LINCOLN AND TALBOTT IN REPLY TO GEN. ADAMS.

“SANGAMON JOURNAL,” SPRINGFIELD, ILL., Oct. 28, 1837.

In the Republican of this morning a publication of Gen. Adams’s appears,

in which my name is used quite unreservedly. For this I thank the

General. I thank him because it gives me an opportunity, without

appearing obtrusive, of explaining a part of a former publication of

mine, which appears to me to have been misunderstood by many.

In the former publication alluded to, I stated, in substance, that

Mr. Talbott got a deed from a son of Gen. Adams’s for the purpose of

correcting a mistake that had occurred on the record of the said deed

in the recorder’s office; that he corrected the record, and brought the

deed and handed it to me, and that on opening the deed, another paper,

being the assignment of a judgment, fell out of it. This statement

Gen. Adams and the editor of the Republican have seized upon as a most

palpable evidence of fabrication and falsehood. They set themselves

gravely about proving that the assignment could not have been in the

deed when Talbott got it from young Adams, as he, Talbott, would have

seen it when he opened the deed to correct the record. Now, the truth

is, Talbott did see the assignment when he opened the deed, or at least

he told me he did on the same day; and I only omitted to say so, in

my former publication, because it was a matter of such palpable and

necessary inference. I had stated that Talbott had corrected the record

by the deed; and of course he must have opened it; and, just as the

General and his friends argue, must have seen the assignment. I omitted

to state the fact of Talbott’s seeing the assignment, because its

existence was so necessarily connected with other facts which I did

state, that I thought the greatest dunce could not but understand

it. Did I say Talbott had not seen it? Did I say anything that was

inconsistent with his having seen it before? Most certainly I did

neither; and if I did not, what becomes of the argument? These logical

gentlemen can sustain their argument only by assuming that I did say

negatively everything that I did not say affirmatively; and upon the

same assumption, we may expect to find the General, if a little harder

pressed for argument, saying that I said Talbott came to our office with

his head downward, not that I actually said so, but because I omitted to

say he came feet downward.

In his publication to-day, the General produces the affidavit of Reuben

Radford, in which it is said that Talbott told Radford that he did not

find the assignment in the deed, in the recording of which the error

was committed, but that he found it wrapped in another paper in the

recorder’s office, upon which statement the Genl. comments as follows,

to wit: “If it be true as stated by Talbott to Radford, that he

found the assignment wrapped up in another paper at his office, that

contradicts the statement of Lincoln that it fell out of the deed.”

Is common sense to be abused with such sophistry? Did I say what Talbott

found it in? If Talbott did find it in another paper at his office, is

that any reason why he could not have folded it in a deed and brought

it to my office? Can any one be so far duped as to be made believe that

what may have happened at Talbot’s office at one time is inconsistent

with what happened at my office at another time?

Now Talbott’s statement of the case as he makes it to me is this, that

he got a bunch of deeds from young Adams, and that he knows he found the

assignment in the bunch, but he is not certain which particular deed it

was in, nor is he certain whether it was folded in the same deed out of

which it was taken, or another one, when it was brought to my office. Is

this a mysterious story? Is there anything suspicious about it?

“But it is useless to dwell longer on this point. Any man who is not

wilfully blind can see at a flash, that there is no discrepancy, and

Lincoln has shown that they are not only inconsistent with truth, but

each other”—I can only say, that I have shown that he has done no such

thing; and if the reader is disposed to require any other evidence than

the General’s assertion, he will be of my opinion.

Excepting the General’s most flimsy attempt at mystification, in regard

to a discrepance between Talbott and myself, he has not denied a single

statement that I made in my hand-bill. Every material statement that

I made has been sworn to by men who, in former times, were thought as

respectable as General Adams. I stated that an assignment of a judgment,

a copy of which I gave, had existed—Benj. Talbott, C. R. Matheny, Wm.

Butler, and Judge Logan swore to its existence. I stated that it was

said to be in Gen. Adams’s handwriting—the same men swore it was in

his handwriting. I stated that Talbott would swear that he got it out of

Gen. Adams’s possession—Talbott came forward and did swear it.

Bidding adieu to the former publication, I now propose to examine the

General’s last gigantic production. I now propose to point out some

discrepancies in the General’s address; and such, too, as he shall not

be able to escape from. Speaking of the famous assignment, the General

says: “This last charge, which was their last resort, their dying

effort to render my character infamous among my fellow citizens, was

manufactured at a certain lawyer’s office in the town, printed at the

office of the Sangamon Journal, and found its way into the world some

time between two days just before the last election.” Now turn to Mr.

Keys’ affidavit, in which you will find the following, viz.: “I

certify that some time in May or the early part of June, 1837, I saw

at Williams’s corner a paper purporting to be an assignment from Joseph

Anderson to James Adams, which assignment was signed by a mark to

Anderson’s name,” etc. Now mark, if Keys saw the assignment on the last

of May or first of June, Gen. Adams tells a falsehood when he says

it was manufactured just before the election, which was on the 7th of

August; and if it was manufactured just before the election, Keys tells

a falsehood when he says he saw it on the last of May or first of

June. Either Keys or the General is irretrievably in for it; and in the

General’s very condescending language, I say “Let them settle it between

them.”

Now again, let the reader, bearing in mind that General Adams has

unequivocally said, in one part of his address, that the charge in

relation to the assignment was manufactured just before the election,

turn to the affidavit of Peter S. Weber, where the following will be

found viz.: “I, Peter S. Weber, do certify that from the best of

my recollection, on the day or day after Gen. Adams started for the

Illinois Rapids, in May last, that I was at the house of Gen. Adams,

sitting in the kitchen, situated on the back part of the house, it being

in the afternoon, and that Benjamin Talbott came around the house, back

into the kitchen, and appeared wild and confused, and that he laid a

package of papers on the kitchen table and requested that they should be

handed to Lucian. He made no apology for coming to the kitchen, nor

for not handing them to Lucian himself, but showed the token of being

frightened and confused both in demeanor and speech and for what cause I

could not apprehend.”

Commenting on Weber’s affidavit, Gen. Adams asks, “Why this fright and

confusion?” I reply that this is a question for the General himself.

Weber says that it was in May, and if so, it is most clear that Talbott

was not frightened on account of the assignment, unless the General

lies when he says the assignment charge was manufactured just before the

election. Is it not a strong evidence, that the General is not traveling

with the pole-star of truth in his front, to see him in one part of

his address roundly asserting that the assignment was manufactured

just before the election, and then, forgetting that position, procuring

Weber’s most foolish affidavit, to prove that Talbott had been engaged

in manufacturing it two months before?

In another part of his address, Gen. Adams says: “That I hold an

assignment of said judgment, dated the 20th of May, 1828, and signed

by said Anderson, I have never pretended to deny or conceal, but stated

that fact in one of my circulars previous to the election, and also

in answer to a bill in chancery.” Now I pronounce this statement

unqualifiedly false, and shall not rely on the word or oath of any

man to sustain me in what I say; but will let the whole be decided by

reference to the circular and answer in chancery of which the General

speaks. In his circular he did speak of an assignment; but he did not

say it bore date 20th of May, 1828; nor did he say it bore any date. In

his answer in chancery, he did say that he had an assignment; but he

did not say that it bore date the 20th May, 1828; but so far from it, he

said on oath (for he swore to the answer) that as well as recollected,

he obtained it in 1827. If any one doubts, let him examine the circular

and answer for himself. They are both accessible.

It will readily be observed that the principal part of Adams’s defense

rests upon the argument that if he had been base enough to forge an

assignment he would not have been fool enough to forge one that would

not cover the case. This argument he used in his circular before the

election. The Republican has used it at least once, since then; and

Adams uses it again in his publication of to-day. Now I pledge myself to

show that he is just such a fool that he and his friends have contended

it was impossible for him to be. Recollect—he says he has a genuine

assignment; and that he got Joseph Klein’s affidavit, stating that he

had seen it, and that he believed the signature to have been executed

by the same hand that signed Anderson’s name to the answer in chancery.

Luckily Klein took a copy of this genuine assignment, which I have been

permitted to see; and hence I know it does not cover the case. In the

first place it is headed “Joseph Anderson vs. Joseph Miller,” and heads

off “Judgment in Sangamon Circuit Court.” Now, mark, there never was

a case in Sangamon Circuit Court entitled Joseph Anderson vs. Joseph

Miller. The case mentioned in my former publication, and the only

one between these parties that ever existed in the Circuit Court, was

entitled Joseph Miller vs. Joseph Anderson, Miller being the plaintiff.

What then becomes of all their sophistry about Adams not being fool

enough to forge an assignment that would not cover the case? It is

certain that the present one does not cover the case; and if he got

it honestly, it is still clear that he was fool enough to pay for an

assignment that does not cover the case.

The General asks for the proof of disinterested witnesses. Whom does he

consider disinterested? None can be more so than those who have already

testified against him. No one of them had the least interest on earth,

so far as I can learn, to injure him. True, he says they had conspired

against him; but if the testimony of an angel from Heaven were

introduced against him, he would make the same charge of conspiracy.

And now I put the question to every reflecting man, Do you believe that

Benjamin Talbott, Chas. R. Matheny, William Butler and Stephen T. Logan,

all sustaining high and spotless characters, and justly proud of them,

would deliberately perjure themselves, without any motive whatever,

except to injure a man’s election; and that, too, a man who had been a

candidate, time out of mind, and yet who had never been elected to any

office?

Adams’s assurance, in demanding disinterested testimony, is surpassing.

He brings in the affidavit of his own son, and even of Peter S. Weber,

with whom I am not acquainted, but who, I suppose, is some black or

mulatto boy, from his being kept in the kitchen, to prove his points;

but when such a man as Talbott, a man who, but two years ago, ran

against Gen. Adams for the office of Recorder and beat him more than

four votes to one, is introduced against him, he asks the community,

with all the consequence of a lord, to reject his testimony.

I might easily write a volume, pointing out inconsistencies between

the statements in Adams’s last address with one another, and with other

known facts; but I am aware the reader must already be tired with

the length of this article. His opening statements, that he was first

accused of being a Tory, and that he refuted that; that then the

Sampson’s ghost story was got up, and he refuted that; that as a last

resort, a dying effort, the assignment charge was got up is all as false

as hell, as all this community must know. Sampson’s ghost first made

its appearance in print, and that, too, after Keys swears he saw the

assignment, as any one may see by reference to the files of papers; and

Gen. Adams himself, in reply to the Sampson’s ghost story, was the first

man that raised the cry of toryism, and it was only by way of set-off,

and never in seriousness, that it was bandied back at him. His effort is

to make the impression that his enemies first made the charge of toryism

and he drove them from that, then Sampson’s ghost, he drove them from

that, then finally the assignment charge was manufactured just before

election. Now, the only general reply he ever made to the Sampson’s

ghost and tory charges he made at one and the same time, and not in

succession as he states; and the date of that reply will show, that it

was made at least a month after the date on which Keys swears he saw the

Anderson assignment. But enough. In conclusion I will only say that I

have a character to defend as well as Gen. Adams, but I disdain to whine

about it as he does. It is true I have no children nor kitchen boys; and

if I had, I should scorn to lug them in to make affidavits for me.

A. LINCOLN, September 6, 1837.

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