some extent. After that he asked me if I recalled

reading about Lincoln during the Civil War walking the White House floor

one night and a Negro named Douglas remained in his presence. In the

beginning of the War the Negroes who enlisted in the Union Army were

given freedom, also the wives, and the children who were not married.

Another problem that was facing the North at this time was that the men

who were taken from the farm and factory to the army could not be

replaced by the slaves and production continued in the North as was

being done in the south. Not all Negroes who wanted to join the Union

forces were able to do so because of the strict watchfulness of their

masters. The slaves were made to fight in the southern army whether they

wanted to or not. This lessened the number of free Negroes in the

Northern army. As a result Lincoln decided to free all Negroes. That was

the decision he made the night he walked the White House floor. This was

the old darkey's story of the conditions that brought about the

Emancipation Proclamation. Freeing the Negroes was brought about during

the Civil War but it was not the reason that the war was fought, was the

unusual opinion of this Negro. "Uncle Billy's" father joined the Union

army at the Taylor Barracks, near Louisville, Ky., which was the Camp

Taylor during the World War. Uncle Billy's father and mother and their

children who were not married were given freedom. The old slave has kept

the papers that were drawn up for this act.

The old darkey explained that the Negro soldiers never fought in any

decisive battles. There must always be someone to clean and polish the

harness, care for the horses, dig ditches, and construct parapets. This

slave's father was at Memphis during the battle there.

The Slaughter family migrated to Jeffersonville in '65. Billy was then

seven years old. At that time there was only one depot here--a freight

and passenger depot at Court and Wall Streets. What is now known as

Eleventh St. was then a hickory grove--a paradise for squirrel hunters.

On the ridge beginning at 7th and Mechanic Sts. were persimmon trees.

This was a splendid hunting haven for the Negroes for their favorite

wild animal--the o'possum. The ridge is known today as 'Possum Ridge.

The section east of St. Anthony's Cemetery was covered in woods. Since

there were a number of Beechnuts, pigeons frequented this place and were

sought here. One could catch them faster than he could shoot them.

At this time there were two shipyards in Jeffersonville--Barmore's and

Howard's. Barmore's shipyard location was first the location of a big

meat-packing company. The old darkey called it a "pork house".

The old slave had seen several boats launched from these yards. Great

crowds would gather for this event. After the hull was completed in the

docks the boat was ready to launch. The blocks that served as props were

knocked down one at a time. One man would knock down each prop. There

were several men employed in this work on the appointed day of the

launching of the boat. The boat would be christened with a bottle of

champagne on its way to the river.

"Uncle Billy" worked on a steamboat in his earlier days. This boat

traveled from Louisville to New Orleans. People traveled on the river

for there were few railroads. The first work the old darkey did was to

clean the decks. Later he cleaned up inside the boat, mopped up the

floors and made the berths. The next job he held was ladies' cabin man.

Later he took care of the quarters where the officials of the boat

slept. The darkey also worked as a second pantry man. This work

consisted of waiting on the tables in the dining room. The men's

clothes had to be spotless. Sometimes it would become necessary for him

to change his shirt three times a day.

The meats on the menu would include pigeon, duck, turkey, chicken,

quail, beef, pork, and mutton. Vegetables of the season were served, as

well as desserts. It was nothing unusual for a half dollar to be left

under a plate as a tip for the waiter. Those who worked in the cabins

never set a price for a shoe shine. Fifteen cents was the lowest they

ever received.

During a yellow fever epidemic before a quarantine could be declared a

boatload of three hundred people left Louisville at night to go to

Memphis, Tenn. During the same time this boat went to New Orleans where

yellow fever was raging. The captain warned them of it. In two narrow

streets the old darkey recalled how he had seen the people fall over

dead. These streets were crowded and there were no sidewalks, only room

for a wagon. Here the victims would be sitting in the doorways,

apparently asleep, only to fall over dead.

When the boat returned, one of the crew was stricken with this disease.

Uncle Billy nursed him until they reached his home at Cairo, Ill. No one

else took the yellow fever and this man recovered.

Another job "Uncle Billy" held was helping to make the brick used in the

U.S. Quarter Master Depot. Colonel James Keigwin operated a brick kiln

in what is now a colored settlement between 10th and 14th and Watt and

Spring Sts. The clay was obtained from this field. It was his task to

off-bare the brick after they were taken from the molds, and to place

them in the eyes to be burned. Wood was used as fuel.

"Uncle Billy" reads his Bible quite often. He sometimes wonders why he

is still left here--all of his friends are gone; all his brothers and

sisters are gone. But this he believes is the solution--that there must

be someone left to tell about old times.

"The Bible," he quotes, "says that two shall be working in the field

together and one shall be taken and the other left. I am the one who is

left," he concludes.

Henrietta Karwowski, Field Worker

Federal Writers' Project

St. Joseph County--District #1

South Bend, Indiana

EX-SLAVES

MR. AND MRS. ALEX SMITH

127 North Lake Street

South Bend, Indiana

Mr. and Mrs. Alex Smith, an eighty-three year old negro couple were

slaves in Kentucky near Paris, Tennessee, as children. They now reside

at 127 North Lake Street, on the western limits of South Bend. This

couple lives in a little shack patched up with tar paper, tin, and wood.

Mrs. Elizabeth Smith, the talkative member or the family is a small

woman, very wrinkled, with a stocking cap pulled over her gray hair. She

wore a dress made of three different print materials; sleeves of one

kind, collar of another and body of a third. Her front teeth were

discolored, brown stubs, which suggested that she chews tobacco.

Mr. Alex Smith, the husband is tall, though probably he was a well built

man at one time. He gets around by means of a cane. Mrs. Smith said that

he is not at all well, and he was in the hospital for six weeks last

winter.

The wife, Elizabeth or Betty, as her husband calls her, was a slave on

the Peter Stubblefield plantation in Kentucky, the nearest town being

Paris, Tennessee, while Mr. Smith was a slave on the Robert Stubblefield

plantation nearby.

Although only a child of five, Mr. Smith remembers the Civil War,

especially the marching of thousands of soldiers, and the horse-drawn

artillery wagons. The Stubblefields freed their slaves the first winter

after the war.

On the Peter Stubblefield plantation the slaves were treated very well

and had plenty to eat, while on the Robert Stubblefield plantation Mr

Smith went hungry many times, and said, "Often, I would see a dog with a

bit of bread, and I would have been willing to take it from him if I had

not been afraid the dog would bite me."

Mrs. Smith was named after Elizabeth Stubblefield, a relative of Peter

Stubblefield. As a child of five years or less, Elizabeth had to spin

"long reels five cuts a day," pick seed from cotton, and cockle burrs

from wool, and perform the duties of a house girl.

Unlike the chores of Elizabeth, Mr. Smith had to chop wood, carry water,

chop weeds, care for cows, pick bugs from tobacco plants. This little

boy had to go barefoot both summer and winter, and remembers the

cracking of ice under his bare feet.

The day the mistress and master came and told the slaves they were free

to go any place they desired, Mrs. Smith's mother told her later that

she was glad to be free but she had no place to go or any money to go

with. Many of the slaves would not leave and she never witnessed such

crying as went on. Later Mrs. Smith was paid for working. She worked in

the fields for "wittels" and clothes. A few years later she nursed

children for twenty-five cents a week and "wittels," but after a time

she received fifty cents a week, board and two dresses. She married Mr.

Smith at the age of twenty.

Mr Smith's father rented a farm and Mr. Smith has been a farmer all his

life. The Smith couple have been married sixty-four years. Mrs. Smith

says, "and never a cross word exchanged. Mr. Smith and I had no

children."

The room the writer was invited into was a combination bed-room and

living room with a large heating stove in the centre of the small room.

A bed on one side, a few chairs about the room. The floor was covered

with an old patched rug. The only other room beside this room was a very

small kitchen. The whole home was shabby and poor.

The only means of support the family has is a government old age pension

which amounts to about fourteen dollars a month.

Their little shack is situated in the center of a large lot around which

a very nice vegetable garden is planted. The property belongs to Mr.

Harry Brazy, and the old couple does not pay rent or taxes and they may

stay there as long as they live, "which is good enough for us," says

Mrs. Smith.

As the writer was leaving Mrs. Smith said, "I like to talk and meet

people. Come again."

Robert C. Irvin

Noblesville, Ind.

District #2

EX-SLAVE, LIFE STORY OF

BARNEY STONE, FORMER SLAVE, HAMILTON CO.

This is the life story of Barney Stone, a highly respected colored

gentleman of Noblesville, Hamilton County seat. Mr. Stone is near

nintey-one years old, is in sound physical condition and still has a

remarkable memory. He was a slave in the state of Kentucky for more than

sixteen years and a soldier in the Union army for nearly two years. He

educated himself and taught school to colored children four years

following the Civil War. He studied in 1868, and has been a preacher in

the Colored Baptist Faith for sixty nine years, having been instrumental

in the building of seven churches in that time. Mr. Stone joined the K.

of P. Lodge, the I.O.O.F. and Masonic Lodge and is still a member of the

latter.

This fine old colored man has always worked hard for the uplift and

advancement of the colored race and has accomplished much in this effort

in the States of Tennessee, Kentucky and Indiana. He, together with his

preaching of the gospel, and his lecturing, has followed farming. He now

has a field of sweet corn and a fine, large garden, which he plowed,

planted and tended himself and not a weed can be found in either. He is

the only ex-slave now living in Hamilton County, the others all

deceased, and is one of three living members of Hamilton county G.A.R.

the other two members being white.

Mr. Stone has given to the writer "My Life's Story", which he desires to

call it, and in this story he pictures to the reader, "sixteen years of

hell as a slave on a plantation," a story which will convince the reader

that, even though much blood was shed in our Civil War, the war was a

Godsend to the American Nation. This story is told just as given by Mr.

Stone.

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