Mrs. PAINE. I am not familiar with that name, and I never heard it.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. Teofil Meller?
Mrs. PAINE. I am not familiar with that name.
Mr. JENNER. Lydia Dymitruk?
Mrs. PAINE. I met a Lydia who was working as a clerk at a grocery store
in Irving, and I had met Marina previously. I am not certain of her
last name. I am certain that Marina told me not to learn Russian from
her, it was not grammatical.
Mr. JENNER. I see.
By the way, did Marina go out by herself occasionally and shop?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. and Mrs. Daniel F. Sullivan?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't know that name.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. and Mrs. Alan A. Jackson III?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't know that name.
Mr. JENNER. Peter Gregory?
Mrs. PAINE. I know that name; yes. That name was mentioned by, to the
best of my recollection first in my presence by, Marguerite Oswald, who
told us that she had just started at the police when I first met her----
Mr. JENNER. I would like that. The first time there came to your
attention and your consciousness the name Peter Gregory was when
Marguerite Oswald mentioned it at the police station on the 22d of
November 1963, is that correct?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; because she had just begun a course of study with him
in order to try to learn the Russian language at the public library.
Mr. JENNER. She so said?
Mrs. PAINE. She so said. I don't recall having heard the name
previously. Although I am not certain.
Mr. JENNER. Paul Gregory.
Mrs. PAINE. I would be absolutely certain I had never heard the name
from either of the Oswalds.
Mr. JENNER. All right. Is that likewise true of Paul Gregory who is the
son I may tell you of Peter Gregory?
Mrs. PAINE. I am not familiar with that name.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. and Mrs., I know you are familiar with this name, Mr.
and Mrs. Declan Ford. When did you first hear of the name of those
people with respect to November 22, 1963, before or after or on that
very day?
Mrs. PAINE. Mrs. Ford was mentioned to me by name by Marina in the fall
of 1963 before the time of the assassination. Marina described to me a
party at Mrs. Ford's home, and described the decor of the house and how
much she admired Mrs. Ford's tastes, and said that Mrs. Ford had done
most of the decorating herself.
Let me just say Marina also told me she had stayed at someone's home in
the fall of 1962, but she did not tell me the name of Mrs. Ford in that
connection. It came up in this other connection. It is only since the
assassination that I learned she had stayed briefly at Mrs. Ford's.
Mr. JENNER. I see.
That is the extent of your information with respect to the Fords at
least up to November 22?
Mrs. PAINE. Up to the time of the assassination that is the extent of
it.
Mr. JENNER. I wish to be certain of this and I don't recall whether I
asked you and, therefore, I will risk repetition.
Did Marina and Lee, with you or even without you, visit any people, to
your knowledge, while Marina was living with you in the fall of 1963,
just social visit, go out and make a social visit?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. I meant to include whether either together as a couple or
separately.
Mrs. PAINE. I recall no such visit.
Mr. JENNER. I think your testimony was when Lee Oswald came home on the
weekends, from what you have described he remained on the premises?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. With the possible exception of one instance when he went
off and bought some groceries or am I wrong about that exception?
Mrs. PAINE. He went with my children to buy some popsicles while I was
teaching a student, so I was not at home that time.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
We have a report, Mrs. Paine, and you might help us with it on this
subject, of a barber in your community, who recounts to the FBI that
in his opinion Lee Harvey Oswald or what he thinks a gentleman who was
that man, came to his shop reasonably regularly and had a haircut on
Saturday, on Saturdays, and accompanying him was what he judged to be a
14-year-old boy. Do you recall Lee Oswald ever obtaining a haircut over
any weekend while he was at your home?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. To the best of your recollection, subject to his being off
the premises while you were away shopping, it is your present firm
recollection he never left the premises once he arrived, save this one
instance that you knew of when he went to get popsicles?
Mrs. PAINE. Of course, I was away during that instance.
Mr. JENNER. You were?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. But you anticipated?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Now, the morning of the 11th of November I was not
home from something before 9 o'clock until about 2 that afternoon. I
don't know what transpired during that time.
Mr. JENNER. Were there other occasions when you were off ministering to
your children, that is taking them to the dentist or something of that
nature, on a Saturday or to church on Sunday or to the local park on
Sunday, that Lee Oswald may have been, that is periods of time when you
would not have known whether he was on or off your premises?
Mrs. PAINE. I can think only of grocery shopping which would have been
an hour to an hour and a half period, and the two times that I can
recall in the Saturday afternoon, on a Saturday afternoon that I went
to Dallas to teach one Russian student a lesson. I can't think of any
other spaces of time, hours that I was away.