TESTIMONY OF DR. CHARLES JAMES CARRICO

The CHAIRMAN. All right, Dr. Carrico, you know the reason why we are

here, what we are investigating.

If you will raise your right hand, please, and be sworn, sir.

You solemnly swear the testimony you give before this Commission shall

be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you

God?

Dr. CARRICO. I do.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Specter will conduct the examination.

Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Carrico, will you state your full name for the record

please?

Dr. CARRICO. Charles James Carrico.

Mr. SPECTER. And what is your address, Dr. Carrico?

Dr. CARRICO. Home address?

Mr. SPECTER. Please.

Dr. CARRICO. It is 2605 Ridgwood in Irving.

Mr. SPECTER. What is your professional address?

Dr. CARRICO. Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, Tex.

Mr. SPECTER. How old are you, sir?

Dr. CARRICO. 28.

Mr. SPECTER. Will you outline briefly your educational background?

Dr. CARRICO. I attended grade school and high school in Denton, Tex.;

received a Bachelor of Science in Chemistry from North Texas State

University in 1947; received my M.D. from the University of Texas

Southwestern Medical School in 1961; served an internship at Parkland

Memorial Hospital from 1961 to 1962; and then did a year of fellowship

at the surgery department at Southwestern Medical School, followed by

my surgery residency at Parkland Hospital.

Mr. SPECTER. Are you duly licensed to practice medicine in the State of

Texas, Dr. Carrico?

Dr. CARRICO. Yes; I am.

Mr. SPECTER. Are you board certified at the present time or are you

working toward the board certification in surgery?

Dr. CARRICO. I am engaged in surgery residency which will qualify me

for board certification.

Mr. SPECTER. What experience have you had, if any, with gunshot wounds?

Dr. CARRICO. In the emergency room at Parkland, during my residence

school and internship and residency, we have seen a fair number of

gunshot wounds.

Mr. SPECTER. Could you approximate the number of gunshot wounds you

have treated in the course of those duties?

Dr. CARRICO. In all probably 150, 200, something in that range.

Mr. SPECTER. What were your duties at Parkland Memorial Hospital on

November 22, 1963?

Dr. CARRICO. At that time I was assigned to the elective surgery

service, which is the general surgery service treating the usual

surgical cases. I was in the emergency room evaluating some patient for

admission.

Mr. SPECTER. What were you doing specifically in the neighborhood of

12:30 p.m. on that day?

Dr. CARRICO. At that time I had been called to the emergency room to

evaluate a patient for admission to the hospital.

Mr. SPECTER. Were you notified that an emergency case involving

President Kennedy was en route to the hospital?

Dr. CARRICO. Yes, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to the time that you were

notified that President Kennedy was en route to the hospital?

Dr. CARRICO. Shortly after 12:30 is the best I can do.

Mr. SPECTER. How long thereafter was it that he actually did arrive at

Parkland, to the best of your recollection?

Dr. CARRICO. Within 2 minutes approximately.

Mr. SPECTER. And precisely where were you at Parkland when you first

observed him?

Dr. CARRICO. When I first observed him I was in the emergency room,

seeing--actually Governor Connally had been brought in first, as you

know, Dr. Dulany and I had gone to care for Governor Connally and when

the President was brought in I left Governor Connally and went to care

for the President.

Mr. SPECTER. Will you describe briefly the physical layout of Parkland

with respect to the point where emergency cases are brought up to the

building and the general layout of the building into the emergency room.

Dr. CARRICO. The emergency entrance is at the back of the building.

There is an ambulance ramp. Then immediately adjacent to the ambulance

ramp are, of course, double doors, swinging doors and a corridor which

is approximately 30 feet long and empties directly into the emergency

room.

Then inside the emergency room are several areas, the surgical area

consists of about eight booths for treating, examination and treatment

of patients, and four large emergency operating rooms.

Two of these are specifically set aside for acutely ill, severely ill,

patients and these are referred to as trauma rooms.

Mr. SPECTER. And were these trauma rooms used in connection with the

treatment of President Kennedy and Governor Connally?

Dr. CARRICO. Yes, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. What precisely was the point where you met at his arrival?

Dr. CARRICO. The President was being wheeled into trauma room one when

I saw him.

Mr. SPECTER. Who else, if anyone, was present at that time?

Dr. CARRICO. At that time, Dr. Don Curtis, Martin White.

The CHAIRMAN. Was he a doctor, too?

Dr. CARRICO. Yes, sir; Miss Bowron.

Mr. SPECTER. Who is Miss Bowron?

Dr. CARRICO. She is one of the nurses on duty at the emergency room.

Mr. SPECTER. Who was the first doctor to actually see the President?

Dr. CARRICO. I was.

Mr. SPECTER. Now, what did you observe as to the condition of President

Kennedy when you first saw him?

Dr. CARRICO. He was on an ambulance cart, emergency cart, rather. His

color was blue white, ashen. He had slow agonal respiration, spasmodic

respirations without any coordination. He was making no voluntary

movements. His eyes were open, pupils were seen to be dilated and later

were seen not to react to light. This was the initial impression.

Mr. SPECTER. What was the status of his pulse at the time of arrival?

Dr. CARRICO. He had no palpable pulse.

Mr. SPECTER. And was he making any movements at the time of arrival?

Dr. CARRICO. No voluntary movements, only the spasmodic respirations.

Mr. SPECTER. Was any heartbeat noted at his arrival?

Dr. CARRICO. After these initial observations we opened his shirt,

coat, listened very briefly to his chest, heard a few sounds which we

felt to be heartbeats and then proceeded with the remainder of the

examination.

Mr. SPECTER. In your opinion was President Kennedy alive or dead on his

arrival at Parkland.

Dr. CARRICO. From a medical standpoint I suppose he was still alive in

that he did still have a heartbeat?

Mr. SPECTER. What action, if any, was taken with respect to the removal

of President Kennedy's clothing?

Dr. CARRICO. As I said after I had opened his shirt and coat, I

proceeded with the examination and the nurses removed his clothing as

is the usual procedure.

Mr. SPECTER. Was President Kennedy wearing a back brace?

Dr. CARRICO. Yes; he was.

Mr. SPECTER. Would you describe as precisely as you can that back brace?

Dr. CARRICO. As I recall, this was a white cotton or some sort of fiber

standard brace with stays and corset, in a corset-type arrangement and

buckles.

Mr. SPECTER. How far up on his body did it come?

Dr. CARRICO. Just below his umbilicus, as I recall.

Mr. SPECTER. How far down on his body did it go?

Dr. CARRICO. I did not examine below his belt at that time.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you at any time examine below his belt?

Dr. CARRICO. I did not; no, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. Do you know if anyone else did?

Dr. CARRICO. Not in a formal manner.

Mr. SPECTER. What action did you take by way of treating President

Kennedy on his arrival?

Dr. CARRICO. After what we have described we completed an initial

emergency examination, which consisted of, as we have already said,

his color, his pulse, we felt his back, determined there were no

large wounds which would be an immediate threat to life there. Looked

very briefly at the head wound and then because of his inadequate

respirations inserted an endotracheal tube to attempt to support these

respirations.

Mr. SPECTER. Specifically what did you do with respect to the back, Dr.

Carrico?

Dr. CARRICO. This is a routine examination of critically ill patients

where you haven't got time to examine him fully. I just placed my hands

just above the belt, but in this case just above the brace, and ran my

hands up his back.

Mr. SPECTER. To what point on his body?

Dr. CARRICO. All the way up to his neck very briefly.

Mr. SPECTER. What did you feel by that?

Dr. CARRICO. I felt nothing other than the blood and debris. There was

no large wound there.

Mr. SPECTER. What source did you attribute the blood to at that time?

Dr. CARRICO. As it could have come from the head wound, and it

certainly could have been a back wound, but there was no way to tell

whether this blood would have come from a back wound and not from his

head.

Mr. SPECTER. What action did you next take then?

Dr. CARRICO. At that time the endotracheal tube was inserted, using a

curved laryngoscopic blade, inserting an endotracheal tube, it was seen

there were some contusions, hematoma to the right of the larynx, with

a minimal deviation of the larynx to the left, and ragged tissue below

indicating tracheal injury.

The tube was inserted past this injury, and the cuff inflater was

connected to a Bennett machine which is a respiratory assistor using

positive pressure.

Mr. SPECTER. Will you describe briefly what you mean in lay terms by a

cuffed endotracheal tube?

Dr. CARRICO. This is a plastic tube which is inserted into the trachea,

into the windpipe, to allow an adequate airway, adequate breathing. The

cuff is a small latex cuff which should prevent leakage of air around

the tube, thus insuring an adequate airway.

Mr. SPECTER. Will you continue, then, to describe what efforts you made

to revive the President.

Dr. CARRICO. After the endotracheal tube was inserted and connected,

I listened briefly to his chest, respirations were better but still

inadequate.

Dr. Perry arrived, and because of the inadequate respirations the

presence of a tracheal injury, advised that the chest tube was to be

inserted, this was done by some of the other physicians in the room.

At the same time we had been getting the airway inserted Dr. Curtis

and Dr. White were doing a cutdown, venous section using polyethylene

catheters through which fluid, medicine and blood could be administered.

Mr. SPECTER. Will you describe in lay language what you mean by a

cutdown in relationship to what they did in this case?

Dr. CARRICO. This was a small incision over his ankle and a tube was

inserted into one of his veins through which blood could be given,

fluid.

Mr. SPECTER. Is the general purpose of that to maintain a circulatory

system?

Dr. CARRICO. Right.

Mr. SPECTER. In wounded parties?

Dr. CARRICO. Yes.

(At this point, Representative Ford entered the hearing room.)

Mr. SPECTER. Would you now proceed again to describe what else was done

for the President in an effort to save his life?

Dr. CARRICO. Sure. Dr. Perry then took over supervision and treatment,

and the chest tubes were inserted, another cutdown was done by Dr.

Jones on the President's arm.

Fluid, as I said, was given, blood was given, hydrocortisone was given.

Dr. Clark, the chief neurosurgeon, Dr. Bashour, cardiologist, was there

or arrived, and a cardiac monitor was attached and although I never saw

any electro-activity, Dr. Clark said there was some electrical activity

of the heart which means he was still trying to----

Mr. SPECTER. What is Dr. Clark's position in the hospital?

Dr. CARRICO. He is chief of the neurosurgery department and professor

of the neurosurgery.

Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Carrico, will you continue to tell us then what

treatment you rendered the President?

Dr. CARRICO. When this electrocardiac activity ceased, close cardiac

massage was begun. Using this, and fluids and airway we were able

to maintain fairly good color, apparently fairly good peripheral

circulation as monitored by carotid and radial pulses for a period of

time. These efforts were abandoned when it was determined by Dr. Clark

that there was no continued cardiac response. There was no cerebral

response, that is the pupils remained dilated and fixed; there was

evidence of anoxia.

Mr. SPECTER. Will you describe in lay language what anoxia means?

Dr. CARRICO. No oxygen.

Mr. SPECTER. Was cardiac massage applied in this situation?

Dr. CARRICO. Yes, sir; it was, excellent cardiac massage.

Mr. SPECTER. Were bloods administered to the President?

Dr. CARRICO. Yes, sir.

(At this point, Mr. Dulles entered the hearing room.)

Mr. SPECTER. Dr. Carrico, was any action taken with respect to the

adrenalin insufficiency of President Kennedy?

Dr. CARRICO. Yes, sir; he was given 300 milligrams of hydrocortisone

which is an adrenal hormone.

Mr. SPECTER. And what was the reason for the administration of that

drug?

Dr. CARRICO. It was recalled that the President had been said to have

adrenal insufficiency.

Mr. SPECTER. Now, at what time was the death of the President

pronounced, Doctor?

Dr. CARRICO. At 1 o'clock.

Mr. SPECTER. Who pronounced the death of the President?

Dr. CARRICO. Dr. Clark, I believe.

Mr. SPECTER. Was that a precise time fixed or a general time fixed for

the point of death?

Dr. CARRICO. This was a general time, sir.

Mr. SPECTER. What, in your opinion, was the cause of death?

Dr. CARRICO. The head wound, the head injury.

Mr. SPECTER. Will you describe as specifically as you can the head

wound which you have already mentioned briefly?

Dr. CARRICO. Sure.

This was a 5- by 71-cm defect in the posterior skull, the occipital

region. There was an absence of the calvarium or skull in this area,

with shredded tissue, brain tissue present and initially considerable

slow oozing. Then after we established some circulation there was more

profuse bleeding from this wound.

Mr. SPECTER. Was any other wound observed on the head in addition to

this large opening where the skull was absent?

Dr. CARRICO. No other wound on the head.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you have any opportunity specifically to look for a

small wound which was below the large opening of the skull on the right

side of the head?

Dr. CARRICO. No, sir; at least initially there was no time to examine

the patient completely for all small wounds. As we said before, this

was an acutely ill patient and all we had time to do was to determine

what things were life-threatening right then and attempt to resuscitate

him and after which a more complete examination would be carried out

and we didn't have time to examine for other wounds.

Mr. SPECTER. Was such a more complete examination ever carried out by

the doctors in Parkland?

Dr. CARRICO. No, sir; not in my presence.

Mr. SPECTER. Why not?

Dr. CARRICO. As we said initially this was an acute emergency situation

and there was not time initially and when the cardiac massage was done

this prevented any further examination during this time this was being

done. After the President was pronounced dead his wife was there, he

was the President, and we felt certainly that complete examination

would be carried out and no one had the heart, I believe, to examine

him then.

Mr. SPECTER. Will you describe, as specifically as you can then, the

neck wounds which you heretofore mentioned briefly?

Dr. CARRICO. There was a small wound, 5- to 8-mm. in size, located in

the lower third of the neck, below the thyroid cartilage, the Adams

apple.

Mr. DULLES. Will you show us about where it was?

Dr. CARRICO. Just about where your tie would be.

Mr. DULLES. Where did it enter?

Dr. CARRICO. It entered?

Mr. DULLES. Yes.

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