Mr. DULLES. Mr. Callaway, in the absence of the Chief Justice, I am
presiding over the meeting of the Commission this morning.
Would you kindly raise your right hand?
Do you swear that the testimony that you will give to this Commission
is the truth, the whole truth, so help you God?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES. And nothing but the truth?
Mr. CALLAWAY. That is correct.
Mr. DULLES. You may be seated.
Mr. Ball, will you proceed?
Mr. BALL. Mr. Callaway, we are investigating the assassination of
President Kennedy. We are going to ask you questions with regard to
what you saw on the day of November 22, 1963, in Dallas.
Where do you live?
Mr. CALLAWAY. 805 West Eighth.
Mr. BALL. What is your business?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Car salesman.
Mr. BALL. We would like to know something about your background. We ask
most of the witnesses these questions.
Where were you born?
Mr. CALLAWAY. In Dallas.
Mr. BALL. Were you raised in Dallas?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Went to school in Dallas?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. How old are you?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Forty.
Mr. BALL. How far through school did you go?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Two years of college.
Mr. BALL. What college?
Mr. CALLAWAY. S.M.U.
Mr. BALL. And what did you do after you got out of college?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I worked part time as a clothing salesman downtown, and
then my uncle was a painter, and I worked for him for awhile. Then I
went back in the Marines for 3 years.
And I have been selling cars since '56.
Mr. BALL. You are a used-car salesman?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Where were you employed--have you had any trouble with the
police of any sort?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No.
Mr. BALL. Any difficulty at all in your life?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No, sir; never.
Mr. BALL. You were discharged from the Marines, were you?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What year?
Mr. CALLAWAY. 1954.
Mr. BALL. Received an honorable discharge from the service?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. On November 22, 1963, where were you working?
Mr. CALLAWAY. At Harris Bros., auto sales.
Mr. BALL. And what was your job?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I was used-car manager.
Mr. BALL. Now, Harris Bros. Auto Sales is located where?
Mr. CALLAWAY. 501 East Jefferson.
Mr. BALL. Where is that from 10th and Patton?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Just one block.
Mr. BALL. One block south?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What corner?
Mr. CALLAWAY. It would be on the northeast corner.
Mr. BALL. So that we can orient ourselves from 10th and Patton--I have
marked this diagram as Commission Exhibit 537.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 537 for
identification.)
Mr. BALL. Now, Mr. Callaway, will you, on 537, take this and mark the
location of the used car lot with an "X"?
Mr. CALLAWAY. All right, sir.
Right here.
Mr. BALL. The "X" marks the position of the used-car lot?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Now, Mr. Callaway, around 1:15 or so of that day, where were
you?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I was standing on the front porch of our office.
Mr. BALL. That is at 401 East Jefferson?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No; 501.
Mr. BALL. I will show you a picture which we will mark as 538.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 538 for
identification.)
Mr. BALL. Does this show a picture of the office?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir. That is it.
Mr. BALL. Now, you went down there one day last week to have some
pictures taken.
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you attempt to stand in the same place you were at the
time?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where you were standing November 22d around 1 o'clock or so?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you hear at that time?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I heard what sounded to me like five pistol shots.
Mr. BALL. Five pistol shots?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Five shots, yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. From the sound, could you tell the source of the sound?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir, I could tell it was back of the lot over toward
10th Street.
Mr. BALL. And what did you do?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I ran out to the sidewalk on Patton.
Mr. BALL. And what did you see?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Well, I could see--I was still--before I got to the
sidewalk, I could see this taxicab parked down on Patton. I saw the
cabdriver beside his cab, and saw a man cutting from one side of the
street to the other. That would be the east side of Patton and over to
the west side of Patton. And he was running. And he had a gun in his
hand, his right hand.
Mr. BALL. And how was he holding the gun?
Mr. CALLAWAY. We used to say in the Marine Corps in a raised pistol
position.
Mr. BALL. That would be with the muzzle pointed upward, and with the
arm bent at the elbow, is that right?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir; just like this.
Mr. BALL. I have a picture here, 539.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 539 for
identification.)
Mr. BALL. When this picture was taken, did you try to represent the
place you were standing when you saw the man?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. How did you get there?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I ran.
Mr. BALL. You ran from the place on the porch, is that right?
Mr. CALLAWAY. That is right. From right here, to there.
Mr. BALL. Now, you were at the place shown on 538, on the porch?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And when you heard the shots, what did you do?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I just hurried--I don't know whether I really ran or not.
But I hurried off the side of this porch and came to this position.
Mr. BALL. All right. When you came to this position, you say you saw a
taxicab?
Mr. DULLES. Where is this position on this chart? Right here?
Mr. CALLAWAY. It would be about right here. I come off the porch here.
Mr. DULLES. Point 29?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. You saw a taxicab where, on photo 29?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Right here.
Mr. BALL. Let's mark an arrow there, about where you saw the taxicab.
The arrow marks the position of the taxicab. You saw a man?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. He was crossing Patton?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Was that to the south or the north of the taxicab? Closer to
you than the taxicab?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Was he running or walking?
Mr. CALLAWAY. He was running.
Mr. BALL. And where were you when you noticed he had the gun? Or where
was he when you noticed he had the gun?
Mr. CALLAWAY. When I first saw the gun, he had already crossed from
here to here and was coming up this sidewalk.
Mr. BALL. Coming up the sidewalk on which side of Patton?
Mr. CALLAWAY. West side of Patton.
Mr. BALL. And did he continue to come?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And did you say anything to him?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did you say?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I hollered "Hey, man, what the hell is going on?" When he
was right along here.
Mr. BALL. Make a mark there where he was when you yelled, "What the
hell is going on?" "X" marks the place where the man with the gun was
when you yelled at him?
Mr. CALLAWAY. That is right.
Mr. DULLES. Would you mark it on this chart, too--Exhibit 537?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Right along here--about 27. I guess. That would be it.
You see, here is where I was, sir. And then he was right there when I
hollered at him.
Mr. DULLES. I don't get this. There is an alleyway there, apparently.
Mr. CALLAWAY. That is right.
Mr. DULLES. But here is where the squad car was.
Mr. CALLAWAY. That is right.
Mr. DULLES. And here is where the cab was.
Mr. CALLAWAY. That is right.
Mr. DULLES. He had come all the way down?
Mr. CALLAWAY. He had come from there through this yard and cut behind
this taxicab, over to this side of the street.
Mr. DULLES. So he was there, then?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No, sir. I didn't holler at him until he came up to here.
He was running up this sidewalk.
Mr. DULLES. He was going south on Patton?
Mr. CALLAWAY. On the west side of the street.