I was elected a delegate from the crew that I was working with.

When we arrived at this meeting--I believe the meeting was held in the

labor temple--we discussed the award, and the union leaders at that

time were very frankly disappointed in the results of it.

The sum total of it was that it led to a strike, and the members

seemed to like the way I presented their case during the course of the

arguments, getting ready for the strike. And when the strike occurred

I was elected chairman of the strike committee and chairman of the

negotiating committee.

So we were again brought into public attention, and the Communist

Party looked me up very quickly to find out what was going on and to

try to advise me how to conduct myself in the course of that strike.

They really knew very little about it. They learned a great deal from

me because I was working with the men. And their advice was I must

immediately fight the leadership of the union.

I made a few feeble efforts in that direction and found that I didn’t

have any good reason for fighting that leadership because they were

carrying out the program which I had advocated in the original strike

meeting to satisfy the needs of the members.

Mr. TAVENNER. Apparently, the Communist Party was more interested in

promoting its own objectives than it was the objectives of the union

which was on strike.

Mr. DENNETT. They were anxious that someone from the Communist Party

gain control in that organization.

Mr. TAVENNER. What was the name of the organization?

Mr. DENNETT. At that time it was called the Ferry Boatmen’s Union of

the Pacific. It later has changed its name, and, in making use of that

name, I certainly want it to be clearly understood that using that name

in nowise should be construed as meaning that it was any Communist

organization because it was not.

Mr. TAVENNER. It rather demonstrated just the contrary.

Mr. DENNETT. And its leaders were not.

But the leaders of that organization were making as sincere an effort

as they knew how to represent the wishes and needs of the membership.

While there were some tactical differences between myself and them

on various occasions, we did adopt a program wherein we agreed with

each other that none of us would attempt to do anything or to speak in

behalf of the organization without conferring with the other. In other

words, we made a mutual agreement among ourselves as officials of the

strike committee which required the exchange of mutual confidence. And,

to the best of my ability, I carried that out, and I think, in all

fairness, it should be said that, to the best of their ability, they

carried their part out. I think the value of that is demonstrated by

the fact that in the final settlement of that strike we succeeded in

raising the wages of the freight-boat employees from $49 per month,

without any regulation of hours, to a wage of about $150 per month with

a regulation of hours and provision for overtime.

Mr. VELDE (presiding).

I am not quite clear about this ferry boatmen’s union. Was it a local

union not affiliated with any other?

Mr. DENNETT. It was a part of an American Federation affiliate. At

that time it was the Ferry Boatmen’s Union of the Pacific, affiliated

with the International Seamen’s Union of America, affiliated with the

American Federation of Labor.

Mr. VELDE. In what year?

Mr. DENNETT. That was in 1936.

Mr. VELDE. How large was the local? How many members?

Mr. DENNETT. I think there were in the neighborhood of 300 or 400

members in Puget Sound at that time. But that, of course, controlled

all the tug boats and all the barges, all the towing, all the

servicing, on the waterside of the smaller vessels.

I think that that completes the statement of what was in progress at

the time of the question.

Mr. TAVENNER. After this experience on the waterfront what was your

next contact with the Communist Party?

Mr. DENNETT. The next occurred in the district council of the Maritime

Federation of the Pacific. That was Northwest District Council No. 1

which was in Seattle. This was the council to which delegates were sent

from all the maritime unions.

(At this point Representative Morgan M. Moulder returned to the hearing

room.)

Mr. DENNETT. And some of the shoreside unions, which worked in the

shipyards.

These unions were brought together in the 1934 strike, which was before

my time. And I would be presuming on you to try to give any testimony

about the exact way in which it was formed except to say that,

consistent with the Communist Party policy, it was our objective, from

the days of the old Marine Workers Industrial Union, which was one of

the affiliates of the Red International of Labor Unions, to organize

all the maritime workers into one organization.

However, it was the desire of the workers in the industry to choose

their membership in the duly constituted, chartered organizations of

craft unions which were already in the field, such as the Sailors’

Union of the Pacific, the Marine Firemen, Oilers, Water Tenders and

Wipers Association, the Marine Cooks and Stewards of the Pacific.[2]

And later on I believe the radio operators, the masters, mates, and

pilots,[3] and the marine engineers.[4] Then, of course, the shoreside

organizations of longshoremen, machinists and shipwrights, joiners,

boilermakers. There were many organizations that were involved in any

kind of waterborne traffic.

Through the Maritime Federation of the Pacific all of these were

brought together, and, for a brief period of time at least, cooperated

quite successfully.

However, by 1935 one organization began to object to the Communist

Party influence in the federation. That was the sailors’ union under

Harry Lundeberg. However, in that dispute it wasn’t clear to the

average person who was in the industry just what the nature of the

dispute was, and most people felt that the dispute was a personal

dispute between the leaders of the sailors and the leaders of the

longshoremen. My own knowledge of the situation, of a later date, would

lead me to believe that that is not an adequate explanation of what the

dispute was all about.

The dispute ran much deeper than personality clashes. The dispute was a

fundamental policy question dispute, and that dispute centered around

whether or not the organization would move closer and closer to the Red

International of Labor Unions through this new form or whether it would

permit itself to separate into the respective component parts and each

function separately and independently without that international Red

affiliation.

Mr. TAVENNER. What was the outcome of that dispute?

Mr. DENNETT. The outcome was that the split spread. First one

organization and then another began to have misgivings as to the

consequences of being full partners in the Maritime Federation of the

Pacific.

The first one to show the disaffection were the sailors. Subsequently

the marine firemen showed disaffection. Then the master mates

and pilots showed disaffection. And the marine engineers showed

disaffection. The radio operators began to show some disaffection. Some

of the longshoremen showed disaffection.

So the result was that by the time 1937 or 1938 rolled around the

Maritime Federation was becoming sort of a bare skeleton which existed

with a powerful name but did not have the moral backing and support of

the members of the organizations that were affiliated to it.

Mr. TAVENNER. Was the organization Communist-dominated?

Mr. DENNETT. The Maritime Federation of the Pacific top leadership had

at all times some prominent Communist leaders, some persons who were

Communists.

Mr. TAVENNER. Can you at this time give us the names of those who

occupied an official position in that organization who were known to

you to be members of the Communist Party?

Mr. DENNETT. One of the first ones that I knew was a man by the name of

Walter Stack.

Mr. TAVENNER. Did Walter Stack become very prominent in the Communist

Party?

Mr. DENNETT. Walter Stack was in the marine firemen’s union and

exercised a great deal of influence in that organization here.

Another was Ernest Fox. Ernest Fox was a patrolman in the Sailors

Union of the Pacific, and he exercised a great deal of influence in

the sailors union. He was one of the original ones. When Mr. Lundeberg

was the first president of the organization Mr. Fox was his right hand

bower who did most of the leg work for Mr. Lundeberg at that time.

Lundeberg was the first president of the Maritime Federation of the

Pacific.

Mr. TAVENNER. At that time was he anti-Communist?

Mr. DENNETT. I think, from the stories that I have been told, that

Mr. Lundeberg was thought so well of at that time that he was invited

to take part and did participate in some top fraction meetings of the

Communist Party in the Maritime Federation. And when he turned against

the Communist Party a little bit later on that incensed the Communists

so much that they looked upon Mr. Lundeberg as a potential traitor

who might reveal a good deal more about them than they wished to have

revealed, so that they launched many attacks upon Mr. Lundeberg for the

political purpose of diverting the attention from the real reason for

the attack.

I do not mean to say by that that I endorsed everything Mr. Lundeberg

did, because I disagreed with most of the things he did on a

straight trade-union basis on a later date. But this much about that

relationship I do know, and I know that--continuing the answer to your

question as to the others--the next one whom I knew who also became

president of the Maritime Federation of the Pacific was a man by the

name of James Engstrom.

Mr. TAVENNER. Will you spell the name, please.

Mr. DENNETT. E-n-g-s-t-r-o-m. Engstrom also came from the Marine

Firemen’s Union here in the Seattle branch. Mr. Engstrom exercised

powerful influence in the organization. However, he came to a very

sad end in his relationships there because, for some reason or other,

he began to have some difficulty following the Communist Party line

and instructions, and ultimately took a vacation, went to Alaska,

thought the situation over, and I believe that he informed some Federal

Government agency of his connection and relationship at that time, and

severed his connection or resigned from his position, and what happened

to him after that I do not know.

Mr. VELDE. I am not clear on this probably because I am not up on my

organization of labor unions as well as I should be.

Was the Sailors Union of the Pacific a part of the unit within the

federation?

Mr. DENNETT. Yes, it was affiliated.

Mr. VELDE. It was not a new organization then when it split off

under----

Mr. DENNETT. No. The Sailors Union of the Pacific is one of the oldest

organizations on the west coast, founded originally by old Andrew

Furuseth.

Mr. VELDE. Is the same true of the other organizations that split from

the federation? Were they at one time units within the federation?

Mr. DENNETT. Yes, they were. Later on there was a man that became

an official in the Maritime Federation, by the name of Pringle,

P-r-i-n-g-l-e. I do not remember his first name. Pringle occupied a

high position in the federation. I do not recall at this moment the

exact position, but I do know that when I had business to transact on

behalf of the Ferry Boatsmen’s Union at that time, as it was known, I

had to deal with Mr. Pringle. And he was a member of the party also.

Later on I came to know another person who later became president of

the Maritime Federation, and was the last president to the best of

my recollection, a man by the name of Bruce Hannon, H-a-n-n-o-n. Mr.

Bruce Hannon was a longshoreman from the city of Seattle, worked on the

Seattle waterfront for a good many years. Mr. Hannon also came into

conflict with the Communist Party policy while he was a member of the

Communist Party, and totally disagreed with the decision to wipe out

the Maritime Federation.

The policy decision arrived at on that question was due to the fact

that the CIO was coming into existence in 1937, and it was the belief

of the Communist Party that if the Maritime Federation were dissolved

and liquidated that the affiliates of it would form a very good, solid,

and substantial core of the new CIO organization and would be able to

take all the fishermen unions with it into the CIO.

Mr. Hannon did not agree with that policy. He felt that the Maritime

Federation still had a function to perform and it should not have been

liquidated. And he came into violent dispute with the party leadership

over that question. How it was finally resolved I do not know. I did

not see Mr. Hannon until after the war, and I met him one day very

casually and he did not at that time express anything definitive which

I could contribute now to enlighten anyone as to what he felt except to

say that he was still bitter.

Mr. TAVENNER. As a result of that change of emphasis on the part of the

Communist Party, that is, from the Maritime Federation to its component

parts, which were to form another organization, was the Maritime

Federation of the Pacific disbanded?

Mr. DENNETT. That is right.

Mr. TAVENNER. Can you give us the approximate date?

Mr. DENNETT. To the best of my recollection, it would be right around

1938 or 1939. I may be a little bit off one year or another there, but

it is close to that date.

Mr. TAVENNER. During this period, between the time that you were

shanghaied on a boat here in Seattle and 1938, did you engage in any

other activities in the Communist Party not connected with maritime

affairs?

Mr. DENNETT. I certainly did. I was sent as a delegate from the

Inlandboatmen’s Union.[5] The name didn’t become Inlandboatmen until

much later, but I think of it now in that term. The name actually was

Ferry Boatmen’s Union at that time.

As a result of the successful conduct of our strike in 1936, the

members and the good relationship which was established between the

officers and myself, the officers agreed with the membership in

electing me a delegate to represent the organization in the Central

Labor Council. And that, of course, involved attending a weekly meeting

every Wednesday night in the labor temple.

Mr. TAVENNER. Where?

Mr. DENNETT. In Seattle.

Mr. TAVENNER. Just tell us very briefly what the Central Labor Council

was.

Mr. DENNETT. It was the city organization to which all American

Federation of Labor affiliates were affiliated, and sent delegates to

discuss their mutual business weekly.

Mr. TAVENNER. Did the fact that you were sent there as a delegate make

you a member of the Central Labor Council?

Mr. DENNETT. It did. Because of my activity in the Maritime Federation

District Council, the delegates there, most of whom were also delegates

to the Central Labor Council, elected me chairman of the maritime

caucus which was comprised of all those affiliates from the maritime

unions who were also affiliates of the Central Labor Council. There

was a duplication of affiliation there, and I was elected chairman of

that caucus. As that chairman, I was able to speak in behalf of that

caucus--all those maritime delegates--which was the largest caucus at

that time in the Central Labor Council.

Consequently, when I arose to speak the chairman of the Central Labor

Council would recognize me rather than recognize any other member of

the caucus because he was recognizing the duly elected leadership of

the caucus. Consequently, it was my function to represent that caucus

on the floor of the Central Labor Council on all important questions,

which I did. And it caused a great deal of attention to be focused on

my work and on the work of the maritime unions.

We were trying our level best to support the policies which the

Communist Party urged upon us, and that pertained especially to the

question of war, fighting the program of involvement in war at that

time. It involved being very critical of the top leadership of the

American Federation of Labor, which many other people criticized as

well as we, and by we, I mean the Communists were not the only ones

that criticized; many of the rank-and-file members who had no knowledge

of Communist Party policy or activity were also critical. But because

of this similarity of criticism, the Communists, knowing where they

were going, were able to direct this criticism along very effective

lines. And I was a central instrument in that effort in the Central

Labor Council in the city of Seattle.

Mr. TAVENNER. As a result of your experience on the Central Labor

Council were you selected for other organizational work in the

Communist Party?

Mr. DENNETT. Yes, I was.

Mr. TAVENNER. What was the nature of your work?

Mr. DENNETT. The Communist Party recognized that the position which

I was attaining in the Central Labor Council represented a powerful

political influence in the city because the city of Seattle at that

time had the reputation of being the best organized labor city in the

United States of America. There was hardly an industry that was not

actually organized in some labor union, holding bona fide labor-union

contracts with its management or employer. And the city had a very wide

reputation in that respect. Some people looked upon that as good; some

people looked upon it as bad. The Communist Party looked upon it as

being very good because it provided us an opportunity to reach every

single worker in the city indirectly.

Mr. TAVENNER. Would you say that as a result of your successful efforts

while a member of the Central Labor Council, you took part in other

Communist Party activities?

Mr. DENNETT. That is true.

Mr. TAVENNER. Will you describe the nature of those activities?

Mr. DENNETT. It was in the Washington Commonwealth Federation,

which was an organization which came into existence, the elements

of it came into existence, prior to my coming from the CCC’s. But

this organization originally grew out of the transformation from

the unemployed to the employed workers. And people built what was

known as Commonwealth Builder Clubs. And then, of course, you recall

that in that earlier period, 1933, there was a change of political

administration due to a national election. And in that period there

were a group of young, ambitious politicians who wanted to get elected

to public office. There were many young aspiring graduates of college

who felt that they had a contribution to make, and they sought

audiences before these respective organizations to win political favor,

make speeches and otherwise become publicly known so that when they did

choose to file as a candidate for public office that they could expect

enough support to get elected.

These Commonwealth Builders ultimately merged and formed what was known

as the Washington Commonwealth Federation.

Mr. TAVENNER. Was there anything of a Communist origin that you know of

in the establishment of the Commonwealth Builders?

Mr. DENNETT. No. To the best of my knowledge, this was a result of

the efforts of people who were not directed or led by the Communist

Party. However, their efforts met with such sweeping success that the

Communist Party had to concern itself if it was going to remain a

political factor.

Mr. TAVENNER. In other words, the Communist Party in order to become

the leader in the field which it desired, would have to get control of

such organizations. Is that what you mean?

Mr. DENNETT. Absolutely. We recognized that. And since being pushed

into leadership in various activities in the city, it fell to me to do

a lot of this representative work of the Communist Party in the ranks

of the Washington Commonwealth Federation, because the prestige I had

in the Inland Boatmen’s Union as a result of the successful strike made

it a comparatively simple matter for the members to elect me a delegate

and be a bona fide representative of a bona fide labor union in the

Washington Commonwealth Federation.

Mr. TAVENNER. Without going into detail, will you tell us what the

connection was, between the Commonwealth Builders and the Washington

Commonwealth Federation, or how one may have succeeded the other?

Mr. DENNETT. The Commonwealth Builders were the groups of small

organizations which preceded the Washington Commonwealth Federation.

The Communist Party became interested in the success of Commonwealth

Builders and brought forth some proposals to cause the organization to

expand and grow.

One of the proposals of the Communist Party was that steps should be

taken by the Commonwealth Builders to make possible the affiliation not

only of neighborhood groups alone----

Mr. TAVENNER. Neighborhood groups of what?

Mr. DENNETT. Of either Democrats or Commonwealth Builders, or

unemployed organizations or Workers Alliance. There are still a few

remnants of those, remnants of the old Unemployed Citizens League

organizations. These had all transformed and became the foundation upon

which the Commonwealth Builders rested.

The Communist Party, however, conceived that if the organization were

to become as powerful as it should and ought to be, that provision

should be made for the affiliation of larger organizations. And the

Communist Party succeeded in prevailing upon most of its members to

enter the American Federation of Labor unions. Consequently it was

a simple matter to introduce resolutions in numerous labor unions

urging that the American Federation of Labor unions affiliate with the

Washington Commonwealth Federation. At the same time they proposed the

calling of a convention to broaden the base of the organization of this

Commonwealth Builders.

That was done. And the Washington Commonwealth Federation was brought

into existence as an organization with affiliation from large numbers

of unions in addition to Democratic clubs and unemployed clubs and

fraternal organizations. Anything and everything which was willing

to affiliate was certainly welcomed and urged to affiliate to the

organization, pay dues, participate in its conventions, participate in

the electoral activities it engaged in.

Mr. TAVENNER. The method that the Communist Party used to assist in the

organization of the Washington Commonwealth Federation was to induce

the leadership of the particular organizations which they were members

of, such as the various labor organizations that you mentioned----

Mr. DENNETT. They would raise perfectly legitimate reasons which any

ordinary person would recognize as proper.

Mr. TAVENNER. And they brought their influence to bear on the formation

of the organization through that method.

Mr. DENNETT. That is right.

Mr. TAVENNER. As a result of that action did you say a convention was

held?

Mr. DENNETT. A convention of the Commonwealth Builders was held, which

changed the name to Washington Commonwealth Federation.

(At this point Representative Harold H. Velde left the hearing room.)

Mr. DENNETT. Because of that affiliation of whole organizations which

were not geographical in nature--take a labor union: It was not

geographical in nature; it was a complete affiliate without having

geographical definition whereas a Democratic club in a particular

district or a particular part of the city was restricted to a

particular area.

I say the federation part became a necessary part of the title because

of the nature of the changed affiliations.

Mr. TAVENNER. Before the name was changed what was the title?

Mr. DENNETT. Commonwealth Builders.

Mr. TAVENNER. In other words, it was a conversion of Commonwealth

Builders into an overall organization.

Mr. DENNETT. It was.

Mr. TAVENNER. Titled “Washington Commonwealth Federation.”

Mr. DENNETT. That is true.

Mr. MOULDER. The committee will stand in recess for approximately 5

minutes.

(Whereupon a short recess was taken.)

(Representatives Moulder and Velde were present upon reconvening at the

expiration of the recess.)

Mr. TAVENNER. Mr. Dennett, I think you have made it clear in your

testimony that the Commonwealth Builders were not organized by the

Communist Party and that there was very little, if any, Communist Party

influence within those affiliated organizations as such. Am I correct

in that?

Mr. DENNETT. Well, that is essentially correct.

Mr. TAVENNER. I want to be certain as to what the picture is with

regard to the Washington Commonwealth Federation which succeeded; that

is, whether or not at the inception of that organization it was heavily

controlled by the Communist Party.

Mr. DENNETT. No; it was not. And, as a matter of fact, it was quite

anti-Communist at the very beginning.

Mr. TAVENNER. The original method used by the Communist Party to become

entrenched in the federation was through the various organizations

which were affiliated with it.

Mr. DENNETT. Through the process of building the organization larger

and bringing into affiliation organizations in which it did have

influence and ultimately getting top influence in the WCF.

Mr. TAVENNER. I think that explains it.

You made reference to a convention that was being called. When

and where was the convention held? That is, the convention of the

Washington Commonwealth Federation.

Mr. DENNETT. In the year 1936 it held two conventions. One was in April

and another one was later in the year. The one in April was concerned

with several important questions. It was the largest convention of any

of the WCF conventions that I ever attended, and I understood it was

the largest convention ever held. It was in Everett, Wash., in April

1936.

It must be remembered that 1936 was a Presidential campaign. The

political situation in the whole country was quite alive. Many new

people were rising in the political sphere. And, of course, the

Washington Commonwealth Federation was an open and ready instrument

through which ambitious political persons could make their first bid

for public office and fame.

Many of them did so. Many young graduates of the university did so. I

have very little personal knowledge about them, and I wish to make sure

that you understand, and everyone else does, that I am not referring

to these persons as Communists. They are not. And I make no inference

of that kind. I simply recite the fact that here was an organization

which was capable of exerting a great deal of political power, and it

attracted all persons who had political ambitions. As a matter of fact,

there were some Republicans as well as Democrats and Independents who

beat a path to the door of the Washington Commonwealth Federation to

obtain political endorsement.

Now this convention in 1936, in April, had before it several important

policy questions. At that particular time the Communist Party had

to exercise its influence by indirection. The top leadership of the

federation were not Communists at that time.

The Communist Party was striving to obtain an endorsement of that

federation convention which would call for the organization of

either a farmer-labor party or a new independent political party. In

other words, our effort, speaking of the Communists, was to drive

the federation into making a completely new, independent, separate

political organization. However, our plans were dependent upon approval

from the central committee of the Communist Party. And the central

committee of the Communist Party kept us dangling on the end of a

string for many, many weeks prior to the opening of this convention.

The reason they kept us dangling on a string was that nationally the

Communist Party wanted to see organized and wanted to have a part in

organizing a new national organization which would be separate from

and independent from the Democratic Party or the Republican Party.

And it hoped to attract all persons known as liberals or progressives

to support and participate in such an organization. But its chief

difficulty was to obtain some national figure of great prominence to

lead the thing to give it the initiative and give it the original

sendoff that it needed to draw the strength necessary to win something

in the next election.

The party leadership felt that the person most capable of accomplishing

that purpose and fulfilling that objective was the then Governor of

Minnesota. I think it is Minnesota. Yes. His name was Floyd Olson. He

was Governor there. And he was a Farmer-Labor Governor there.

The very designation lent itself to the spreading of a nationwide

farmer-labor party. And it was the original hope of the Communist Party

that through various forms of manipulation----

It was the Olson from Minnesota. I am quite sure, thinking back on it

now, it was Floyd.

But be that as it may, it was the Governor Olson of Minnesota who was

Governor in 1936 as a Farmer-Labor Governor.

However, at the very last moment when we had the resolution all ready

to press before the convention, we finally received word that this

Governor Olson was not well enough to undertake the job of organizing

a new national farmer-labor party because of ill health, and begged

off from the responsibility. Nationally, we were unable to find

another figure of as much prominence whom we thought would be capable

of leading such a successful effort. Consequently, we had to whip

our party machinery into shape rather rapidly and change our tactics

right on the floor of the WCF convention, and reverse ourselves in the

process of debating the question.

Actually the resolutions committee had come in with a report in which a

majority had objected to going the independent route. But I was one of

the delegates who was in the minority who was leading a fight for going

the independent route. And in the process of starting the debate we got

the official word that it was a hopeless task, and we had to withdraw

that effort.

We made a last-minute switch in our strategy and tactics, and some

of those who had been fighting us so vigorously on the floor were

completely dumfounded to find that we compromised--what appeared to

be a compromise--when we changed our policy during the course of the

debate on the resolution itself and withdrew our minority position.

Mr. TAVENNER. Did you change your policy as a result of directions from

the Communist Party head in New York?

Mr. DENNETT. Yes. And the district organizer of the party was in the

anteroom of the convention hall, sending word and direction to those of

us who were up near the microphone who had an opportunity to command

the microphone and the debate. And there were runners running back and

forth to us rather rapidly telling us what the latest news of the party

line was.

And the executive secretary of the Commonwealth Federation at that time

was a man by the name of Howard Costigan who became somewhat alarmed to

see such an obvious maneuver where between 15 and 20 different people

were running back and forth passing messages to me and to others up in

the front from Rappaport advising us what the official party policy

was. He later on commented that he could see the party line running all

over the place, but he didn’t know what was in it.

Mr. TAVENNER. Was Howard Costigan a member of the Communist Party at

that time?

Mr. DENNETT. Not at that time.

But that demonstration of power that we exercised in that convention

was very convincing to him that if he wanted to remain as head of that

organization he would have to make his peace with us, which he did

before that summer was over.

Mr. TAVENNER. And did he become a member of the Communist Party?

Mr. DENNETT. He did.

Mr. TAVENNER. Mr. Chairman, I think the record should show that Mr.

Howard Costigan has appeared before the committee and has testified

regarding some of the matters which have been mentioned here,

including the fact that he did become a member of the Communist Party

at about the time indicated by this witness, and at a later time, at

approximately 1940, he left the Communist Party.

Mr. DENNETT. I could substantiate that.

There was another matter which arose as a serious issue in that

convention, and it concerned a proposal for an initiative measure which

became known as the production-for-use initiative.

Many people, because of the Communist Party influence in the

unemployed days, were quite concerned and alarmed over the problem

of unemployment, insecurity, possible impoverishment, et cetera.

All the consequences of economic dislocation. They had read many

of the so-called utopian pieces of literature such as Bellamy’s

Looking Backward and other documents of the kind. They had also

read Mr. Upton Sinclair’s program in California. They were somewhat

acquainted with the propaganda of the Soviet Union, to the effect that

production-for-use was the solution to the problems of capitalist lack

of planning. In other words, planned economy.

Mr. VELDE. Mr. Dennett, you testified that you received the party

line by courier, by runners from Rappaport. Do you have any idea how

Rappaport received it from headquarters of the Communist Party?

Mr. DENNETT. Yes. Sometimes he received it by telegraph. In this

particular instance, about this Governor Olson, he received that by

telegram.

Mr. VELDE. Was there any secrecy involved, especially at that time?

Mr. DENNETT. No; there was no secrecy in that communication. As a

matter of fact, they took parallel measures to see that somebody in

Governor Olson’s staff also sent word to Howard Costigan directly.

He also received the word. So that there was parallel information.

At least we did make that concession to Costigan, that he would have

official information about it.

Mr. TAVENNER. Did the rank-and-file membership of the Washington

Commonwealth Federation know of the Communist Party manipulations which

you have just described?

Mr. DENNETT. I am quite sure that most of them did not, although the

behavior of many of the Democratic Party leaders at that convention

would lead me to believe that they suspected it, because they fought us

so bitterly and so hard.

Mr. TAVENNER. Proceed, please.

Mr. DENNETT. The story on the production-for-use initiative is simply

this:

Because there was such a popular demand for some change in the economic

situation to assure continued production and a cooperative effort, many

people tried to translate an ideal of a cooperative commonwealth into

some form of legislative effort. This resulted in many conferences and

the calling in of legal talent to try to draft a measure which would be

legal and which would satisfy the ambitions of the people to have the

so-called dream of a cooperative commonwealth organization.

Mr. TAVENNER. Describe in a practical sense what production-for-use

meant?

Mr. DENNETT. I wish I could satisfy you completely on that point

because that is one of the problems we ran into in trying to draw up

this initiative measure.

We could never satisfy ourselves that we had it satisfactorily

organized. However, the staff who worked on it worked long and hard and

finally produced a measure which was known as the production-for-use

initiative. It was ready for presentation to that convention. However,

some of us in the Communist Party, while we agreed that such a measure

was a good propaganda weapon and felt that it was an excellent means of

popularizing the ideas which we understood and claimed were the basis

of the operation of the economy in the Soviet Union, we were startled

when we read the document and found that it sounded a little bit more

like the Fascist corporate state that the Italian leader Mussolini had

established. We became so alarmed about it, and were so perplexed that

we asked a very world-famous person, who happened to be a guest of the

convention, what this person thought about it.

The person to whom I refer is Anna Louise Strong, who had just come

from the Soviet Union, extended greetings to us, to the convention, and

otherwise gave a very enlightening report on her travels, and won wide

acclaim for that effort.

Mr. TAVENNER. Did she, on the floor of the convention, address herself

to the problem of production-for-use?

Mr. DENNETT. She did not. Not at that moment. She spoke only in general

terms about it, referring to it in a complimentary way and hoping for

success. But at that moment she did not know very much about what was

in that document.

However, we felt that she, coming from the Soviet Union with fresh

knowledge, might know quite a lot about it and might be able to assist

us in revising the document so that it would be possible to satisfy

us that it was, in fact, a step in the direction of a cooperative

commonwealth.

So she consented very graciously to take the document and work on it

overnight. She did exactly that. And we read it the next morning, and,

much to our surprise, she had moved the emphasis in the control even

more in the direction of top control and less in the direction of

allowing the members or the organizations to have anything to say about

it, which was just the reverse of the trend that we had hoped for.

Consequently, we began to ask ourselves, that is, the Communists asked

themselves, if this is the end result of an effort to draw up an

initiative, maybe it would be smarter politically for us to see that

this measure dies aborning. Consequently, we came to the conclusion

that it was impossible to draw up an initiative measure which would be

adequate and which would answer our propaganda needs and our desires to

satisfy us that it was in harmony with our program. So we embarked upon

a campaign in the course of the election----

Mr. TAVENNER. Was this a campaign to pass the proposed measure or to

defeat it?

Mr. DENNETT. Well, we all went out presumably to win support to get

the measure adopted. That is, it was an initiative measure and it was

before the voters. The voters were to cast a vote yes or no on this

initiative.

(The witness confers with his counsel.)

Mr. DENNETT. My counsel asked me if I knew the number of it, and I have

forgotten the exact number of that initiative at this moment. So I

can’t furnish that. I wish I could. It is a matter of official record,

however, and it can be verified if anyone is curious about it.

The Communist Party found itself in that predicament. We were committed

to support the measure, but we were determined to bring about its

defeat. Consequently, we campaigned far and wide all over the State of

Washington, explaining the measure in such a way as to convince the

people that they should not vote for it.

At the same time we represented ourselves as campaigning for the

measure.

And we did it so successfully that the measure was defeated. If we

hadn’t of done it I am afraid it would have been adopted.

(The witness confers with his counsel.)

Mr. DENNETT. My counsel asked me who was the “we.”

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