Mr. BALL. When you go in and wash up, where did you go to wash up?
Mr. NORMAN. In the men's bathroom.
Mr. BALL. Is that bathroom near the domino room or off the domino room?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; that is the one off the domino room.
Mr. BALL. It is the one near the domino room?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; one near the domino room.
Mr. BALL. Right next to it?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. After you washed up, what did you do?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, I got my lunch, I ate my lunch in the domino room.
Mr. BALL. Did you bring your lunch from home that day?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I believe I did.
Mr. BALL. And in what kind of a package did you bring it?
Mr. NORMAN. A brown paper sack, paper bag.
Mr. BALL. Where did you keep your lunch or leave your lunch from 8 in
the morning until you got it at noon?
Mr. NORMAN. I left it in the window of the domino room.
Mr. BALL. Did you notice any other packages in that window that morning?
Mr. NORMAN. I can't say that I noticed any that morning but I know that
some of the fellows did keep their lunches in there.
Mr. BALL. Did you notice anything, any unusual package in there that
day?
Mr. NORMAN. No; I didn't.
Mr. BALL. You got your lunch and did you eat your lunch?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I ate my lunch.
Mr. BALL. Where were you when you ate your lunch?
Mr. NORMAN. In the domino room, as I recall.
Mr. BALL. Who was with you at that time?
Mr. NORMAN. I can't remember who ate in the lunchroom, I mean the
domino room, with me.
Mr. BALL. Did some other employees eat there?
Mr. NORMAN. I think there was someone else in there because we usually
played dominoes in there but that particular day we didn't play that
morning.
Mr. BALL. Why didn't you play that morning?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, didn't nobody show up there to play like the guys
usually come in to play.
Mr. BALL. You usually play dominoes during the noon hour?
Mr. NORMAN. Noon hour and the break period.
Mr. BALL. After you ate your lunch, what did you do?
Mr. NORMAN. I got with James Jarman, he and I got together on the first
floor.
Mr. BALL. Where was James Jarman when you got together with him?
Mr. NORMAN. He was somewhere in the vicinity of the telephone, I
believe. I am not for sure.
Mr. BALL. Out near the bins?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What do you call James Jarman?
Mr. NORMAN. Junior.
Mr. BALL. And you and Junior did what?
Mr. NORMAN. We went outside.
Mr. BALL. You went out the front door, did you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. That is the Elm Street?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where did you stand?
Mr. NORMAN. We stood on the Elm Street sidewalk.
Mr. BALL. On the sidewalk?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes. We didn't go any further than that point.
Mr. BALL. What time was it that you went out there?
Mr. NORMAN. Oh, I would say, I don't know exactly, around 12 or 12:10,
something like that.
Mr. BALL. Who was standing with you when you were standing on the
sidewalk, on the Elm Street sidewalk?
Mr. NORMAN. I remember it was Danny Arce.
Mr. BALL. And who else?
Mr. NORMAN. I remember seeing Mr. Truly and Mr. Campbell. They were
standing somewhere behind us, not exactly behind us but they were back
of us.
Mr. BALL. Anybody else?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, I believe Billy Lovelady, I think. He was sitting on
the steps there.
Mr. BALL. He was?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes. That is about all the employees I remember seeing out
there. There were more people out there.
Mr. BALL. Did you stay there?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, we stayed there I believe until we got the news that
the motorcade was coming down, let's see, is that Commerce, no Main,
because Commerce--we went back in the building, James Jarman and I.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go when you went in the building?
Mr. NORMAN. We got the east elevator. No; the west.
Mr. BALL. The west elevator?
Mr. NORMAN. The west elevator. And went to the fifth floor.
Mr. BALL. The west elevator is the one you use the push button on?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; the one you pull the gate.
Mr. BALL. That is right. It is a push button elevator.
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And you went up to the fifth floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Fifth floor.
Mr. BALL. Why did you go to the fifth floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Usually, one reason was you usually fill orders, I fill
quite a few orders from the fifth floor and I figured I could get, you
know, a better view of the parade or motorcade or whatever it is from
the fifth floor because I was more familiar with that floor.
Mr. BALL. And what did you and Junior do after you got off the elevator?
Mr. NORMAN. We walked around to the windows facing Elm Street and I
can't recall if any were open or not but I remember we opened some, two
or three windows ourselves.
Mr. BALL. Did somebody join you there?
Mr. NORMAN. Bonnie Ray, I can't remember if he was there when we got
there or he came later. I know he was with us a period of time later.
Mr. BALL. And then did he come down before the President's motorcade
came by?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; he was with us before the motorcade came by.
Mr. BALL. Did you move around any from one window to another before the
motorcade?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, if I did I didn't move no further than those three
windows that were open in the front there. I didn't move any further
than that.
Mr. BALL. I show you some pictures here. This is Commission Exhibit No.
482. Do you recognize anybody in that window?
Mr. NORMAN. That is myself and that is Bonnie Ray Williams.
Mr. BALL. "Myself" is pointed to as to the window in the extreme
southeast corner of the fifth floor, is that right?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And Bonnie Ray is in the window next to you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. I show you 480. Do you see the window in which you were
looking?
Mr. NORMAN. That window is where I was looking.
Mr. BALL. In other words, you were looking in the extreme southeast
corner?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Put over here a red arrow which shows the window from which
you were looking.
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Here is 482. Do you see your picture in that window?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. The same picture?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Point out your picture on 482.
Mr. NORMAN. That is myself.
Mr. BALL. I will point that out with a red arrow on 482. Now were you
standing up or sitting down?
Mr. NORMAN. I was sitting. I wasn't at all standing up.
Mr. BALL. At the time the President's motorcade went by, how were you
sitting?
Mr. NORMAN. I believe I wasn't on my knees I don't think, but I was in
a hunched over position somewhat like this.
Mr. BALL. Last Friday afternoon, that is March 20, you and Junior
Jarman and Bonnie Ray Williams went up on the fifth floor with me,
didn't you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And a photographer?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And you took a position; did you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What position did you take at the window? First of all, what
did I ask you to do? What position did I ask you to take?
Mr. NORMAN. I believe you told us to take the position that we thought
we were in during the time of the motorcade.
Mr. BALL. And do you recognize this picture, 486? Do you show in the
picture?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; that is myself there.
Mr. BALL. You are sitting there looking out a window. How does that
picture compare with what you remember as to your position when the
President's motorcade went by?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, I don't think--I think I was facing the window more
straight during that time, I mean the motorcade, that I am in this
position here.
Mr. BALL. That picture shows you looking out the window down the
street, is that right?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And this is a picture of Bonnie Ray also, isn't it?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Now you saw the President go by, did you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What happened then?
Mr. NORMAN. About the time that he got past the window where I was,
well, it seems as though he was, I mean you know, brushing his hair.
Maybe he was looking to the public.
Mr. McCLOY. Saluting?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. With which arm?
Mr. NORMAN. I believe it was his right arm, and I can't remember what
the exact time was but I know I heard a shot, and then after I heard
the shot, well, it seems as though the President, you know, slumped or
something, and then another shot and I believe Jarman or someone told
me, he said, "I believe someone is shooting at the President," and I
think I made a statement "It is someone shooting at the President, and
I believe it came from up above us."
Well, I couldn't see at all during the time but I know I heard a third
shot fired, and I could also hear something sounded like the shell
hulls hitting the floor and the ejecting of the rifle, it sounded as
though it was to me.
Mr. BALL. How many shots did you hear?
Mr. NORMAN. Three.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember whether or not you said anything to the men
then as to whether or not you heard anything from above you?
Mr. NORMAN. Only I think I remember saying that I thought I could hear
the shell hulls and the ejection of the rifle. I didn't tell I think I
hear anybody moving, you know.
Mr. BALL. But you thought, do you remember you told the men then that
you thought you heard the ejection of the rifle?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And shells on the floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Falling?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did anybody say anything as to where they thought the shots
came from?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, I don't recall of either one of them saying they
thought where it came from.
Mr. BALL. But you did?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And you said you thought it came from where?
Mr. NORMAN. Above where we were, above us.
Mr. BALL. Did you see any dust or dirt falling?
Mr. NORMAN. I didn't see any falling but I saw some in Bonnie Ray
Williams' hair.
Mr. BALL. Did anybody say anything about it?
Mr. NORMAN. I believe Jarman told him that it was in his hair first.
Then I, you know, told him it was and I believe Jarman told him not to
brush it out his hair but I think he did anyway.
Mr. BALL. After that happened, what did you do?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, we ran to the farthest window facing the expressway.
Mr. BALL. The farthest window, is that right?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. I have here a diagram of this fifth floor.
Mr. McCLOY. May I interrupt there.
Mr. BALL. Go right ahead.
Mr. McCLOY. You spoke about seeing the President sort of slump over
after the first shot?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I believe the first.
Mr. McCLOY. Did you see the President hit on any subsequent shots?
Mr. NORMAN. No; I don't recall seeing that.
Mr. BALL. Here is a diagram of the sixth floor.
Mr. NORMAN. The sixth floor?
Mr. BALL. Of the fifth floor rather, which is Commission's 487, and
this is the southeast corner window. To what window did you and your
two friends run?
Mr. NORMAN. This is the south. This is the window we were in. We came
to this last, I believe it is the next to the last or the last window
on this end here, right here.
Mr. BALL. And the other day when you were up on the fifth floor with a
photographer, you ran to that window, did you?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, we ran to the window, we thought it was the window we
ran to.
Mr. BALL. And you opened that window?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And had your picture taken?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Here is 485. Is that the window as you remembered it that you
ran to?
Mr. NORMAN. I can't say it was that particular window that day but it
was between these two windows here.
Mr. BALL. One of the two windows?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. This is marked Y here on 487, is that correct?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Why did you run down to that window?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, it seems as though everyone else was running towards
the railroad tracks, and we ran over there. Curious to see why
everybody was running that way for. I thought maybe----
Mr. BALL. Did anybody say anything about going up to the sixth floor?
Mr. NORMAN. I don't remember anyone saying about going up to the sixth
floor.
Mr. BALL. Then did you leave that window that you have marked Y on 487?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And you went to what window?
Mr. NORMAN. To the west window.
Mr. BALL. Look on the diagram and tell me what window you went to, as
you remember it?
Mr. NORMAN. It was between this point here, these two right here.
Mr. BALL. That is marked Z?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Is that correct?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did you do when you went to that window?
Mr. NORMAN. I don't remember if we raised the window or not but I
remember looking out the window that day.
Mr. BALL. Here is a picture 489 taken last Friday when you were with me
on that floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Do you show in the picture?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Is that the window you looked out of?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; I believe that is the one.
Mr. BALL. What did you look at when you looked out that window?
Mr. NORMAN. We saw the policeman, and I guess they were detectives,
they were searching the empty cars over there. I remember seeing some
guy on top of them.
Mr. BALL. On top of the cars?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes. They were going through there.
Mr. BALL. You saw police officers searching cars over on the railroad
tracks?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And how long did you stay at that window?
Mr. NORMAN. I don't remember, but it wasn't very long.
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go?
Mr. NORMAN. We ran down to the first floor.
Mr. BALL. As you were at the fifth floor, looking west as shown in
Exhibit No. 489, were you able to see the stairwell?
Mr. NORMAN. No.
Mr. BALL. Why?
Mr. NORMAN. Because there is a row of bins there that prevents you
standing in a position that I was in to keep you from seeing it.
Mr. BALL. There is 492. Does that show the row of bins?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; the row of bins.
Mr. BALL. They block off the stairwell.
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember that we tried an experiment when you were
there by putting you three men in line and then taking a picture to see
if we could see any one of you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. This is a picture 491. That is your picture, isn't it?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Where are you?
Mr. NORMAN. In the middle.
Mr. BALL. And who is that on the end?
Mr. NORMAN. Which end? Oh, this is Bonnie Ray Williams.
Mr. BALL. Who is this one?
Mr. NORMAN. James Jarman.
Mr. BALL. And then a picture, do you remember another picture was
taken, 492?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; I remember that picture.
Mr. BALL. Can you see anyone in that picture?
Mr. NORMAN. I see one person.
Mr. BALL. Can you make him out?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes. I recognize him as James Jarman.
Mr. BALL. Jarman, the one on the end?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Now did you see any police officer come up on that floor?
Mr. NORMAN. I didn't.
Mr. BALL. You didn't.
Mr. NORMAN. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Or did you see Mr. Truly come up?
Mr. NORMAN. No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. BALL. Or did you hear any elevator operator?
Mr. NORMAN. No; I don't recall.
Mr. BALL. Going up or down?
Mr. NORMAN. No, sir; I don't recall anyone.
Mr. BALL. When you were brought to the first floor or when you came to
the first floor how did you go down there?
Mr. NORMAN. We came down the stairway. I remember we came down the
stairway.
Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor did someone talk to you,
police officers?
Mr. NORMAN. I don't remember a police officer talking to me as soon as
we got down there. I don't.
Mr. BALL. Did anyone talk to you later?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Who?
Mr. NORMAN. I guess they were Secret Service men. But I know they
talked to us.
Mr. BALL. Did they take you over to the police station later?
Mr. NORMAN. No; they didn't carry me to the police station.
Mr. BALL. When did you leave the place?
Mr. NORMAN. Oh, I would say somewhere around 2 o'clock, somewhere in
the vicinity of that.
Mr. BALL. Who did you leave with?
Mr. NORMAN. Mr. James Jarman. I can't remember who.
Mr. BALL. From the time that you went down on the first door until you
left the building to go home did you leave the building at all?
Mr. NORMAN. No; I didn't.
Mr. BALL. Where did you stay?
Mr. NORMAN. They kept us on the first floor.
Mr. BALL. You did make a statement later to the Secret Service, didn't
you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. I have here a document 493, which is a copy of a statement
made by this witness, which I now mark 493.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 493, for
identification.)
Mr. BALL. The document that I have here shows the date 4th of December
1963. Do you remember having made a statement to Mr. Carter, Special
Agent of the Secret Service, on that day?
Mr. NORMAN. I can't remember the exact date but I believe I remember
Mr. Carter.
Mr. BALL. I want to call your attention to one part of the statement
and I will ask you if you told him that:
"Just after the President passed by, I heard a shot and several seconds
later I heard two more shots. I knew that the shots had come from
directly above me, and I could hear the expended cartridges fall to
the floor. I could also hear the bolt action of the rifle. I also saw
some dust fall from the ceiling of the fifth floor and I felt sure that
whoever had fired the shots was directly above me."
Did you make that statement to the Secret Service man?
Mr. NORMAN. I don't remember making a statement that I knew the shots
came from directly above us. I didn't make that statement. And I don't
remember saying I heard several seconds later. I merely told him that I
heard three shots because I didn't have any idea what time it was.
Mr. BALL. I see. Did you tell them that you heard the bolt action of
the rifle?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And that you heard the expended cartridges fall to the floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I heard them making a sound.
Mr. BALL. I would like to offer this into evidence.
Mr. McCLOY. It may be admitted.
(The document referred to, heretofore identified as Commission Exhibit
No. 493 for identification, was received in evidence.)
Mr. McCLOY. You used the expression you heard the ejection. This refers
to the bolt action?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. McCLOY. Those are the same things?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; that is what I mean.
Mr. McCLOY. That is what you meant by that?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What language did you use when you talked to the Secret
Service man, do you know? Did you say you heard the ejection or that
you heard the bolt action? Which did you use?
Mr. NORMAN. I probably said the ejection.
Mr. BALL. That is what you think you said?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. The same thing you said here?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember Friday that we conducted an experiment to see
whether or not you could hear?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. From the sixth floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And where did you put yourself in order to conduct the
experiment?
Mr. NORMAN. In the same window. I may not have been in the same
position but I was in the same window.
Mr. BALL. The same window?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And that window was open?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And the window, was the window on the sixth floor also open?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; they told me it was open. I didn't see it.
Mr. BALL. And a Secret Service man went upstairs with a rifle, didn't
he?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did you hear on the fifth floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, I heard the same sound, the sound similar. I heard
three something that he dropped on the floor and then I could hear the
rifle or whatever he had up there.
Mr. BALL. You could hear the rifle, the sound of an ejection?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear the sound of the bolt going back and forth?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; I sure did.
Mr. BALL. You could hear it clearly, could you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Now there has been a new floor put in on the sixth floor,
hasn't there?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. The day that you were there on November 22, what was the
condition of the ceiling and the floor of the sixth floor?
Mr. NORMAN. I would say that you could see daylight through there
because during the times they put the plywood down you can see the
plywood, some portion of the plywood, so I would say you could see a
little daylight during that time.
Mr. BALL. When you were there Friday afternoon, did you look up at the
ceiling from where you were sitting at the southeast window on the
fifth floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What could you see on the ceiling?
Mr. NORMAN. There was one place I could see the plywood and then
another place you could still see a little daylight, I mean peering
through the crack.
Mr. BALL. What about the joint where the upper floor or the floor of
the sixth and ceiling of the fifth floor comes against the wall. Could
you see daylight through there?
Mr. NORMAN. Against the wall?
Mr. BALL. Yes.
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; in one place you could see a small amount of daylight.
Mr. BALL. Now the day of the experiment last Friday when you heard the
cartridges eject, the bolt action and the cartridges ejecting----
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Was there any noise outside?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; there was.
Mr. BALL. What was it?
Mr. NORMAN. There was a train and there were trucks and cars.
Mr. BALL. Was there more noise or less noise on the day you conducted
the experiment last Friday, March 20, than on November 22, at 12:30?
Mr. NORMAN. It was more noise last Friday than it was November 22.
Mr. BALL. Was there any train going by on November 22?
Mr. NORMAN. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Were there any trucks going by on November 22?
Mr. NORMAN. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. I have no further questions.
Mr. McCLOY. How did you get your job at the Texas School Book
Depository?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, as I remember the time that I told you before I used
to live in Salina and washing cars at the Chevrolet company I had a
friend that lived in Dallas and he was working down there, and he told
me that he thought that I could get a job down there, and that is how I
got familiar with the place. I did go by there and Mr. Truly gave me a
job.
Mr. McCLOY. Were you getting better pay there than you had at your
former job?
Mr. NORMAN. At the Chevrolet company?
Mr. McCLOY. Yes.
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; I was getting better pay there.
Mr. McCLOY. Do you have any rough recollection of the amount of time
that passed between the time you heard the first shot and when you ran
down to the west end of the building and looked out the window there
and the time when you left the fifth floor and finally came down to the
first floor where the police officers were? Can you give me a general
estimate of about how much time that took?
Mr. NORMAN. To come down from the fifth floor?
Mr. McCLOY. Yes. From the time you first heard the shot and saw what
was going on in the motorcade and then ran down toward the western end
of the building and then as I understand your testimony, you left there
and went down to the--did you go down to the fourth floor first or did
you go all the way down?
Mr. NORMAN. I believe we went all the way.
Mr. McCLOY. Until you got down to the first floor, how much would you
say was the entire length of that time, from the first shot until you
got down on the first floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Oh, I would say somewhere between 10 or 15 minutes,
somewhere like that.
Mr. McCLOY. I don't think I have any other questions.
Mr. BALL. I have one question.
On the 26th of November, an FBI agent named Kreutzer advises us in a
report that he talked to you. Do you remember that?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You remember?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I remember talking to him. I don't know his name.
Mr. BALL. He reports that you told him that you heard a shot and that
you stuck your head from the window and looked upward toward the roof
but could see nothing because small particles of dirt were falling from
above you. Did you tell him that?
Mr. NORMAN. I don't recall telling him that.
Mr. BALL. Did you ever put your head out the window?
Mr. NORMAN. No, sir; I don't remember ever putting my head out the
window.
Mr. BALL. And he reports that you stated that two additional shots
were fired after you pulled your head back in from the window. Do you
remember telling him that?
Mr. NORMAN. No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BALL. I have no further questions.
Mr. McCLOY. Have you ever had any difficulty with the law? Have you
ever been convicted of a crime?
Mr. NORMAN. No, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. At the time after you heard the shots, did you have any
thought that you might run upstairs and see if anybody was up there
where the shots were coming from there?
Mr. NORMAN. No, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. Did you feel that it might be dangerous to go upstairs?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. You testified that you had not seen Oswald except this one
occasion in the morning. Did you hear any of your friends or coworkers
say whether they had seen Oswald on that morning?