Mrs. PAINE. You must remember I was shopping when he arrived on the
afternoon of the 4th.
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mrs. PAINE. So I didn't see him when he arrived that moment.
Mr. JENNER. But you do have a recollection of having seen the zipper
bag on Monday?
Mrs. PAINE. The 7th.
Mr. JENNER. When you took him to the bus terminal for the purpose of
his returning to downtown Dallas?
Mrs. PAINE. To find a room and live there and have sufficient clothing
there.
That is my best recollection.
Mr. JENNER. Is that the first time you had seen the zipper bag?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. From the time you had left New Orleans on the 23d?
Mrs. PAINE. So far as I recall.
Mr. JENNER. Did you notice anything else in the way of pieces of
luggage in your home after you came back from the shopping center that
afternoon of October 4th that hadn't been there prior to his arrival?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. The only piece of luggage of which you have any
recollection then is the zipper bag which you saw him take with him
when he left on Monday morning, the 7th?
Mrs. PAINE. And that is, I would not say a certain recollection. But
that is the best I have.
Mr. JENNER. It is your best recollection anyhow?
Mrs PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Now, when you returned to your home did you have any
discussion with Marina about Lee's departure and his future plans and
her understanding of them?
Mrs. PAINE. No; nothing I recall specifically.
Mr. JENNER. None at all.
What discussion went on between you and Marina, that is the subject
matter with respect to his weekend visits?
Mrs. PAINE. She wanted to be certain it was all right for him to come
out, you know that it wasn't too much of an imposition on me. We got
into discussing his efforts to find a job. Then Monday, the 14th as
best as I recall, was the first time we talked about him, more than to
say it was too bad he didn't find something. This is the----
Mr. JENNER. During the course of the week was there discussion between
you and Marina respecting Lee Oswald's attempt at employment?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. Now, there came an occasion, did there not, that weekend or
the following weekend at which there was a discussion at least by you
with some neighbors with respect to efforts to obtain employment for
Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mrs. PAINE. As best I can reconstruct it this was, while having coffee
at my immediate neighbors, Mrs. Ed Roberts, and also present was Mrs.
Bill Randle, and Lee had said over the weekend that he had gotten the
last of the unemployment compensation checks that were due him, and
that it had been smaller than the others had been, and disappointing in
its smallness and he looked very discouraged when he went to look for
work.
Mr. JENNER. Did he say anything about amount?
Mrs. PAINE. I didn't hear the question.
Mr. JENNER. Did he say anything about amount?
Mrs. PAINE. No; he didn't, just less.
Mr. JENNER. All right.
Mrs. PAINE. And the subject of his looking for work and that he hadn't
found work for a week, came up while we were having coffee, the four
young mothers at Mrs. Roberts' house, and Mrs. Randle mentioned that
her younger brother, Wesley Frazier thought they needed another person
at the Texas School Book Depository where Wesley worked.
Marina then asked me, after we had gone home, asked me if I would
call----
Mr. JENNER. Was Marina present during this discussion?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; Marina was present, yes, indeed.
Mr. JENNER. Did she understand the conversation?
Mrs. PAINE. It was a running translation, running, faulty translation
going on.
Mr. JENNER. You were translating for her?
Mrs. PAINE. I was acting as her translator. And then after we came
home she asked me if I would call the School Book Depository to see if
indeed there was the possibility of an opening, and at her request, I
did telephone----
Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, please.
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. While you were still in the Roberts' home was there any
discussion at all of the subject mentioned by you or by Mrs. Randle
or Mrs. Roberts or anyone else, of calls to be made, or that might be
made, to the Texas School Book Depository in this connection?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall this discussion. As I recall it was a
suggestion made by Marina to me after we got home, but I may be wrong.
Mr. JENNER. But that is your best recollection that you are now
testifying to?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Is that correct?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. You reached home and Marina suggested that "Would you
please call the Texas School Depository?"
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. What did you do?
Mrs. PAINE. I looked up the number in the book, and dialed it, was told
I would need to speak to Mr. Truly, who was at the warehouse. The phone
was taken to Mr. Truly, and I talked with him and said----
Mr. JENNER. You mean the call was transferred by the operator?
Mrs. PAINE. To Mr. Truly, and I said I know of a young man whose wife
was staying in my house, the wife was expecting a child, they already
had a little girl and he had been out of work for a while and was
very interested in getting any employment and his name, and was there
a possibility of an opening there, and Mr. Truly said he didn't know
whether he had an opening, that the young man should apply himself in
person.
Mr. JENNER. Which made sense.
Mrs. PAINE. Made very good sense for a personnel man to say.
Mr. JENNER. Did you make more than one call to this Texas School Book
Depository?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. Only the one?
Mrs. PAINE. Only the one.
Mr. JENNER. What was the date of this call?
Mrs. PAINE. Reconstructing it, I believe it was October 14.
Mr. JENNER. What day of the week is October 14?
Mrs. PAINE. It is a Monday.
Mr. JENNER. Following that call and your talking with Mr. Truly, what
did you do?
Mrs. PAINE. Began to get dinner. Then Lee call the house.
Mr. JENNER. In the evening?
Mrs. PAINE. In the early evening.
Mr. JENNER. Did you talk with him?
Mrs. PAINE. Marina talked with him, then asked--then Marina asked me
to tell Lee in English what had transpired regarding the possible
job opening, and then I did say that there might be an opening in the
School Book Depository, that Mr. Truly was the man to apply to. Shall I
go on?
Mr. JENNER. Yes.