Mr. BELIN. When you met in the lunchroom----

Mrs. REID. I didn't meet him in the lunchroom.

Mr. BELIN. Pardon me, when you met in the office, which direction

were you going, looking toward Exhibit 497, as you look on it, which

direction were you going toward the left or right?

Mrs. REID. You mean as I came in the office? I turned in and turned to

my left.

Mr. BELIN. That would be heading in a westerly direction is that right?

Mrs. REID. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. What direction was Oswald walking?

Mrs. REID. He was going east.

Mr. BELIN. Did you see him actually walk through or coming through the

door there?

Mrs. REID. He had just gotten to the door, was stepping in as I glanced

up.

Mr. BELIN. He was stepping in as you glanced up?

Mrs. REID. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Had you ever--you said, I will put it this way, had you ever

seen Oswald in that second floor office space before apart from the

time of getting his pay?

Mrs. REID. Well, one other time he came in, now he might have been in

to get that change for this time but I didn't see him going up there,

and he made a remark to one of the girls back there and she said,

"Well, he sure is calm." And I said, "What did he say to you?"

And she says, "I have a baby," and he stopped and I said, "Well, he

is pretty calm just having a new baby," and outside of that I never

remember seeing him other than to come in to get change.

Mr. BELIN. What about the other men in the warehouse, did they have

occasion to come into that office space?

Mrs. REID. Occasionally they come up to get change.

Mr. BELIN. Apart from getting change or getting paid?

Mrs. REID. No; very seldom unless they are sent up there to get

something. I mean they just don't come in there and wander around. It

is some business for them.

Now, I did see him in the lunchroom a few times prior to this eating

his lunch but I didn't even know his name.

Mr. BELIN. Did you know his name on the day you saw him?

Mrs. REID. No; I did not. When I saw his picture I still didn't know

his name until they told us who it was.

Mr. BELIN. How did you know the person you saw was Lee Harvey Oswald on

the second floor?

Mrs. REID. Because it looked just like him.

Mr. BELIN. You mean the picture with the name Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mrs. REID. Oh, yes.

Mr. BELIN. But you had seen him in the building?

Mrs. REID. Other than that day, sure.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what clothes he had on when you saw him?

Mrs. REID. What he was wearing, he had on a white T-shirt and some kind

of wash trousers. What color I couldn't tell you.

Mr. BELIN. I am going to hand you what has been marked Commission

Exhibit, first 157 and then 158, and I will ask you if either or both

look like they might have been the trousers that you saw him wear or

can you tell?

Mrs. REID. I just couldn't be positive about that. I would rather not

say, because I just cannot.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember whether he had any shirt or jacket on over

his T-shirt?

Mrs. REID. He did not. He did not have any jacket on.

Mr. BELIN. Have you ever seen anyone working at the book depository

wearing any kind of a shirt or jacket similar to Commission Exhibit 150

or do you know?

Mrs. REID. No; I do not. I have never, so far as I know ever seen that

shirt. I have been asked about that shirt before, I have seen it once

before but not since all this happened.

Mr. BELIN. All right. Mrs. Reid, if a person were in the lunchroom

with a coke on the second floor, and then wanted to get to the front

stairway or front elevator, would there be only one route to get there

or would there be more than one?

Mrs. REID. Yes; he could either go around this hallway, or back here in

this hallway or he could have gotten through our office or----

Mr. BELIN. All right.

I wonder if in the first hallway you could mark route 1 there so we

have it on 496.

Mrs. REID. Does it matter?

Mr. BELIN. That is fine.

Mrs. REID. You said the front stairway, too?

Mr. BELIN. That is the front stairway. You have put a number 1, I am

going to put "R-1".

Mrs. REID. All right.

Mr. BELIN. And that will be one hallway to go down to get from the

lunchroom to the front stairway?

Mrs. REID. That is right.

Mr. BELIN. Now, would there be another way to get there?

Mrs. REID. He can come through the office.

Mr. BELIN. You could come through the office?

Mrs. REID. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Which is the way Lee Harvey Oswald was walking?

Mrs. REID. That is right.

Mr. BELIN. Would any one way be faster than the other or not?

Mrs. REID. It couldn't be very much faster because it is practically

the same distance here that it is here and you have got this hallway

there.

Mr. BELIN. So, either "R-1" or going through the office marked 29 would

be approximately the same?

Mrs. REID. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Now, where you saw Lee Harvey Oswald is there kind of a

pathway through there without any obstructions for desks?

Mrs. REID. Yes; there is, sort of a passageway.

Mr. BELIN. You passed at point what you have marked with an "X"?

Mrs. REID. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Is that correct?

Mrs. REID. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. With an "R" and "X" to it?

Mrs. REID. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Did Lee Harvey Oswald walk past you?

Mrs. REID. Yes; he did.

Mr. BELIN. Kept on walking in the same direction?

Mrs. REID. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. How far did you see him go?

Mrs. REID. I didn't turn around to look. He went on straight, he did

not go on past the back door because I was facing that way. What he did

after that----

Mr. BELIN. But you know he did not go out the same back door he came in?

Mrs. REID. No; he did not.

Mr. BELIN. Do you know whether or not he went into the conference room?

Mrs. REID. Well, I wouldn't think he did because this door off here was

locked and I had unlocked it for the policeman myself.

Mr. BELIN. All right, let's put an arrow here to the door that you say

was locked, and we will put--do you want to put in the word "locked" in

there, if you would, please?

Mrs. REID. All right.

Mr. DULLES. On which side was it locked or did you take the key away,

was it locked so that you----

Mrs. REID. I would go in from this way. I wasn't going in from our

office into the conference room.

Mr. DULLES. And you locked that door?

Mrs. REID. We did. They had asked me, I went in there with the

policeman into the conference room.

Mr. DULLES. Did you take the key?

Mrs. REID. Yes, sir; I did, I got it for Mr. Williams.

Mr. DULLES. No; I mean after you locked the door do you leave the key

in the lock?

Mrs. REID. No.

Mr. BELIN. What I want to know is this, Mrs. Reid. When you came

back up into the building after the shooting and you walked into the

conference room, at that time was the door which you have marked

"locked," was it locked at that time when you came in?

Mrs. REID. Yes, sir; it was to--it was locked when I got to it, I will

say that.

Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this. Had you been the one who had locked it

before or don't you know?

Mrs. REID. Oh, no, I couldn't say that because too many people used the

conference room.

I would have no way of knowing who locked it or if it is left unlocked.

The porter locks it in the evening.

Mr. BELIN. All right.

If one is locking that door with a key do you lock the door from the

inside of the conference room?

Mrs. REID. Either way.

Mr. BELIN. Or the outside, either way?

Mrs. REID. Either way.

Mr. BELIN. Who has custody of the key?

Mrs. REID. I got that from Mr. Williams' desk, because that is where

I got it from, and then the porter has one. I could not say. They all

have the keys.

Mr. BELIN. When did you get it to unlock the door?

Mrs. REID. Well, by the time the policeman got there and started

searching our floor. I can't recall whether I had taken him into the

lounge first because they had me to go in there with him, the ladies'

lounge, or whether they went in there because there is a little stand

in here that Mr. Cason uses when we have a conference, and he jerked it

back because it would have been humanly possible for a person to have

gotten in there, but it was up against the wall and there was no one

there.

Mr. BELIN. Would this have been more or less than 5 minutes after you

got back in the building that you opened the lounge?

Mrs. REID. That is where you all get me in this time because I was not

watching the clock that day.

Mr. BELIN. That is all right.

Mrs. REID. Time really didn't mean anything to us because they, the

police officers, just came in on us and began to ask so many questions.

Mr. BELIN. When you were at point "RX" and moving, if someone would

have walked into the conference room would you have heard him in any

way?

Mrs. REID. I could have heard him open the door.

Mr. BELIN. You could hear them open the door. During the time, the

period of time you were there and saw Lee Harvey Oswald, did you hear

anyone open the door to the conference room?

Mrs. REID. I do not recall any.

Mr. BELIN. From your best judgment, if Lee Harvey Oswald didn't go

into the conference room and didn't go back to the door marked around

between 27 and 28, how would he have gotten out of the office?

Mrs. REID. Right straight out this door down this stairway and out the

front door.

Mr. BELIN. You are saying right down the hallway in the direction in

which the arrow number 29 is pointing?

Mrs. REID. That is right.

Mr. BELIN. Down through the hall and down through the front stairway.

Have you ever talked to anyone there who ever saw Lee Harvey Oswald

leave the building?

Mrs. REID. No; I haven't.

Mr. BELIN. Do you know of your own personal knowledge how he got out of

the building?

Mrs. REID. No; I do not, I do not. I have no idea.

Mr. BELIN. Mrs. Reid, did you notice whether or not the man you ran

into on the second floor whom you now identify as Lee Harvey Oswald was

carrying anything in either arm other than a coke?

Mrs. REID. No.

Mr. BELIN. Was the coke full or empty?

Mrs. REID. It was full.

Mr. BELIN. It was full.

Was there anything else you noticed about him?

Mrs. REID. No.

Mr. BELIN. Anything about the expression on his face?

Mrs. REID. No; just calm.

Mr. BELIN. Anything about whether or not his clothes were clean or

dirty?

Mrs. REID. Well, they were clean.

Mr. BELIN. Anything about whether or not his hair was combed or mussed?

Mrs. REID. No; I did not. There wasn't anything unusual.

Mr. BELIN. You say he mumbled something?

Mrs. REID. He did.

Mr. BELIN. Could you even remember one word that he mumbled?

Mrs. REID. I did not because he kept moving and I did, too, and I was

just not interested in what he was saying, it was just the excitement

of time and I didn't even say, "What did you say?" because I wasn't

interested.

Mr. DULLES. Was he moving fast?

Mrs. REID. No; because he was moving at a very slow pace, I never did

see him moving fast at any time.

Mr. BELIN. He was moving just at his normal walk?

Mrs. REID. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember whether he was wearing any pieces of jewelry

like a watch or bracelet or ring or something?

Mrs. REID. No; I do not remember that.

Mr. BELIN. Mrs. Reid, did you ever have any personal contact with Lee

Harvey Oswald about such things as his paycheck or anything like that?

Mrs. REID. No; I did not.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what hand he was carrying his coke in?

Mrs. REID. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. In what hand?

Mrs. REID. In his right hand.

Mr. BELIN. Mrs. Reid, we thank you very much.

Mr. DULLES. Just one moment.

Mr. BELIN. Pardon me, do you have a question, sir?

Mr. DULLES. How many times do you think you saw Mr. Oswald during the

period he was employed?

Mrs. REID. My goodness.

Mr. DULLES. Roughly.

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