Perry McGee

*Interview with Perry McGee,*

*Festus, Missouri.*

_Perry Is Right At 87_

"I was born near Fayette, Missouri, not far from New Florence on

September 2, 1850. Dat makes me right at 87 years old. My father's name

was Stephen Estol and Mother's was Agnes Swiney. My grandfather's name

was Albert McGee and he was borned in Virginia. He was a carpenter. My

grandmother's name was Emily and she was a slave in Glasgow, Howard

County, Missouri. I was born just three miles northwest of Glasgow. My

boss den is now a banker in Kansas City. His name is James Alwald

Swiney. Once he was a preacher in St. Louis and I saw him preachin' dere

once. He seen me going along de street one day. I never would have

knowed him, only he said: 'Hey boy, where you from? Where did you hail

from?' I said: 'I hails from Howard County.' He said: 'Come in.'

"I went in and stayed dere mighty near all day and ate dinner with dem.

He come out on de porch and told me not to call him master but to call

him Mr. Swiney. We talked all evening and he told me to be a good boy

and to be truthful.

"You know Abraham Lincoln offered $300 a head before de war for all de

slaves but de people would not sell any more dan you would cut your

shade tree down in your yard. So dey elected Jefferson Davis President.

A man by de name of Grigsby was a slave buyer. It was like you would

want a hog or cow and dey would put slaves on de block and 'cry them

off'. You have got to make profit on de deal. A good strong man would

sell for $300 and some for $100. A house slave was worth more dan a

field slave.

"Dey wouldn't sell my mother. De old mistress would not allow my mother

to be sold. I had only one sister and two brothers. One brother died

when I was a baby. De Rebel soldiers taken me. I was a waiter. When

Price's raid come they took me off de farm. After dey left Pilot Knob

dey come up through Missouri and fired on Glasgow and only 900 militia

and regular soldiers could not fight 90,000 rebels. So dese 900 ran and

blew up de powder magazine and it sounded just like thunder and looked

like a black cloud. De rebels went on across de river and said dey was

going to make de niggers smell hell. De soldier said, 'Hey, little

nigger, we want you to go with us and wait on de Captain.' I was light

as a feather almost and dey boosted me up on a horse behind one of de

soldiers and took me to Glasgow to a eatin' place. Dey had hard tack

made without any salt or any shortnin' about em. There was plenty

springs up there. I had to clean off de horse, and played marbles and

turned handsprings and dey had me for a monkey. I could walk on my

hands. Lots of times dey would chip in and pay me a little. When I left

and was free I had $18 in nickels and dimes and had only one piece as

big as a quarter. I was as 'fraid of a Union soldier as of a rattle

snake. Horace Swiney come to town and begged de soldiers to let me come

back so he brought me back on his horse. I was in Glasgow about three

days.

"One day young Swiney come out and told us we was free and for us to

call him Mr. Swiney and not master. Dere was only one colored family who

left the farm here of 800 acres. All de rest of us stayed right dere. He

had about 70 slaves. De old man made a talk and said dey was plenty of

land dere and we could all stay and work as we had been. After de

freedom dey paid me 10 cents a day or $3 a month and board. Man, I done

everything. I carried water on my head. See! my head is flat and I ain't

got no sense. I had to carry water in 'piggins', something like a well

bucket with one handle so you could catch it with one hand and set it up

on your head. Dese buckets was made out of wood on de place dere by a

good carpenter. De piggins would hold 2 gallons of water.

"I've had 12 children and I was married 55 years when my wife died. I

only got 6 children livin' now, 4 boys and 2 girls. One of my girls,

Alice, is a teacher in de college in St. Louis. She went to four

colleges, at Champaign, Illinois; Lincoln University, Jefferson City;

University of Chicago and at Honolulu University where she is dis

summer. She has been teaching about 5 or 6 years. She teaches geography

and mathematics. I went naked, barefooted, and hungry and send my

daughter to school. She went to grade school right here in Festus. Alice

is 42 now and she wants to marry and have four children. Bessie is my

other daughter, and she has taught school for 18 years. She is a

graduate of Lincoln University and taught at Cape Girardeau 4 years, at

Lost Creek in Washington County 2 years, in Festus for 6 years, and in

Appleton, Missouri, too. Bessie is married now and she don't have any

children. I stays right here with her.

"My son, Granville McGee, lives in St. Paul, Minnesota, and works on de

Northern Pacific Railroad and is a waiter between Chicago and Seattle.

He's been with dem 17 years. His is a six day run and he has 6 children.

Another son, W.C. McGee, lives in Lansing, Michigan. He is a Democrat.

When de Democrats is in power I is a Democrat and when de Republicans is

in power I'se a Republican. Dat's de way it generally goes. My son up in

Lansing is editor of the Lansing Eye Opener, and has been editor for

several years. He is another one who had a pretty good education and is

a graduate of Lincoln University, too. He was a porter for a railroad

before he was a editor. You got to have a pretty fair education to be a

porter now. My oldest son, 61, lives in Rockford, Illinois. He was born

in Crystal City and when he was here he was an inspector in de sand

mines. He is a furnace man over at Rockford in a glass factory. He has

been working for de glass company ever since he was big enough to walk.

He is married and has one child. My son, Oscar, is a railroader and

lives in St. Louis and is a porter on a train what runs between St.

Louis and down in Mexico. He is married and has no children and never

will have none. His wife had a accident.

"After I was free I come to St. Louis and done a little of everything

and worked for my step-father and worked harder for him dan for my

master. I sawed wood and drove a cart. We had a coal and wood yard. I

did not get paid but could eat. I worked for him until one day I met my

father's sister on de street and she asked me some questions on Morgan

Street in St. Louis.

"Den I went with Uncle Jim McGee to live and he took me down to

Greenville, Mississippi and picked cotton and worked as a porter at de

hotel dere. I got $12 a month and board. I didn't stay down dere very

long and come back to St. Louis and worked at Billing's Bank dat was a

saloon and was paid $18 a month and made extra about $25 on tips. I

worked for him for about two years plumb 'till I come down in Jefferson

County. I worked 30 years over in the plate glass factory in Crystal

City and had to quit dere on account of my eyes. I was firing in de

furnace. I sometimes made $4 a day and board at de factory. Den I worked

for 27 years for de Festus Mercantile Company and done a little bit of

everything. I gets $11 a month now as an old age pension.

"I was 21 or 2 when I first voted. My first vote was for U.S. Grant for

President at Hematite, Missouri. My last vote was for F.D. Roosevelt.

Lots of dem wanted to pay me to vote a certain way but I never paid any

attention to dem. I'm a Democrat now. I don't think a man ought to be

allowed to vote unless dey know what dey doin'.

"I'se went to school only three days in my life. De missus learned me my

A, B, C's and all de rest I learned myself. I paid $1.50 a month to go

to night school in St. Louis for three months and learned to read and

spell, but I just can't write. If I had de chance dat de young folks

have now I would go as high as you could go. I can talk some German

'cause I worked for a Dutchman once. De young generation of colored

people ain't goin' to amount to nothin'. Dey don't want to work, but one

out of a thousand might do something. Dey all think dey know too much

and don't want to learn no more. My other boys will never know what my

son knows. De young ones don't appreciate their advantages. Booker T.

Washington had a hard time. We will never have no more like him. Some of

de slave holders treated de slaves better than dey is today. De young

generation is about at their best now. Dey think too much about their

pleasure. Dey don't have enough work to do. I used to work 16 hours a

day. Now dey is got it down to 6 hours a day. I think it was good for

some of de colored people to be slaves.

"I think it would be better if some of the ones now were slaves and it

would teach dem to work. My young mistress treated me good and I went

with her right behind a horse called Andrew. She thought a heap of me

and I thought a heap of her.

"Dere ain't but two classes of people, good and bad, and dey been tryin'

to separate de black people from de white people but de line has already

been cut. Colored women is havin' white children. I think dat is wrong.

Dey ought not to mix dem up, but I ain't goin' to try to separate 'em.

Dat is de reason I voted for de Lincoln Bill. If people do wrong let 'em

be punished accordin' to law no matter what color.

"Slavery hurt de men who owned de slaves. De Negro was only de shade

tree. De master would set back in de shade and tell de Negro what to do.

I hear so many say, 'I'm free!' But there is only one person who is free

and he or she is de one dat God has set free. God set forth in de heart

of Abraham Lincoln dat every man should earn his bread by de sweat of

his brow. Man is his own free agent. De masters measured out bad measure

and dey got worser in de end dan de slaves.

"What is ruinin' dis country is de love for money. God is goin' to rule

dis world."

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